"Pushing advantage" Please Riot, do NOT implement!

Aerothal·Nov 12, 2015·46 votes·1,799 views

@Riot: I am glad you did not roll this one out and i sincerely hope you will postpone it indefinitely. As it is, league snowballs enough without the minions getting empowered through level advantage. All you obtain is to have teams that are ahead snowball even harder. There will not be crazy comeback stories anymore. Forget 4v5 wins. and in case of an early game afk, the "pushing advantage" will set in early game.

How can you justify this? What is your thought process behind this change? (kind of hoping for an actual answer from a Rioter to this one!)

My justified fear is that people will be even more prone to surrender early, once this is put in place!

41 Comments

AerothalNov 12, 201510 votes

not to mention that baron already empowers minions...

Count ZubatNov 13, 20157 votes

Don't forget that Rift Herald was added, which gives your minions very strong pushing power very early in the game.

TerozuNov 13, 20151 votes

It's not that strong and it doesnt last that long...

AerothalNov 13, 20155 votes

its pretty strong depending on who you give it to.

TerozuNov 14, 20151 votes

Not rly it gives you a slight minion advantage and doesnt do much else you are rly compllainging about something that doesnt truly matter, early game is when the outer turrets aredestroed and if you can't hold inner turret in TOP by 20 minutes pllay a different role, your useless up there or ppl are smurfing you...

AerothalNov 15, 20151 votes

man you must be really high elo, coming in here, making all these smart statements backed up by vast experience and strategic knowledge? lets see! yes yes, S5 Bronze with 30 ranked games played. keep it up man!

RetillinNov 13, 20152 votes

If you can take 1/2 towers then it's worth it. Seeing as how you should only be getting the buff after you kill/send back the top laner of the enemy team, you should get a tower from it.

AerothalNov 16, 20151 votes

agreed!

Permaban00150856Nov 13, 20153 votes

I HOPE people surrender more. I like how this patch is going now. Accoridng to someone no one surrender because you loose more LP. If so they should change it to the same. I sometimes play games where they tripple our score and no one surrenders. Even I have someone afk and they double our score and people still don't surrender. Its a complete waste of time to try to play the game out. A huge problem with league is the fact that the games are very long. For example, CSGO ranked games are ATLEAST 45 minutes long average about an hour or so. THOUGH there are other things you can play that takes in place of the ranked games in csgo since they are leavable. In league the only short game is 3v3(It may even be long) and aram. It does not simulate a 5v5 ranked game. Since this is a MOBA game, the only way is to make the games shorter.

What I do not like is " MINION DAMAGE BONUS If your team's average level is higher than the enemy's, your minions deal 10% bonus damage to enemy minions. If you've taken cumulatively more turrets than the enemy team, damage is further increased by 10% for each turret you have over your opponents. " because the minion damage bonus can change when someone backs to fountain ect.

Even though snowballing is much easier a lot of people are not looking at the opposite side. You can punish a lot harder. Towers are weaker and theres bounty. It evens it out

AerothalNov 13, 20152 votes

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I HOPE people surrender more. I like how this patch is going now. Accoridng to someone no one surrender because you loose more LP. If so they should change it to the same. I sometimes play games where they tripple our score and no one surrenders. Even I have someone afk and they double our score and people still don't surrender. Its a complete waste of time to try to play the game out. A huge problem with league is the fact that the games are very long. For example, CSGO ranked games are ATLEAST 45 minutes long average about an hour or so. THOUGH there are other things you can play that takes in place of the ranked games in csgo since they are leavable. In league the only short game is 3v3(It may even be long) and aram. It does not simulate a 5v5 ranked game. Since this is a MOBA game, the only way is to make the games shorter.

What I do not like is " MINION DAMAGE BONUS If your team's average level is higher than the enemy's, your minions deal 10% bonus damage to enemy minions. If you've taken cumulatively more turrets than the enemy team, damage is further increased by 10% for each turret you have over your opponents. " because the minion damage bonus can change when someone backs to fountain ect.

Even though snowballing is much easier a lot of people are not looking at the opposite side. You can punish a lot harder. Towers are weaker and theres bounty. It evens it out

you dont even ... eh nvmnd. you believe what you believe! pce

TerozuNov 14, 20151 votes

Everyting he posted is true, you are complaing about NOTHING, and it's really annoying dude

AerothalNov 15, 20151 votes

why are you spamming this post? you have not said ANYTHING worth considering. you yell, you make dumb statements that aren't backed up with anything. what do you want? if you disagree please, do so, but don't come here and behave like an idiot! make your own post ans see where it gets you!

TerozuNov 13, 20153 votes

The whole you lose more LP is bs I lose more LP when I lose then when i surrender and noone from Riot has backed that claim up anyways so wtf

AerothalNov 13, 20153 votes

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The whole you lose more LP is bs I lose more LP when I lose then when i surrender and noone from Riot has backed that claim up anyways so wtf

yeah, idk who ever said that, wasn't me. i know its bull.

TerozuNov 14, 20151 votes

I was agreeing with you lol, ppl need to learn to surrender, they wouldnt give you the option then penalize you for using it, that'd be rly dumb

ZT XperimentorNov 13, 20153 votes

Agreed, this last patch has made the game snowball so hard it's impossble to make a comeback at all. And they want to make it worse?

KorilloNov 13, 20153 votes

I watched the video where they explained the reasoning behind doing this. It is "to increase the number of team fights". They want teams to win by having team fights, not "farming and waiting the enemy out."

Well Guess what happens if the winning team has stronger minions? Somebody will always have to defend the lane that's being pushed up, while the "winning" team will have a free lane pushing all by itself, and can therefore group more easily.

