2 years. no joke. I mean if you are not interested in bringing it back just say so! If you are truly happy with the automated system by all means, make it permanent. But don't tell us that the Tribunal is being revamped if it isn't! Whats the point?
If you are working on it give us updates, please!
Totalis19 votesI really miss the tribunal, Maybe it was just me, but I felt it was a great way to catch and punish toxic people and trolls. It also made me feel like they were actually getting punished too when i got updated to see how the case I tried resulted
HighH19 votesAlso the laughs. So much things said in the Tribunal was pure gold. Sometimes toxic as hell like
29:43 Brand: yes he ks me but when i first attck and i become the kill its not ks you are a kid and 12 years old in know 30:13 Corki: says you who has no cock 30:22 Corki: penis*
Gotten from a website where you can see tribunal logs from a guy who kept 10K of them
SkyBlade793 votesCan I get a link to that website?
Bwanga5 votesI recently got banned for 2 weeks for replying (in colorful words) to 2 arranged players harassing the rest of the team for a solid 15 minutes before I said anything. I'm a software engineer, and I'm all for automation, but do it right. Not saying it's easy, but use a system that works until you have an automated system that can actually work appropriately with little to no margin of error. I mean if i keep getting banned, eventually it will be permanent, for a couple simple retorts to someone harassing me after enough games, you guys will lose a member who pays frequently, and I'm 100% positive im not the only one in this situation.
Bring the tribunal back and offer ip boosts for spending time on there when there is an influx. There are plenty of cheap efficient work arounds for the tribunal to work where this system is failing miserably.
UrPalAl2 votesThen don't use that "colorful" language of yours. The other person often feeds off your anger anyways.
Just report, and move on. It's as simple as that.
CIit Yeastwood1 votes"Don't dare say anything to defend yourself or the other innocent people just wanting to play a game. This is a safe zone, and if you dare say anything to the tawts, you will be banned while they continue their toxic rages every game."
Got it.
UrPalAl1 votesWell they get banned if you just report them, I've gotten multiple people banned in the past. Here's the thing, responding to them just feeds them more, which increases the toxicity in the game, making you part of the problem.
Here is a simple solution: Mute, report, move on.
Also, the more successful reports you make, the more that your report is worth, so it gets to the point where you can ban people pretty easily.
Live2LetDie4 votesI mean, technically they are still working on it with the automated system.
Still, there is no way that the old tribunal could ever be implemented. The player base is to large to have human interaction like that.
Aerothal45 votesit worked just fine before they took it down. The playerbase was already huge 2 years ago and there was never a huge tribunal backlog. I prefer human judgement over a machine picking keywords. What if there are 5 friends joking around in chat? a machine doesnt know that. A human can detect wordplay, interaction, irony, jokes, teasing etc... there is no substitute to the tribunal.
Live2LetDie2 votesit worked just fine before they took it down. The playerbase was already huge 2 years ago and there was never a huge tribunal backlog. I prefer human judgement over a machine picking keywords. What if there are 5 friends joking around in chat? a machine doesnt know that. A human can detect wordplay, interaction, irony, jokes, teasing etc... there is no substitute to the tribunal.
The game has grown exponentially since s3-4. I did the math in a post, you can dig if you like, if .01% of the playerbass had a report it would take 31 days of 24/7 work to get through them.
Aerothal10 votesyes, and if 5 - 10% of the playerbase would do a case once in a while it would work out just fine. and no i didn't do the math. I still prefer real people to judge my words in context, rather than a machine checking for keywords.
UrPalAl2 votesIF IF IF Is all I fucking hear, I don't want "IF", I want something that works, the automated system is fine, the tribunal is not. That's all I need to know.
Aerothal1 voteswhat do you know about the tribunal? were you playing when it was still active? did you do cases? i was and i did. The tribunal was better than the automated system. the automated system was supposed to be a supplement and the tribunal was supposed to be reworked. many times when i was going to check out cases there were non because ppl had gone through them all. You talk without background knowledge.
Silents42911 votesI'm curious, but how do you know it was actually working just fine? Like where is the proof tribunal was the best solution?
The playerbase was already huge 2 years ago and there was never a huge tribunal backlog.
You don't know that.
What if there are 5 friends joking around in chat? a machine doesnt know that.
It actually does. It isn't as binary as "Person B said fuck several times, ban Person B" It takes into account reports being made, and past games, it will figure out playful banter between friends.
I prefer human judgement over a machine picking keywords.
Talk to the average person and you will quickly realize how much you don't want a human making judgement.
