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No matter how much you downvote me, I believe in elo hell (Warning a salty post)

LOL Spammer··5 votes·4,214 views

Streaks where you lose 4 games in a row and are the only player on your team with a possitive kda? Where you play your worst position and still do better then the rest of your team. Where the opponent is a cho gath top first pick and your team picks a tf top into it. Just stuff like that. And yes, I'm salty. How can I carry my way through bronze when the opposing team has a fed annie? Let the downvotes rain in but you can look at my match history. Almost every game I play in ranked I do well but we still manage to lose the game. Almost every ranked game I've played in that I've lost I've had either a feeder(s), afk, or troll. There has been very few games that I feel I should have legitimately lost. A wise man once told me that if you are gaining 30 lp each win that you do not belong in that league. But how do I get out of bronze if I can't win enough games to get to promos? The only reason I play ranked is because it looks bad to be in bronze. Once I get to silver I swear I am done with ranked. Normals and ARAM are so much more enjoyable just because I feel like the skill level that I play in is much higher then that of ranked. Is it just me or does that feel screwed up in some sort of way. It shouldn't feel like the competitive level of play is lower then the relaxed level of play.

55 Comments

RiotMirross13 votes

Ranked sucks when you get on a bad run of games, I hear you. When things are going bad, I try to remember that I'm only 1 of 10 people in the game. I can't take all the credit when we win, and I can't take all the blame when I lose. I try to look at a game and ask what I could have done differently to help us win. I've seen some great suggestions on this over the years, a few of my favorites are -

Did things get salty? Could I have helped steer us to a happy place? Reminding people to focus on the game, calling out good plays. Some games you're going to lose, but when you're mid has a bad start and is low on confidence, helping him or her keep their focus on the game can really turn things around.

How was the pick / ban phase? Did i learn anything about the matchup, and what would I do differently next time?

How was our shotcalling? Did i shotcall? SHOULD I have been shotcalling? I feel like a lot of games that I lose we could have won if we'd had someone seize the game and get everyone grouped for an objective? Did we stay too long at their tower after a kill and get punished?

Did i buy enough wards? :)

Last, you do need to play enough games to get to the right spot. Each season we do a soft reset on everyone, to give you a challenge in climbing back to where you deserve to be.

Good luck!

LOL Spammer2 votes

I don't know how to reply to this, I try as hard as I can to get my teammates to do well I do the best I can to do well just somehow I just lose games.

People my elo just seem to ignore pick/ban phase they barely even look at the other teams champions. Usually in pick/ban phase I am talking to myself in the chat trying to get people to tell me where they are going or what they are intending on playing so I can synergize with them.

I try to shotcall but during laning faze I am more focused on my lane then my allies lanes. I try to stay positive but when I try to shot call or tell them to not push so hard so they don't get consistently ganked and killed, whenever I do that they just rage at me and tell me to shutup. I usually just mute them and don't give them any advice for the rest of the game.

I have never been ranked before and so when I got placed into bronze 3 as usual I was upset, when I climbed out that division in like a week say I thought oh easy I can make it to silver. But then I went on my losing streak and couldn't win a game it wasn't that I wasn't doing like amazing but I wasn't the one causing the game to be lost. This was happening consistently. I just don't know what to say. I'm not good enough to carry my way out of the division but I also feel like I do not belong there.

ChimeiTekinaNasu2 votes

lol. You think you can get out in like, 4 matches?? Sir, you have only done 30 rank matches. It will probably take you about another 20 wins to get out which means about half of those wins won't matter cause of the losses to equal it out. I don't think you need to worry about Bronze until you have 100 wins and can't get out. You're 15W-15L right now which is fine.

Also, try not to continue playing on tilt. When you lose 2-4 in a row, take a little break from rank. Do a few normals until you feel re-energized for rank. Usually what I did for Bronze, was pick a champ I was really good with and constantly stomped my lane. I would continue pushing my lane if their jungler continued to ignore me, or go to mid if they're jungler came top and help push and take mid turret.

Then when team fights come, you got to figure out who fed who. Then you go for whichever enemy is more dangerous to your teammates and take them out, or try to cc them for your team to take them out. If having a hard time taking an enemy turret with all 5 of them having strong defenses, then look to see if you have minions ready at another turret to take it out and send 2-3 people while trying to keep the enemy distracted with the rest of your team.

