Champion Masterys Should Reset If The Champion Gets Reworked

warpenguin555·Mar 15, 2015·39 votes·1,178 views

Like Sion level reworked.

10 Comments

JubbinautMar 15, 20157 votes

How much of a rework should be required?

Trist just had a couple changes - would her Mastery reset?

Veigar's wasn't even really a rework, just a shifting of power - would his Mastery reset?

Don't get me wrong, I agree! I just think there's room for interesting discussion here.

Personally, I think anything that changes the core gameplay patterns should warrant at least some mastery reset. So, regarding my previous comparisons, Veigar's would (as the usage case of his stun changed, and therefore so did his gameplay pattern) while Tristana's wouldn't (as her basic patterns remain the same).

warpenguin555Mar 15, 20154 votes

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How much of a rework should be required?

Trist just had a couple changes - would her Mastery reset?

Veigar's wasn't even really a rework, just a shifting of power - would his Mastery reset?

Don't get me wrong, I agree! I just think there's room for interesting discussion here.

Personally, I think anything that changes the core gameplay patterns should warrant at least some mastery reset. So, regarding my previous comparisons, Veigar's would (as the usage case of his stun changed, and therefore so did his gameplay pattern) while Tristana's wouldn't (as her basic patterns remain the same).

thats a good question.

The sion level where everything changed for damn sure, too much is different from new and old

for tristana i would go with no, because as you said, she wasnt really changed too much

Veigar could go either way, if i had control of it i would probably go with yes because so much of his gameplay was changed that people had to completely relearn him.

Thanks for catching that :)

LakegaMar 15, 20154 votes

Good question? seems brain dead simple and no room for discussion...

There are 2 different types of "re works" One that simply changes a few skills/spells, and a total re work..

Examples:

Sion: Total re work, plays entirely differently down, would be a reset on masteries.

Nidalee: Had many skills slightly altered, but plays relatively nearly exactly the same, no reset.

As for veigar... what?? his OP binding was changed to have a slight cool down, and his Q is.. ultimately no different, if not more OP than before, despite being a "skill shot" it now hits multiple targets, and has a increase in damage.

Nothing "changed" drastically to make anyone have to re learn him, except get used to his now delayed bind.

If changing a delay on a skill, and making another skill a skillshit is considered a "big change to make me need to re learn" I cry for you.

JubbinautMar 15, 20151 votes

I'm not sure I agree entirely with simplifying it so far.

Nidalee's skills and passive were altered in a way intended to shift her strengths and encourage a very different play-style. Players who were used to the "spear-sniper" play-style won't be as effective with the more cat-form focused style. However, I do think that, in this case, enough similarity was maintained that it wouldn't necessarily warrant a reset.

Veigar's stun change was a significant change to its usage case - both in terms of placement and timing - and the change to his Q also requires a shift. Combined, these represent a fairly sizable change to his gameplay patterns that it may warrant a reset.

Part of what I expected to address over the course of a discussion on this subject was the concept of "limited resets." For Nidalee and Veigar, for example, who have notable pattern shifts in their game-play, a reduction of mastery may be warranted - as opposed to Sion and Soraka (and someday Poppy), who were changed almost entirely, and would warrant a complete reset.

CaptainTatertitsMar 15, 20151 votes

I don't get it. why don't you just, I dunno... change them. There is really no difference between them resetting it and you resetting it, since you'll have to do it regardless.

I have a masteries page called Cho top that I use for Mundo. If they rework cho, should I be forced to remake my masteries page?

Think it through guys :o

JubbinautMar 15, 20151 votes

He's referring to the new "Champion Mastery" system on PBE.

Which... is liable to be a huge point of confusion if they don't change the name on one of those or the other.

JevelFaithfulMar 15, 20151 votes

That would be good to put in the OP. But yeah, I tend to agree. Maybe on a case-by-case basis?

ElJanitorFrankMar 16, 20151 votes

It doesn't matter in my opinion. Riot's mastery system doesn't mean as much, which I'm really upset about. Mastering a champion is so easy it's kind of insulting and deluding the term "Mastery".

If it will only take 20 games to re-master it, what's the point?

NinjaFiferMar 16, 20151 votes

You should then get an icon on your profile that other people can see that lets everyone know your mastery level of "old champion." Something to not completely devaluate your efforts.

warpenguin555Mar 16, 20151 votes

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You should then get an icon on your profile that other people can see that lets everyone know your mastery level of "old champion." Something to not completely devaluate your efforts.

ya thats a good idea