EboybiterKDA5 votesI'm curious, but how do you know it was actually working just fine? Like where is the proof tribunal was the best solution? You don't know that. a machine doesnt know that.
It actually does. It isn't as binary as "Person B said fuck several times, ban Person B" It takes into account reports being made, and past games, it will figure out playful banter between friends.
Talk to the average person and you will quickly realize how much you don't want a human making judgement.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/champions/userName=eboybiterkda
my 100's of games of throwing is proof that tribunal would be a good solution to counter me.
but as of now, the system detects me as a "legal player". TY
Silents4293 votesThat doesn't prove it would work better.
EboybiterKDA5 votesThat doesn't prove it would work better.
no but it means whatever they have sucks ass and i love it so that ppl like me and nunu get away with it. thanks buddy for supporting their ban system.
Silents4292 votesYou are flaunting that you break the rules and getting praise for it, these are the type of people that would be judging others.
The people I'd find reasonable to judge someone would have had you downvoted for this.
You are not proving anything because you are 1 slipping through the system, Just because it doesn't affect you does not mean it isn't affecting millions of others.
EboybiterKDA1 votes"You are not proving anything because you are 1 slipping through the system"
thing is I am not ONE slipping through the system. each game counts as one. and I have 100's of games I trolled. that's 100's of instances slipping through the ban system. plus this nunu is on a hot streak of trolling as well which provides us with another bunch of cases slipping through the system.
sorry kid,the people getting affected are the ones i troll every game (9 ppl per game... over 100 games... thats more or less 900). again, ty for supporting the system that has allowed me to wreck around 900 users, 100's of RANKED games.
the proof is in my stats bud http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=eboybiterkda
hold that ;)
Anidan1 votesunrelated to automated v. tribunal, your case sounds like the most sound I've seen in a very long time that I'd use to support a stance favoring full-on IP bans, among other things.
EboybiterKDA1 votesfull on ip bans rofl. seems like you are new to gaming.
ip bans can be dodged. perhaps you were talking about range-ip bans? in which case it could still be banned by people that know their way around it.
secondly ip bans hurt everyone using that network... ie if i play only at a internet cafe and get banned, than all other customers that go play at the internet cafe won't be able to play league of legends. similairly if one student gets banned, the entire college campus might not be able to play.
we don't need your bad suggestions anidan, riot already has a good dose of unhealthy suggestions within its company.
Anidan1 votesYes, because I was totally being serious about IP bans. As if anyone who has any sense ever has been.
Though, the fact you replied to this in earnest does have me laughing, if that's any consolation.
EboybiterKDA1 votesknowing how unintelligent most people are in NA, i had to make sure you werent being serious.
after all 100's of games of trolling and not a ban... my expectations of intelligence can not be high can it? guess i have the last laugh HAHAHAHAHHAHAH
Anidan1 votesI have to admit, you've got a point there. Unfortunately, it's not the players who get to determine who gets to be banned and who doesn't, so it is hard to properly gauge intelligence off that metric alone. The system is outright ridiculous right now, and it allows a lot of problems to leave unscathed for no reason other than the system isn't advanced enough to pick up on it. Things like the Nunu following around his jungler and devouring/smiting the jungler's creeps, for instance. The system would likely just ignore it for an overly long time because they see the Nunu isn't inactive, he's gaining CS, he's gaining levels, he's doing something off-meta which isn't reportable or ban-worthy; by all measures it looks like he could actually be a contributing member of the team, until you actually look at the game in more depth, or are part of the game itself.
Granted, the Nunu case would likely eventually be caught by the automated system, but it'd take it a while. Other ways of going about it are usually more clever or deceptive, intent on throwing the system itself off rather than just idle trolling. Incidentally, though, the Nunu case would probably be even harder for the Tribunal to punish because it didn't give you much evidence beyond chat logs, KDA and game time, and if you've ever done the Tribunal cases, you'd know that people like to lie about the activities of people they don't like so they can build a false case against them. Particularly effective if they have friends on their team for a sense of the entire team acknowledging the trolling (that isn't even happening).
Nilok1 votesI... don't know if I want to give you an upvote or not...
KarKzz4 votesYeah, humans are TERRIBLE at making judgement.
63536895_DEL21 votesYeah, humans are TERRIBLE at making judgement.
begs to differ.
Nilok1 votesBetter than computers.
Once we have Smart AIs or Artificial General Intelligence, computers will stop acting like the dumbest things in the universe that can still do math. However, it will be a whole other can of worms then.
KarKzz1 votesComputers don't makes judgements. They do the thing they are asked for. The one programming the bot does.
