Low ELO ranked is nothing more than a lottery

Id Bang Morgana·Sep 4, 2015·17 votes·5,676 views

I've just had loss after demoralizing loss in ranked as of late, and it feels like I'm stuck in a system that doesn't reward merit, but instead rewards luck. Now, I'm not here to preach about how I'm stuck in ELO hell or how I belong in X division, but honestly I play to the very best of my ability every game, and I do have bad games where I play poorly, but it honestly feels like ranked queue is just a lottery. One game I might get a god tier singed that carries the day, or their team has an AFK, and another game I might stomp lane try to help my other lanes and still lose because they don't know basic things like pushing the side lanes before pushing mid, or warding, or when to contest drag, or I might have an AFK on my team. It is just frustrating to play this game to the best of your ability every single time, and still be punished just because you have an AFK, or several of your team mates are playing poorly. I had a dream once, a dream that I could make it into the gold division by improving my play style and winning games by playing well enough to earn the promotion. But now I'm just hoping that I can ride enough of a lucky win streak to get there so that I can stop playing and get the victorious skin. I mean, is this really what it has to come down to now? Hoping you win, not because you played better, but because you just got luckier than your opponents? I wish there were some better way to decide how LP is awarded, but in the mean time is there anything I can do to put the lottery in my favor? Because honestly I just feel like swallowing cyanide after most of my ranked games, whether they're wins or losses. There just isn't anything fun about ranked queue anymore and the fact that there's an ineffective report system doesn't help either

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DEN15 512Sep 4, 20156 votes

guide to climbing low elo

Step 1: obtain top lane or jungle Step 2: pick champs that splitpush all day and literally give 0 fucks about their team ( MasterYi Tryndamere Nasus ) Step 3: proceed to demolish every tower in the game Step 4: profit

Id Bang MorganaSep 4, 20152 votes

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guide to climbing low elo

Step 1: obtain top lane or jungle Step 2: pick champs that splitpush all day and literally give 0 fucks about their team ( ) Step 3: proceed to demolish every tower in the game Step 4: profit

come on man, I'm not in bronze. And most people are smart enough to ban out devourer junglers

A Miss FortuneSep 4, 20153 votes

You can only ban 6 Junglers, and even Sated AD Janna Jungle could be considered freelo with that item.

Id Bang MorganaSep 4, 20152 votes

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You can only ban 6 Junglers, and even Sated AD Janna Jungle could be considered freelo with that item.

I agree, there seems to be too much to ban at the moment and the release of the juggernauts didn't really help since no one really knows how to deal with them

A Miss FortuneSep 4, 20151 votes

And then taking in consideration other champions like Fizz which haven't had their actual issues ever addressed. Pretty sure they just pulled another Fizz on none other than Fizz himself, by nerfing him in multiple aspects, but then proceeding to buff him to soften the nerfs.

LowvyrSep 4, 20151 votes

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come on man, I'm not in bronze. And most people are smart enough to ban out devourer junglers

Then main Nasus Give 0 fucks about your team Take all their towers get 1000 stacks proceed to run through their team and one shot their carries while being the great doggy of doom.

Id Bang MorganaSep 4, 20151 votes

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Then main Nasus Give 0 fucks about your team Take all their towers get 1000 stacks proceed to run through their team and one shot their carries while being the great doggy of doom.

He's pretty easy to kite though. If I wanted to be the type of scum that AFK farms top I might as well main tryndamere

gLrtbHdjzESep 4, 20154 votes

[{quoted}](name=DEN15 512,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ffs4QHW4,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-09-04T03:37:40.758+0000)

guide to climbing low elo

Step 1: obtain top lane or jungle Step 2: pick champs that splitpush all day and literally give 0 fucks about their team ( ) Step 3: proceed to demolish every tower in the game Step 4: profit

That's another thing, I have a thing I like to call self-respect that doesn't allow me to play Yi, because I don't like to abuse incredibly broken champions to climb since that doesn't come close to reflecting my skill. I tend to avoid top lane as it's currently my weakest role, but I can manage it (usually) if I have to.

LoL players suckSep 4, 20155 votes

you cannot carry a team by yourself if the players that make up your team eat paste

Tundra FizzSep 4, 20154 votes

The fact that elo boosting exists and that people can maintain an 80% win-rate from Bronze to Platinum proves that individual skill goes a lot further than you give credit for

KãtãrinãSep 4, 20153 votes

low elo ranked isnt hard

Id Bang MorganaSep 4, 20152 votes

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low elo ranked isnt hard

I'm not saying it is, but its hard to win when you have VvVvVvVvVvVvVortic on your team who thinks they can 1v5 every time. And when you main top, well...... you need your team more than a mid main would. And you need to have them make decent decisions most of the time.