When you're jungler, you got to always look for openings to kill the enemy. See which lane looks easiest to gank. If all are losing, see which one looks easier to help get a kill on. Sometimes just go to a lane even if you can't kill the enemy and try to make them back off. Cause sometimes when the enemy sees the jungler, they back up a bit so they don't get screwed from overextending and will give your laner some breathing room to farm more before they're forced to back.

Also, sometimes even the enemy will get cocky and stay in lane with 100hp and you can kill them even if they're 5/1 or something. Sometimes they don't stay in lane with low hp but should always look to see if they do.

LOL Spammer1 votes

Thanks for the helpful advice! I'll try to do all these things is it like normal to take like 100 games to get out of a league? I'm not being sarcastic I honestly just don't know enough about ranked to know.

ChimeiTekinaNasu1 votes

Well for me when I started rank, Bronze took me like. 70 something matches. Had about 36 rank wins, 36 rank losses. Silver 5 was crap. Had an 11 loss streak and quit rank for months last season. Then did rank a few months later and clawed my way to Silver 1. Didn't get Gold in time and dropped to Silver 2 during preseason. Which landed me Silver 4 this season cause of a couple bad matches. Silver 3 is a pain right now. Much worse than what Silver 5 was last season. I get lazy with rank though. It took one of my friends 330+ rank wins to get out of Silver and into Gold. I've only done about a hundred. Then it took my friend like 1200 total rank games to get out of Gold and into Plat. He spams rank so much more than I do.

So yeah, if you're not overly bad, you should be out of Bronze in about 100 rank games at most. One of my friends did 1866 rank games last season and ended as Bronze 5. He's done 944 rank games this season and is still Bronze 5. lol. I watch some of his matches and I find some of them interesting. Like 70 kills on both sides in 30-40mins and it's mostly about who can throw the hardest. Mostly just try not to die so much in Bronze and winning late game is more doable.

Also, try not to worry about your teammates death's early game. Like 2/3 or 2/5 is still a decent kda for Bronze and getting them a few kills will make it easier for them to make a comeback.

btw, I noticed on your masteries. Remember that Defense and Utility trees were changed a bit. =P So you have 2 points in Swiftness where Bonus Armor use to be. So 2 points in Recovery might be a bit better.

LOL Spammer1 votes

Honestly I have like an ad mastery page and a ap mastery page and then whenever I jungle I make a separate page on page 20. I don't think I've changed those first two pages since I made them. My runes are incredibly bad. I think on my ad page instead of scaling mr I have attack speed or something like that. I just make do with what I get.

WookieJesuz1 votes

Cant buy wards anymore ;-;

Deep Terror Nami6 votes

Winning lane and having great personal stats is not the same as killing the nexus. That is why LP/MMR is gained through wins and never affected by your personal score. Focus less on having a great personal score and more about controlling the objectives and ensuring the other lanes don't feed because you're too busy looking at your KDA in your own.

LOL Spammer1 votes

How do I ensure the other lanes don't feed? I can't baby sit botlane if I am top. Sure every now and then I can make a teleport play but I can't win the lane for them. I would rather have a negative kda and a win then a possitive one and a loss. I am sure as hell not focused on kda. But that seems impossible to do because not once have I been carried through a game by another teammate.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

It's not so much that you babysit them, but warding and pinging dangers to them, pressuring another lane, and asking them to not push the lane all helps them without ever actually going there. You'd be surprised how much more other players look at their map if you ping often to make them look; having little map awareness is probably reason #1 that someone stays in the lowest elo or doesn't. That's just my opinion though.

LOL Spammer2 votes

I try but map awareness isn't something you can manufacture into someone elses brain. Especially when you ping them and their like 'stfu i no wut i'm doing'

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

I ping a lot, but it's less about giving orders and more about bringing attention to something.

LOL Spammer1 votes

I don't even say anything I'll just ping once or twice.

redniwediS2 votes

You don't have to ensure anything. It's a team game, all you have to do is play your part. Sometimes that means carrying what your allies cannot. Just keep working on your ability to carry through CS, wave management, vision, and rotations and you will eventually start carrying.

Best Darius KR3 votes

There is only 1 common factor in all of those games: you

Why are you not that fed Annie that you see in your games? Hint: It's not because your team is full of noobs

Elo hell does not exist, and that's a fact. I myself have believed in it many many times, until i got my ass kicked by a diamond player who tried to coach me and opened my fucking eyes.

First, become THE perfect player, then think about complaining. You'll know better

LOL Spammer1 votes

I'll just leave this here. I encourage you to look at the wards placed stat. As the midlaner.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1899633117/208719826?tab=overview

Best Darius KR2 votes

I see you're not the perfect player, so you can't complain.