Which means the winning team is going to be consistently be able to fight 5v3s and 5v4s while the enemy team defends their pushed up lane (being pushed by nothing but minions), giving them an EVEN FURTHER advantage and resulting in absolutely lopsided team fights. The winning team is literally given free reign to roll over the other team without any penalty.

If you want to have more teamfights, this is NOT the way to do it. Not even close.

AerothalNov 13, 20151 votes

EXACTLY!!! thank you for the additional info and the insight. i agree 100% with your analysis.

nerak23Nov 12, 20152 votes

I agree !

AATTRROOXXNov 13, 20152 votes

You do realize this is an advantage to the losing team if they are able to farm regularly, due to them not having to worry about pushing out a lane until they are even with their opponents.

MrWasjigNov 13, 20154 votes

Meanwhile the already winning team gets to control the map, farm the losing team's jungle and hog all the objectives. A few extra minions waves will not match that amount of control and objectives.

TerozuNov 13, 20152 votes

You understand that in a 4v5 the team of 4 will have level advantage due to not having to share exp among the extra person (it goes a long ways) and this will then balance the game out by giving them stronger minions to supplement the missing team mate?

MrWasjigNov 13, 20154 votes

Not really, because the losing team will already be behind thanks to missing an entire dude. The extra XP will do little more than bring them up to the winning team, and even then they're still a guy down.

Whatever way you put it, this change will only encourage the already rife rich get richer, poor get poorer ecosystem.

TerozuNov 14, 20151 votes

aNo the extra dude doesnt count towards the average of the push advantage, and ia 3 level advantage + the pushing minions would balance it out

MrWasjigNov 15, 20151 votes

Very well, you keep lapping this up like the good little drone Riot wants the playerbase to be. Meanwhile the rest of us will push for a less snowball susceptible, one sided game where the losing team actually has a proper chance to make a comeback.

Good day Sir!

DalthineNov 13, 20153 votes

I keep seeing people argue this. Has Riot said that an afk person doesn't count towards the average? Because if not then you have a Lv1 dragging down your team's average all game and making it impossible to get this bonus on the team of 4.

TerozuNov 14, 20151 votes

Yes they have said that somewhere that the other person doesnt count

AerothalNov 15, 20151 votes

"somewhere"...show me where, otherwise it's just hearsay.

RisenDarkKnightNov 13, 20152 votes

Unfortunately, as quick as games on live are, 20 minutes isn't an early surrender, half the games are over by then. The 30+ minute game is the rarity. If the minion changes go live they'll need to lower the surrender timer or the winning team will probably kill your nexus before 20.

AerothalNov 13, 20155 votes

I completely agree. Games on live right now are over way to fast. Makes me wonder if that is something riot is trying to push, but i actually think that longer games give more depth to the gaming experience.

I like the possibility of comebacks and upsets

Putting into place a system that practically determines the winner in the first 10 minutes takes away from the game experience i am looking for.

I thought this game was about strategy rather than snowballing!?!

I really dont want 15 minute games on SR. if i want a supershort game i play 3v3.

I dont think shortening the game time is a healthy trend.

SmithneyNov 13, 20151 votes

Perhaps Riot are trying to save casual players' time spent on LoL. If that is the case, I support the cause, but I doubt the execution. I like fast paced games, but not at the cost of enjoyability. And I would still welcome the option of long, drawn-out ones.

nerak23Nov 14, 20152 votes

PPL THE ONE's HAVING THE LEVEL ADVANTAGE, AND THEREFORE THE TEAMFIGHT DVANTAGE IS THE PPL WITH AN AFK FOR GOD'S SAKE!! SO STOP UPVOTING THIS, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER!!

Why are you shouting ?

TerozuNov 14, 20151 votes

PPL THE ONE's HAVING THE LEVEL ADVANTAGE, AND THEREFORE THE TEAMFIGHT DVANTAGE IS THE PPL WITH AN AFK FOR GOD'S SAKE!! SO STOP UPVOTING THIS, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER!!

AerothalNov 15, 20151 votes

go away, you dont make sense

AerothalNov 28, 20151 votes

Please @Riot, shelve the pushing advantage idea!

RomanceNov 28, 20151 votes

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Please @Riot, shelve the pushing advantage idea!

Yes, please Riot take balance advice from the Silver 5 with 400 played ranked games. DO IT.

AerothalNov 28, 20151 votes

exactly! thank you for agreeing with me!

EL HAMSTERONov 28, 20151 votes

this actually can help the losing team in some situations. the winning team has to go deep to get any farm because their minions autopush.

i played a game yesterday where my team was losing but i got to about 250 cs at 25 minutes farming almost exclusively under turret while their team wasnt farming at all. i became unstoppable and we came back and won.

AerothalNov 28, 20151 votes

That is a possible scenario. but only if the opposing team does not take advantage of the pushing minions. with all minions pushing you can safely splitpush, safely take control of both jungles, get control of dragons and baron. you dont need to worry about sending someone to actively push lanes to get that kind of control, so you have an easier time grouping. Meanwhile the already losing team has to defend base at three fronts, can not group and is at a massive disadvantage. i mean, we'll see how it plays out, Riot said in a recent post that they will strongly observe on how this changes the game flow.

I just cant see why it is necessary. winning teams snowball enough already. Average game time since Patch 5.22 has gone way down in comparison to season 5. I really don't want 20 minute SR games to become the norm or, even worse, teams giving up at 10 minutes because people feel like its already way over!

EL HAMSTERONov 28, 20151 votes

yes it definitely can help the winning team especially with objectives. i think it is intended to help the losing team though.