Live2LetDieSep 4, 20153 votes

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I'm not saying it is, but its hard to win when you have VvVvVvVvVvVvVortic on your team who thinks they can 1v5 every time. And when you main top, well...... you need your team more than a mid main would. And you need to have them make decent decisions most of the time.

Low elo you can single handily win the game. That's not exaggerating.

Id Bang MorganaSep 4, 20151 votes

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Low elo you can single handily win the game. That's not exaggerating.

I don't main mid

Live2LetDieSep 4, 20154 votes

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I don't main mid

You can carry at any role, i carried to p5 from b2 as a support.... Its the fact that you think otherwise that shows your in the correct elo and thats not a bad thing. If you lose games in bronze then you would hate silver then gold etc because you are not ready for them. This game is about learning and you will know when you deserve to be in a better division trust me.

gLrtbHdjzESep 4, 20151 votes

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You can carry at any role, i carried to p5 from b2 as a support.... Its the fact that you think otherwise that shows your in the correct elo and thats not a bad thing. If you lose games in bronze then you would hate silver then gold etc because you are not ready for them. This game is about learning and you will know when you deserve to be in a better division trust me.

You didn't carry yourself from bronze to plat by only playing support. If you always got the role you wanted, then you aren't playing League. There have been many games where support was picked before me so I can hardly believe you got to support every game and won simply because you played better than the other team. You can't sit there and say there haven't been games you lost because top fed a tryndamere and you couldn't do anything about it, because if you roam, your adc gets dove and their adc gets more fed. Don't come in here and spew your garbage.

Live2LetDieSep 4, 20151 votes

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You didn't carry yourself from bronze to plat by only playing support. If you always got the role you wanted, then you aren't playing League. There have been many games where support was picked before me so I can hardly believe you got to support every game and won simply because you played better than the other team. You can't sit there and say there haven't been games you lost because top fed a tryndamere and you couldn't do anything about it, because if you roam, your adc gets dove and their adc gets more fed. Don't come in here and spew your garbage.

Your saying I am lying when my s4 stats show i only played support in solo Q (except for the occasional random lane so %95 support). I have lost games for sure but i also have dominated games where top trynd was fed but my thresh destroyed bot and mid so we won. Your making excuses thats all your doing. ill say it again, in silver - elo you can single handily carry any game if you arent suppose to be in that elo. Otherwise you got beat and thats it.

gLrtbHdjzESep 4, 20151 votes

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Your saying I am lying when my s4 stats show i only played support in solo Q (except for the occasional random lane so %95 support). I have lost games for sure but i also have dominated games where top trynd was fed but my thresh destroyed bot and mid so we won. Your making excuses thats all your doing. ill say it again, in silver - elo you can single handily carry any game if you arent suppose to be in that elo. Otherwise you got beat and thats it.

It's just not true. You can't just say you can win every game by yourself and if you didn't win then that's it. I've had multiple games where I was the only one who didn't feed, this month. How do you win those games? You don't. You just sit there and wait until 20 minutes as the team pushes an inhib at 16 minutes.

Live2LetDieSep 4, 20152 votes

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It's just not true. You can't just say you can win every game by yourself and if you didn't win then that's it. I've had multiple games where I was the only one who didn't feed, this month. How do you win those games? You don't. You just sit there and wait until 20 minutes as the team pushes an inhib at 16 minutes.

And this is why your stuck where you are. You probably ff at 20 mins a lot then haha. Keep that mindset if you want and don't take advice from someone who already went through the gauntlet in one season. Doesn't bother me

Id Bang MorganaSep 4, 20153 votes

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You can carry at any role, i carried to p5 from b2 as a support.... Its the fact that you think otherwise that shows your in the correct elo and thats not a bad thing. If you lose games in bronze then you would hate silver then gold etc because you are not ready for them. This game is about learning and you will know when you deserve to be in a better division trust me.

I'm just speaking from experience. I'm sitting in silver 2, and find myself playing top quite a bit. I do believe that I can have an impact on the game by roaming mid to extend my lead and such, but when, lets say my bot lane, starts dying because they don't ward and blame the jungler who then starts flaming and sits on the plate because hes too pissed he was just criticized on the internet what can I do? Am I supposed to put on my carry pants and lead this dysfunctional team to victory? While I'd like to believe I can, it won't happen, save for a few times where I've calmed arguing team mates down. This is a TEAM GAME and that fact that you're in plat and still think you can win it by yourself scares me.