Seriously, i swept my eyes through the match and immediately noticed 4-5 things you didn't do well. Think

LOL Spammer2 votes

Name them. I know I sound cocky but really like I one shot every single player in that game and didn't give up a kill until about the 20 minute mark. My map awareness was on fleek. I was warding like crazy and pinging everything on top of that our khazix was fed as hell. But he was just trying to get kills he wasn't focusing on objectives. Everyone didn't care about objectives. They were like I'm having fun. We are going to win anyways, and kept stalling the game until our opponents regained the advantage.

VikingRaid2 votes

^ This happens all too much in Bronze. Elo hell exists, I don't know why people try to deny its existence.

And I hate it when people in general just say that they could name all those things you could have done better, without even mentioning 1 thing

Kãtãrinã1 votes

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^ This happens all too much in Bronze. Elo hell exists, I don't know why people try to deny its existence.

And I hate it when people in general just say that they could name all those things you could have done better, without even mentioning 1 thing

I'll say what i said in my edit. i don't believe in elo hell and if there "is" one each would have there own and it would be the point at which they become stuck at. AKA there current peak of skill. Elo hell wouldn't be "bronze 2" or what ever because if it was elo hell even a high skill player would get stuck, which isnt the case. Yet if you define elo hell as "your peak" then sure it exists. It is the point were you must learn more, change and adapt to become a better player.

rstytrmbone2 votes

I have seen this happen over and over also, Rather then taking the lead and pushing to victory the team wants to tdm in the jungle and fuck around for 35 min. I cant tell you how many games iv lost for the same reasons. These people will look down their nose and tell you its your fault, when in reality it is not. I think elo hell is real as fuck. They will say well you need to lead them...More often then not if you tell someone what to do it will result in a report, and dont get me started on that. Most people in bronze deserve bronze. There are very few people who understand (or at least are learning and trying to understand) the consequences their actions bear. All I can say, as a fellow bronze trapped in elo hell, is focus on your play. If you played the best you can and still lost, well that is this game in a nut shell. Soon you will get out of elo hell, keep learning, keep working. Everyone in plat has like 1000 games played. The simple truth is there will be bad players in every elo. I feel for you man, Im a support main in bronze, talk about elo hell.

Baunjo1 votes

You die a lot. Your CS is terrible ( I know the I have the same problem do not bother pointing that out ) And honestly your builds are..... Interesting..... try working on those things. Honestly you are not challenger yet, so don't say there aren't things you couldn't work on and that your team always just drags you down, keeps ya from that challenjour spot.

LOL Spammer1 votes

Honestly in a 55 minute game dying 9 times isn't terrible. Especially when all anyone cares about is kills. My builds are to work with the team comp. When your team isn't very tanky you have to build a little tanky. When you are having mana problems you have to build mana regen. I never said I deserve a spot in challenger or even gold, I just believe that I do not belong in bronze. And what is the point of csing 54 minutes into the game when you are already full build. I would rather just focus on taking objectives.

Baunjo1 votes

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Honestly in a 55 minute game dying 9 times isn't terrible. Especially when all anyone cares about is kills. My builds are to work with the team comp. When your team isn't very tanky you have to build a little tanky. When you are having mana problems you have to build mana regen. I never said I deserve a spot in challenger or even gold, I just believe that I do not belong in bronze. And what is the point of csing 54 minutes into the game when you are already full build. I would rather just focus on taking objectives.

Ok so you do think you are perfect. Well you cannot say that all of those deaths were 30+ minutes into the game. And csing well gets you to full build much faster, I NEVER said ANYTHING about csing 54 minutes into the game. I would love to explain some objective nonsense but i'm sure I would be wasting my team explaining to this future challenjour player

LOL Spammer1 votes

I never said I deserve a spot in challenger or even gold, I just believe that I do not belong in bronze.

Baunjo1 votes

Because you are under the impression that you cannot further yourself in this game and get out of bronze, you clearly belong in challenger. I know you never said you do, but you are being arrogant and thus it is very clear you belong in challenger

LOL Spammer1 votes

Right now you are being just downright rude. Get off this post please. Your advice isn't helpful.