Nilok1 votesThat is kind of the problem, programs have no comprehension or understanding, just hard set rules they will follow to self-destruction. Punishments that are not based on banned third party programs are inherently flawed as they rely on community social norms and human social values. Without being able to understand those norms and values, they will continue to be oblivious to, for a human, an obvious abuse case.
Decrit2 votesit worked just fine before they took it down.
no. no it did not. it was slow as hell.
IreliaCarrlesU3 votesit was slow, but effective, with the computerized system, u can troll 100s of games so long as u remain silent the whole time.
nunu takes smite when u jungle, he follows u, smites every camp u try to get, he says nothing, so the system has nothing to look at except you being mad.
humans? they would of looked thru his last 5 games, and if someone else complained about it, he would of been punished, but a computer doesn't know, and wont make the inferences to punish him
Decrit3 votesactually the computerized system recognizes that too. The computer does not analize chat logs only, i thought that was clear enough.
Also, with the increasing numbers of players, it would have been hella hard to find people good enough to properly evaluate everyone, so it was not futureproof either.
To further clarify this, the example you posted would be hardly punishable by a tribunal because a tribunal would not have all the information - for its own structure, a system like that could not give every information possible to the players. The actual mechanized system can.
The new tribunal, in fact, won' t decide if someone is banworthy or not, rather it will help set the community standards for what to ban.
League of Potato4 votesTo further clarify this, the example you posted would be hardly punishable by a tribunal because a tribunal would not have all the information - for its own structure, a system like that could not give every information possible to the players. The actual mechanized system can.
THIS
All of you arguing against the automated system thinking that a human perspective would be better, obviously never took part in the actual tribunal. All they gave you were the in-game chat logs. That's it, you didn't watch the game (because 1, that would take forever, and 2, they would have to record every single game of league at all times...which..no that would be ridiculous), you didn't see the pregame chat, or the post-game chat. You weren't there to ban trolls, you were there to punish toxic players beyond a reasonable doubt that they were actually toxic. And guess what, the community failed at that too. 99% of the reports went through to be punished, and it wasn't based on the fact of whether or not they were actually guilty, it was because most of the people that took part in the tribunal, weren't actually taking it seriously.
I would love for the tribunal to come back, however, with how toxic a big part of the community actually is, I don't think it ever will. A machine will always be more logical than most humans when it comes to banning fairly, and justly. Over the 1000s of reports I judged back when the tribunal was live, only a handful made it out without being punished (even when some of them should have), and hundreds that should have been dismissed as false reports, went through to be punished. That's something a machine would avoid.
Decrit2 votesAlso, if a Tribunal were to give a player the same information that the machine uses, said player would never manage to get past many reports: there must be a limit on the information displayed to the player, or else this one does not have time or patience to assess the situation properly. This is very dangerous and is a power that should be used carefully.
This said, it' s not said that the tribunal was worthless or that did not give some interesting experiences. If i were ever to see a tribunal again it would be to show and criticize punishable examples, rather to manually punish every borderline behavior. Basically to set some community standards, like acknowledging that calling someone "a son of a kitten" is bad.
It Hertz When IP4 votesSo blend the two. Easy cases get handled by the automated system, but if someone is reported without any readily detectable issue, send it to the Tribunal. Bulk of the workload is still automated, but the weirder/judgment-required cases are judged by players.
Ivor The Ranger4 votes[{quoted}](name=Darien Juranas,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=jqEJ5PAX,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2016-02-24T14:18:35.795+0000)
So blend the two. Easy cases get handled by the automated system, but if someone is reported without any readily detectable issue, send it to the Tribunal. Bulk of the workload is still automated, but the weirder/judgment-required cases are judged by players.
Like an appellate court. I like it [slayer-jinx-wink]
Palmeiras SerieB4 votesThe tribunal shall not back, Riot does not want to bring it back
Thanks Tencent
HighH14 votesThere's actually a site where you can check 10K cases from the tribunal. Some things said on it were pure gold.
IreliaCarrlesU9 votesTeemo: heal
Teemo: Heal plz
Teemo: WTF HEAL ME
Akali: i don't have a heal u fucking moron.
Teemo: fake ass nurse skin.
Retillin2 votesHoly shit that is gold!
Downfall4 votesA friendly reminder: CAPS LOCK IS FRIENDLY I PROMISE :)
Rakvir3 votesThe other night, I had someone arguing, completely 100% convinced that the Tribunal system was still in place as we formerly knew it.
I just left thinking, "man, even a Slowpoke meme is Speedy Gonzales to this guy".
Oelyk2 votesI used to be an active tribunal voter.. now I feel old.