Live2LetDieSep 4, 20152 votes

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I'm just speaking from experience. I'm sitting in silver 2, and find myself playing top quite a bit. I do believe that I can have an impact on the game by roaming mid to extend my lead and such, but when, lets say my bot lane, starts dying because they don't ward and blame the jungler who then starts flaming and sits on the plate because hes too pissed he was just criticized on the internet what can I do? Am I supposed to put on my carry pants and lead this dysfunctional team to victory? While I'd like to believe I can, it won't happen, save for a few times where I've calmed arguing team mates down. This is a TEAM GAME and that fact that you're in plat and still think you can win it by yourself scares me.

You won your lane but the their jungler kept going bot means you should be at their inhib. O he finally comes to deal with you? You destoryed your lane and can easily 1v2(O you cant?) well good thing you had wards and took jungle pressure off bot. You roamed mid after winning lane, thats two easy towers. 4v5s happen all the time. I KNOW you can carry by yourself in those elos because i DID go through it last season haha. Plat it still happens where one guy completely solo carries a game its just not as often.

Id Bang MorganaSep 4, 20151 votes

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You won your lane but the their jungler kept going bot means you should be at their inhib. O he finally comes to deal with you? You destoryed your lane and can easily 1v2(O you cant?) well good thing you had wards and took jungle pressure off bot. You roamed mid after winning lane, thats two easy towers. 4v5s happen all the time. I KNOW you can carry by yourself in those elos because i DID go through it last season haha. Plat it still happens where one guy completely solo carries a game its just not as often.

"jungler kept going bot" Bot is losing with no jungle pressure Now what?

Live2LetDieSep 4, 20152 votes

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"jungler kept going bot" Bot is losing with no jungle pressure Now what?

Lane swap, let them 2v1 the lane thats not fed while you deal with the fed lane. Your better then your bot obviously right? then you should have no trouble being under tower. Your items are cheap while the adc has the most expensive items in the game. Focus TP ganks bot, lane swap, or win your lane.

Id Bang MorganaSep 4, 20151 votes

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Lane swap, let them 2v1 the lane thats not fed while you deal with the fed lane. Your better then your bot obviously right? then you should have no trouble being under tower. Your items are cheap while the adc has the most expensive items in the game. Focus TP ganks bot, lane swap, or win your lane.

Most people in silver are averse to lane swapping mid game, and even if you do, you're begging to get 3 man dove by their already fed laners and their jungler. Its just a very bad idea. You're throwing away your lead, widening their lead more, giving their jungler a lead, and even if your adc and support do well top its not going to make up for giving the opposing duo lane a bigger lead.

Live2LetDieSep 4, 20151 votes

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Most people in silver are averse to lane swapping mid game, and even if you do, you're begging to get 3 man dove by their already fed laners and their jungler. Its just a very bad idea. You're throwing away your lead, widening their lead more, giving their jungler a lead, and even if your adc and support do well top its not going to make up for giving the opposing duo lane a bigger lead.

Dove 3v1 means you should at least get a retaliation kill as a top laner, since in silver balancing tower aggro is non existent, and your tanky. If you ward that doesn't matter anyways because you wont get dove 3v1 meaning its completely on you to just cs and not die to the 2v1 lane giving your 2v1 time to catch up while you dont lose out on much, since once again, your items are cheap.

Id Bang MorganaSep 4, 20151 votes

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Dove 3v1 means you should at least get a retaliation kill as a top laner, since in silver balancing tower aggro is non existent, and your tanky. If you ward that doesn't matter anyways because you wont get dove 3v1 meaning its completely on you to just cs and not die to the 2v1 lane giving your 2v1 time to catch up while you dont lose out on much, since once again, your items are cheap.

I hate to break it to you, but in silver 2 they actually know how to juggle turret aggro and if they have any amount of CC that makes a retaliation kill that much harder. Not to mention the fact that most ADCs take heal, most supports take exhaust, and some supports bring heals or shields to boot. its just not a good idea to swap. I'd be inclined to agree if mid was starting to falter, but no way in hell is switching top and the duo bot a good idea. And don't even try to say "but they do it in the LCS"

PandemicPanda5Sep 4, 20152 votes

I'm also in roughly in the same elo as you and I can tell you they definitely don't know how to juggle turret aggro. People will just tank it and run when they get low - it's not calculated like you see in videos.
Your op.gg shows you've played 400+ games. If you haven't been promoted after that it's because you are at the approximate elo you deserve to be in. there's no way in that many games you had so many trolls and such that you couldn't be promoted if you actually deserved to be.

