Wouldn't it be fun if bronze wasn't the bottom tier but something you have to earn?

Aerothal·1/26/2015, 8:10:12 PM·39 votes·6,846 views

I am thinking, why would you even make a bottom tier? I believe that there should be a threshold to conquer, which lets you into bronze. Something like 800 mmr (or better yet, 1249, like it was in Season 2) And to get into bronze you would have to win 3/5 promos! That sounds fair to me and it would make the bronze plaque a little more meaningful.

any thoughts?

edit: We need to get away from the "participation reward" mindset.

73 Comments

DrCyanide1/26/2015, 8:49:25 PM13 votes

"Gold, Silver, Bronze" has typically ment "1st, 2nd, 3rd" in other places (such as the Olympics). I find it odd that Bronze in many video game ranking systems is the bottom of the barrel. Fail out, and you still get a metal. It's the equivalent of a star shaped sticker, which is why it looses meaning.

Honestly, saying "you didn't qualify for one of the leagues, please practice more and try again later" might be a better option.

Just Jangle1/26/2015, 8:11:56 PM13 votes

Back in Season 1 was like that, being Bronze actually ment something.

Like being bronze in that time says that you were a bad player but most players were below 900 MMR which was the MMR required to be a bronzie.

Now if you are bronze it only means that you are trash in this game.

Wint3rSoldi3r1/26/2015, 9:42:52 PM5 votes

I agree it would be a good idea. Unfortunately, the way kids are raised these days, everyone expects to get a medal no matter what XD

I AM THE WALL1/26/2015, 11:32:56 PM4 votes

Remember the old ELO rating system from back in the day? Season 1 silver was like today's high platinum. Having a rank actually meant something. It was possible to be denied a rank because you weren't good enough. Meanwhile, every league that isn't Bronze and Silver actually has a purpose. Today's gold is effectively season 1 bronze. Because contrary to popular belief, and despite those "rewards" you don't start becoming relevant until AT LEAST high platinum. In which case the struggle begins to reach Diamond, and so on. Platinum is where high ELO truly starts. Master tier is a good place for scouting purposes, and Challenger is exclusive for the absolute best players, as only those who can consistently be seen in Challenger are worthy of the competitive scene. Because they ARE competitive players. Bronze, Silver and Gold to an extent are effectively the same proving grounds. It takes someone with enough skill and willpower to reach a competitive level, to get out of the so-called "ELO Hell" as some people call it. And yes, while I understand that rank is a sign of progress, and not skill (as said by riot, a few pros and some famous high ELO youtubers/streamers) it takes a strong desire to reach a competitive level. Most people in low ELO don't necessarily have that urge to be competitive. Most people just want to hit Gold for the season rewards, which is why reaching Platinum can be such a hurdle to conquer. Because many players just stop caring about advancing at that point, and give up easily because they got their rewards and see no point in going further. It's even possible to say that they lack confidence in maintaining their rank, so they avoid ranked as much as possible to keep what they've earned. I believe that bringing back the ELO rating system, or perhaps even an improved, refined version would be healthy for this game. Being in bronze shouldn't be the bottom of the barrel, it should be square one. The start of your career. A place where you can truly earn your rank amongst the thousands of people that play this game, while fighting to improve and maintain what you've earned. In addition, I also believe that there should be more strict requirements on playing ranked, so that it's taken to a more serious level. Quite frankly, I think the requirements are ineffective in stopping every fresh level 30 from taking a shot at the big leagues. Truthfully, it's always been a bad idea to hop straight into ranked at 30. Implementing more prerequisites and even systems to help players prepare for ranked can not only show us it's meant for the competitive audience, but help every greenhorn out there aspire to get their very own rank amongst everyone around them. A rank that truly means something. A rank that shows how far you've gotten. A rank that's there for a better reason than a pitiful border or skin. A rank that has to be EARNED. League of Legends is a competitive game, and I strongly believe that we need to enforce this aspect while still finding ways to cater to those...dare I say it, "casuals." I don't want Riot to split their audience in half, as there are plenty of players on both sides. I'd rather have everyone realize that we're all playing a competitive game here. There will always be ways to reward and pander to those who choose to not be involved in the competitive aspects of League, but I think it's high time we tell all those "scrubs" to go big or go home. Don't take that word as an insult, as there aren't many ways to point out someone isn't among the best or skilled without it being seen as an insult. We all have to start somewhere, and if the lowest rank was the start of our career and not "ELO Hell" then I'm sure we can all respect each other and do our best to climb those ladders and...be victorious. You might not like it, but I think if rank was something you truly had to earn, we would all try our hardest to improve. Maybe one day, you can be in "Bronze" and not be seen as...well, I'm sure you know what I mean.

kDrakari1/27/2015, 5:54:29 AM3 votes

I don't really care, there's going the be a bottom tier regardless and calling it something other than Bronze doesn't change that.

