How not to argue

Hyrum Graff··6 votes·1,386 views

Since we do a lot of discussion/argument on boards, here's a video to inform you about some arguments that don't hold up. It's a handy thing to be able to realize logical fallacies, and a handy tool to point people to, if they are using a logical fallacy.

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delonixdecaryi5 votes

Lol, you are only gold 3, you wouldn't know a logical fallacy if it destroyed you in lane.

acepil0t2 votes

You are gold 5 yourself and thus your argument has no real grounds.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

+1 for creativity :)

Pryotra5 votes

I find it funny when people claim "oh lol, you used X fallacy, your argument is automatically wrong!" Then I start listing theirs and they stop.

Logical fallacies don't hold up, but they don't disprove an argument either. Just because a fallacy is used doesn't mean the whole argument is automagically bunk. It just means that fallacy can be discounted.

#The More You Know

Smalltoejoe2 votes

Its like nested ad hominem.

Pryotra1 votes

I was wondering if anyone would notice.

That said, not quite. I'm not discrediting their argument, so much as I'm using a logical fallacy to counter argue their logical fallacy.

Yo dawg.

Hyrum Graff2 votes

Logical fallacies don't hold up, but they don't disprove an argument either. Just because a fallacy is used doesn't mean the whole argument is automagically bunk. It just means that fallacy can be discounted.

Totally agreed here. Which is why (caveat: depends on which fallacy it is), when I see someone use a fallacy, I usually ask some form of a "why?" question to get them to explain further, or claim I don't understand their argument and ask them to say it a different way, etc, to try to lead them in a direction away from the fallacy. If they're using the fallacy by accident, they usually don't even notice that I'm doing this, and end up making their argument without the fallacy - win on both sides - or they respond in such a way that it becomes obvious to any reader that they don't have any argument at all, at which point it's safe to ignore them.

AetherKingdom4 votes

That's not a real video

Worgslarg1 votes

? It seemed plenty real to me. The embed is working fine.

SecretAgentHulk4 votes

No True Scotsman Video is uploaded to YouTube. Real Scotsmen YouTubers use Vimeo.

Star Warden3 votes

? It seemed plenty real to me. The embed is working fine.

not sure if daft or sincerely ignorant >.>

Hyrum Graff1 votes

That's not a real video

^Think that might be more accurate :P

Kingsgrave3 votes

Ad hominem is by far the most popular one on these forums. You have any sort of argument and you will get people attacking your match history, ranking, previous posts etc.,

Worgslarg1 votes

I also see quite a lot of Strawmans and Sweeping Generalizations

Hyrum Graff1 votes

Reasons why I decided to do ranked a little. While gold isn't high elo by any means, I've certainly had to deal with less ad hominem arguments since I made it here.

Also season rewards.

Worgslarg1 votes

My favorite from a debate class I took a while back is Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

Correlation does not imply causation!

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