Id Bang MorganaSep 4, 20152 votes

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I'm also in roughly in the same elo as you and I can tell you they definitely don't know how to juggle turret aggro. People will just tank it and run when they get low - it's not calculated like you see in videos.

Your op.gg shows you've played 400+ games. If you haven't been promoted after that it's because you are at the approximate elo you deserve to be in. there's no way in that many games you had so many trolls and such that you couldn't be promoted if you actually deserved to be.

What my op.gg doesn't show is that I started this season in bronze 2, worked my way up to silver to as of right now, and have been into promos for, or have been in at one point, silver 1 at least 5 times. The real trouble is when you first make a division and immediately lose with an AFK.

LoL players suckSep 4, 20152 votes

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Dove 3v1 means you should at least get a retaliation kill as a top laner, since in silver balancing tower aggro is non existent, and your tanky. If you ward that doesn't matter anyways because you wont get dove 3v1 meaning its completely on you to just cs and not die to the 2v1 lane giving your 2v1 time to catch up while you dont lose out on much, since once again, your items are cheap.

unless your ward is Gandalf youre not safe

EndlessSorcererSep 4, 20151 votes

Jungle: Gank lanes Top: Splitpush and/or TP gank bot Mid: Roam bot or top ADC: Take your tower and roam mid Support: Roam mid to gank

Id Bang MorganaSep 4, 20153 votes

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Jungle: Gank lanes Top: Splitpush and/or TP gank bot Mid: Roam bot or top ADC: Take your tower and roam mid Support: Roam mid to gank

You know I've reached lvl 30 right?

RogueWillSep 4, 20151 votes

Actually that is how you carry games with low ability teammates on each position. I consider carrrying as ADC and Support are the hardest one simply because at least your teammate has to be the same level as you.

In Jungle you dictate what objective contest and which one you don't because of the smite. If you refuse to go contest the drake chances are your teammates won't go either, you will get blamed and flamed over that decision but your team won't contest it. As jungle you really have 2 ways to carry, you either fed your teammates kills (ganks) and hope they are ahead enough to carry you late, or get a carry jungler and hope your teamates don't fed as much.

As top, is just don't move from there and keep pushing/splitpushing. If the whole enemy team goes after you hopefully your team may take a few objectives(turrets/dragons)

As mid, roam and gank and get fed. Is best if it is a mid that can set up multi kills and not a single target nuker.

gLrtbHdjzESep 4, 20151 votes

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Actually that is how you carry games with low ability teammates on each position. I consider carrrying as ADC and Support are the hardest one simply because at least your teammate has to be the same level as you.

In Jungle you dictate what objective contest and which one you don't because of the smite. If you refuse to go contest the drake chances are your teammates won't go either, you will get blamed and flamed over that decision but your team won't contest it. As jungle you really have 2 ways to carry, you either fed your teammates kills (ganks) and hope they are ahead enough to carry you late, or get a carry jungler and hope your teamates don't fed as much.

As top, is just don't move from there and keep pushing/splitpushing. If the whole enemy team goes after you hopefully your team may take a few objectives(turrets/dragons)

As mid, roam and gank and get fed. Is best if it is a mid that can set up multi kills and not a single target nuker.

Are you REALLY trying to say your team won't contest a dragon without you if you play jungle? Because you are living a fantasy world. That happens to me in any jungle game where myself and my team starts falling behind. I won't want to contest a dragon when 5 of them are there, but my team sure as hell wants to. And you used the word "HOPE" and "CARRY" in the same sentence, but disagree with what OP has said? You do realize how contradictory that is.