Also, you do have to earn Bronze. It's just that earning bronze is more of "slog through normals to level 30 regardless of skill" rather than any actual demonstration that you understand anything in the game.

Daen1/29/2015, 5:57:58 PM3 votes

This used to be the case, and honestly I have no idea why it was changed. Let's look at this from a mathematical standpoint, shall we? Let's assume the bottom of gold is 1500 ELO (that's what it was when we actually had ELO) and that each Division is 100 ELO (clean number to represent LP, even distribution across Tiers). Here's the breakdown:

  • Master/Challenger: 3000+
  • Diamond: 2500-2999
  • Platinum: 2000-2499
  • Gold: 1500-1999
  • Silver: 1000-1499
  • Bronze: 0-999

Well well well, what have we here? With equally divided Tiers, Bronze is twice the size of any other tier. Not only that, but the division Bronze V is six times as large as any other division. This makes no sense, because all it does is devalue Bronze as a whole and make Bronze V utterly worthless. Why is this desireable?

Honestly, my opinion is that the best solution would be to either place another tier under Bronze or rebalance everything down so that Bronze is the true bottom. There is no reason one group should be so much larger than all the rest, and it lumps so many different skill levels together.

CheckMyDoubles1/27/2015, 3:13:30 AM2 votes

You can't have a tier system without having one of them being the worst of the worst. If you make it harder to get into Bronze, whatever is below that just becomes the new Bronze V tier and the brunt of all the jokes.

"Oh look, you're so bad you don't even qualify for BRONZE V."

You can't have winners without having a bunch of losers. It's just that nobody wants to be the losers. I don't see how changing the qualifications would do anything other than making Bronze the new Silver. But I agree the Bronze plaque does remind me of the "everybody gets a trophy for trying" mentality, so I don't know why anyone uses it for their icons.

truckboattruck1/26/2015, 9:59:45 PM2 votes

you arent suppose to be proud of bronze thats the point

lDontLiftIcarry1/27/2015, 4:20:25 AM1 votes

I find it hilarious theres even people below silver

I just find it amusing there are people who literally end a season below where you start off. its just...haha

Eleshakai1/28/2015, 11:07:56 PM1 votes

What's the point? People would just make up a 'name' for the people below bronze, and everything people say about bronze players now would be said about those people.

Essentially what Riot is doing is copying Blizzard's relatively successful league system from SC2, which puts everyone into leagues and divisions to give everyone the opportunity to feel like they're a 'part' of the system with an attainable goal for improvement.

It's a way to motivate people to play, and - by and large - it works. Whether you realize it or not ;)

Aerothal1/29/2015, 8:22:59 PM1 votes

i didn't ask for the system to be abolished.

i just want bronze to be the achievement its supposed to be.

Nothing is wrong about being unranked. the fact is, there would be less discrimination about unranked players than there is about bronze 5 players at the moment, for one simple reason: You dont know why the person is unranked. Could be its a bad player. Could be a yet unranked Master or anything in between. There is less of a negative stigma to unranked than there is to bronze 5.

and again, just handing out a meaningless badge is wrong.

It also devalues my season 2 Bronze badge, though this is not what that's about....well...maybe a lil ;)

Sukishoo1/29/2015, 9:21:39 PM1 votes

I think we just need many other leagues thrown in there as well

Challenger Master Diamond Emerald Sapphire Platinum Ruby Gold Silver Bronze Rock Wood Dirt Unranked/Challenged ;)

Seriously, the list could go on for days with the types of metals/crystals they used as Tier names.

iainB851/29/2015, 9:39:24 PM1 votes

Used to be like this... Riot changed it for whatever reason.

I agree with you, there should be an unranked tier where if your MMR is too low you have no medal at all. Having any kind of medal (even bronze) should be an accomplishment people feel good about, rather than a negative stigma (aka "bronze noob") that it currently is now.

Aerothal5/9/2015, 6:44:06 PM1 votes

Bump

EL HAMSTERO5/9/2015, 7:38:53 PM1 votes

so basically you want to delete the bronze name and just have them be unranked and have ranked start at silver.