Baunjo1 votes

You are refusing to acknowledge the truth in what I am saying, and it will leave you in bronze. Stop worrying so much about what other people are doing, you cannot change anyone but yourself. Instead focus on what you are doing wrong, such as the things several people have said you should work on and stop acting like you are above reproach. People genuinely want to help each other out, but whether you take an ounce of that advice is entirely up to you. Otherwise, stop crying about being in bronze, because you will never get out if it is everyone else's fault that you are losing.

rstytrmbone2 votes

Of course he is not perfect....he is in bronze. These kids are on high horses. IF you ward 20 times more then anyone else, Have most farm in game, And the best kda, your are not at fault for the loss....Stop talking out your ass. stop talking down to him. I bet if someone in a higher elo looked at your best game he could find 4-5 things you did wrong. Even lcs players make mistakes in games. The fact that YOU think he did something wrong, does not take away from the validity of his point. Sometimes you can not carry games. Simple as that. No matter how hard you try.

Kãtãrinã3 votes

i could probable play from bronze 5 to gold 5 Easily. Worry bout you, not everyone else maybe. play strong champions if you want i don't care i play whats fun and have gotten out of bronze countless times and even climbed silver. never ended a season under gold 5

Edit: this isn't me saying "man i'm so good" I'm just simply saying i don't believe in elo hell unless you define it as everyone has there own form of "elo hell" which is there peak skill currently and cant climb anymore or something

LOL Spammer1 votes

Honestly I don't care about your elo or what you climbed out of I'm just looking for advice.

EL HAMSTERO3 votes

you are wrong friend. if you are good enough it is very easy to get out.

i have to lose intentionally all the time to keep from promoting on my bronze account. and im not even very good! my best account is silver 3.

rstytrmbone1 votes

bullshit.

EL HAMSTERO2 votes

believe what you will, but the truth is if you are stuck in bronze then you belong there.

rstytrmbone1 votes

Post from your main account or stfu.

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

stop playing support and you would understand how easy it is.

rstytrmbone2 votes

The game needs supports to...And like I said, Post from your main account, Or your opinion is none valid. No one wants to hear what a lv 28 account has to say about ranked.

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

everyone above silver 5 knows what i say is true. you make a fool of yourself when you say it isnt.

disregardable2 votes

You need to farm and put pressure on your enemy laner's turret. Hard.

LOL Spammer1 votes

Laning faze isn't the problem.

disregardable2 votes

It is. You asked how you stop the other lanes from feeding? You get your turret at 7-8 minutes. Every game. Your enemy laner is pretty much ready to ff20 or afk. Their jungle is forced to react to you instead of ignoring it, because unlike every other sorry scrub, you're taking objectives hard. Once you do that, you go to another lane and do the same fucking thing. Then you take over their jungle.

If you can't do that, then you aren't better than your teammates or the enemy team.

I think thats what Trick2g would say anyway.

LOL Spammer1 votes

Thank you for the advice, I'll take that into consideration next time I am playing, but what should I do when I'm a devourer jungler? Just not play it? I gank as often as possible but I need to farm some times. They say gank a winning lane but what do I do when no lane is winning? I try to camp lanes but as it being bronze other lanes complain about not getting any ganks and then me having a merciful heart ganks that lane and dies.

disregardable2 votes

Camp mid. Get mid at that 7-8 minute mark. Get dragons as soon as possible. If bot and top are both losing, take the next mid tower too.

LOL Spammer1 votes

What if mid gives up first blood comes back to lane and tries to fight right away when he is down 3 levels. What do I do then? Feed their midlaner more? No I would rather just farm the jungle and get fed myself while not giving any gold to the opposing teams.

disregardable1 votes

Then you didn't gank early enough, obviously.

Linthe2 votes

Nah... You will just be back in here complaining about the silvers who think they are the shizzle because they made it out of bronze but they are just as bad or worse.

rstytrmbone1 votes

Kids like Linthe....Shake my head. Get a life kid.

Linthe1 votes

{quoted}

Kids like Linthe....Shake my head. Get a life kid.

If only you knew... how little you actually know.

ChimeiTekinaNasu1 votes

lol. I like this one. For the simple fact of what he said about Silvers. Bronze>Silver. The end. I still remember that Silver TWO Caitlyn that didn't know LW shreds armor.......................... or a pack of Silvers chasing a Singed and LB with blue buff around the entire map......... Like they didn't learn their lesson to not chase a Singed or LB all day long when they got out of Bronze??

LOL Spammer2 votes

I realize that in this post I sound stuck up and downright rude. But the meaning of this post is really not meant to say how I do well KDA wise just I do better in general. I complete more objectives place more wards do everything I feel like I should do and yet somehow we still manage to lose the game. Like when I get fed but can't do anything with it because everyone else on the opposing team is also fed.

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