RogueWillSep 4, 20151 votes

If you ping danage a few times and more complteley away from it they most likely won't contest it, or just a fool alone will go and die. Since Dragon Buffs are so small on low elo games anyway, half of the times is not worth contesting them anyway.

and yes I used hope and carry on the same sentence because there is a limit of how much youc an carry alone, if the enemy team is ahead enough there is possible no champion or build that can save you but you hardly ever see this kind of things since most low elo players don;t know how to pressurize objectives, you see them take kill over kill but no turret and as long as this keep happening you still stand a chance

gLrtbHdjzESep 4, 20151 votes

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If you ping danage a few times and more complteley away from it they most likely won't contest it, or just a fool alone will go and die. Since Dragon Buffs are so small on low elo games anyway, half of the times is not worth contesting them anyway.

and yes I used hope and carry on the same sentence because there is a limit of how much youc an carry alone, if the enemy team is ahead enough there is possible no champion or build that can save you but you hardly ever see this kind of things since most low elo players don;t know how to pressurize objectives, you see them take kill over kill but no turret and as long as this keep happening you still stand a chance

Well that was some kind of English, anyways what kind of game do you see people getting kill after kill and never pushing a lane or taking an objective? People I play against in my elo are competent people who know what to do when to do it. You're not going to see a game where they get 50 kills but never get a tower that's just stupid of you to think that.

RogueWillSep 4, 20151 votes

I normally take turret after killing my opponent on lane twice, once if it is late on the game already. I have seen lanes go 7/1 , 5/2 and still don't touch the turret, nasus players are the one that do it the most since they want to keep farming their Q but it happens sorta often with adc as well.

Kei143Sep 5, 20151 votes

Hi, question for you.

I'm in B2 and sometimes I am matched with people that have less mechanical prowess than myself and I end up getting pretty ahead in CS and kills as you described.

I like leaving the tower up as it gives me more time to farm and get even further ahead. I'll do the occasional roam if I see that a lane is being pushed up or having trouble. But if I see that my team has pushed them all the way into the tower, I'm normally more reluctant in roaming as I feel that its a waste of time to roam. That being said, should I really be taking down those turrets ASAP?

Same goes for my mid fame decisions, where all the turrets are down except that top nasus tower, should I go there and try to take that tower? Since I've had those top (sometimes even mid liners) tell me to f*** off and gtfo of their lane and don't bring a crowd to them.

Id Bang MorganaSep 5, 20151 votes

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Hi, question for you.

I'm in B2 and sometimes I am matched with people that have less mechanical prowess than myself and I end up getting pretty ahead in CS and kills as you described.

I like leaving the tower up as it gives me more time to farm and get even further ahead. I'll do the occasional roam if I see that a lane is being pushed up or having trouble. But if I see that my team has pushed them all the way into the tower, I'm normally more reluctant in roaming as I feel that its a waste of time to roam. That being said, should I really be taking down those turrets ASAP?

Same goes for my mid fame decisions, where all the turrets are down except that top nasus tower, should I go there and try to take that tower? Since I've had those top (sometimes even mid liners) tell me to f*** off and gtfo of their lane and don't bring a crowd to them.

If leaving your opponents tower up gives you more opportunities to kill them I'd say its a pretty good idea to leave it, but if its just for safer farm its not usually worth it as it also gives your lane opponent safer farm. If you've killed your lane opponent once in lane and see an opportunity to take tower its generally a good idea to do so as this extends your lead to a team wide lead with that global gold. From there you can either roam on mid and help them take their tower, go down to dragon with your jungler, go down to gank bot with your jungler, continue to push your lane AFTER WARDING in the top side jungle, or counter jungle their jungler again after warding. Theres only a few exceptions, one of them being nasus. Taking his tower early will just mean he has safer farming as long as he can freeze the wave at his tier 2, but if your team is winning their lanes or you have a team that can win before nasus can ramp up, take the turret and get your team the gold lead. Mid game you'll want to try to ward up around objectives like dragon and baron and get vision in their jungle. You'll want to pay attention to your side lanes and if they're pushing to your towers or your opponent's towers. If they're pushing to your towers don't take fights and don't do the dragon/baron dance as this will let their minions possibly take a turret for free. If the waves are pushing towards your opponent's turrets then you'll want to start pressuring mid or baron/dragon or even go into the enemy jungle to deny their jungler their buffs and camps. But you really REALLY want to make sure you have god vision so that you don't get flanked or chase into a fight that you don't want. I hope this helps a bit and feel free to ask anyhting else. I'll answer as best as I can

RogueWillSep 5, 20152 votes

At min 15 mark it should be down... the only real exception are farmers late game monster aka Nasus and still shouldn't be more than min 20. Taking the turret not only gives you more freedom to roam, it also gives you more control and vision of the map. It also gives a 125 global gold upon destroying it which means that if your teammates are having a close match up that could be the edge they need to win their own lane and keep pushing the lead (by taking more turrets). What to do after the outer turret is destroyed depends on what role are you playing, if you are playing adc pressure a dragon and then roam mid and take mid turret as well, if you are top roam mid for kills, or tp for dragon or kill bots, alternatively you can keep pushiing (proving that you ward so you don't die even if ganked) and push for the second turret. If you are mid youc an roam top or bot and get more kills, you can ward the enemy jungle and ambush him on the camps and also set behind the enemy jungler.

One of the biggest mistakes people do in low elo is drag games, then enemies can just catch up and get a lucky engage or lucky ace and win the game in a single push. Players don't realize how op are the super minions if you get them at low enough level (which is possible when people don't seem to want to leave they lane until ever outer turret is destroyed on its own)

Kei143Sep 5, 20151 votes

It makes me wonder why you are arguing with people that are better than you, when all it seems like you want to prove is that match making is a lottery and they've already told you that it isn't.

I'm bronze2 and I've learnt something in this thread by reading their responses. If you want to get out of ELO hell then maybe you should try to learn something as well.

Id Bang MorganaSep 5, 20151 votes

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It makes me wonder why you are arguing with people that are better than you, when all it seems like you want to prove is that match making is a lottery.

I'm bronze2 and I've learnt something in this thread by reading their responses. If you want to get out of ELO then maybe you should try to learn something as well.

Just because I disagree with some of their points doesn't mean I haven't learned anything, but from what I've heard from some people its hard to believe they're ranked where they are.

gLrtbHdjzESep 4, 20152 votes

You say that, but when you go against people who are actually alright at the game, when your team feeds and becomes next to useless in fights, you will get focused down and CCed to death and they will take the game. It is next to impossible to solo carry in lower elos unless you're a Masters player in the elo. Which I personally don't think I am, but that doesn't mean I'm not a decent player. A team game does not support someone trying to solo carry, which some people try and fail to do, leaving you and your 3 teammates with the aftermath of a 4v5 with their fed darius or yi to train the rest of the team.

Live2LetDieSep 4, 20153 votes

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You say that, but when you go against people who are actually alright at the game, when your team feeds and becomes next to useless in fights, you will get focused down and CCed to death and they will take the game. It is next to impossible to solo carry in lower elos unless you're a Masters player in the elo. Which I personally don't think I am, but that doesn't mean I'm not a decent player. A team game does not support someone trying to solo carry, which some people try and fail to do, leaving you and your 3 teammates with the aftermath of a 4v5 with their fed darius or yi to train the rest of the team.

But why aren't you that fed then? You say you deserve to be out of that elo then why aren't you the fed yi or darius? How is it some players can single handliy ruin your game, like a yi, constantly but you cant do that to others? Its becuase you are in the correct division where your at an equal skill level with the majority of those players. If you have close games in bronze then you are in the correct division since your going even with them.

JonesybonesSep 5, 20152 votes

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low elo ranked isnt hard

only high elo players say that. obviously.

KãtãrinãSep 5, 20151 votes

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only high elo players say that. obviously.

Well yeah cause i can keep going to low elo via smurfs and carry

JonesybonesSep 5, 20151 votes

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Well yeah cause i can keep going to low elo via smurfs and carry

So saying climbing is easy is only relative to your skill. You probally do understand why low elo players say its hard so a response saying it is easy doesn't help anyone.

KãtãrinãSep 5, 20151 votes

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So saying climbing is easy is only relative to your skill. You probally do understand why low elo players say its hard so a response saying it is easy doesn't help anyone.

Yes but they are saying "letter grade in it should affect it" well your skill does determine if you climb or don't. they just want the system to be easier.

JonesybonesSep 5, 20151 votes

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Yes but they are saying "ranking in it should affect it" well your skill does determine if you climb or don't. they just want the system to be easier.

my argument was alwasy ranked should be reserved for players who can play at a high lvl even though that is silly, it makes sense. Ranked is almost pointless to low elo players. They don't climb and the game isn't balanced around them.

KãtãrinãSep 5, 20151 votes

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my argument was alwasy ranked should be reserved for players who can play at a high lvl even though that is silly, it makes sense. Ranked is almost pointless to low elo players. They don't climb and the game isn't balanced around them.

but without them being able to "climb" how can u know if you are a high elo player?

JonesybonesSep 5, 20151 votes

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but without them being able to "climb" how can u know if you are a high elo player?

increasing normal mmr. logically your ranked mmr won't be around diamond lvl unless you are good. Even tho this idea is pretty silly, it makes sense to me.