That's all fine and dandy with me, especially if i get an assist.
BUT DON'T TOUCH MY MINIONS.
DON'T "HELP" ME FARM (well, unless we're under tower and you really know what you are doing in preparing for my lasthit - never happens in my elo QQ)
i know this is a low elo problem but please, "SUPPORTS" please leave your ADC's farm alone!
I don't care about kills! take em all! I do care about cs!
edit: i play support more often than ADC.
NinjaToad9921 votesI'd love to. As long as the ADCs out there do this for me. If I am playing 
or 
or 
or whomever, and I'm just autoing away at the super minion, one more hit and it'll be low enough to execute, some lovely gold and health for us how wonderf-
"Oh look! My passive is up! Better last hit that super minion."
Why? Just why? Can you not see the 3 glowing orbs around me? Did you not see me attacking it? Did you not see that you are missing HP and I'm trying to heal you? Did you not see that I had been purposely saving these charges to heal you when you needed it? Did you not see the automatic message at the very start of the game TELLING you that I got a relic shield? Or did you never notice all of the times you suddenly got some gold and health?
Please, work with me here ADCs.
Jaqz5 votesThis comment, 100 times over. You are SO right about the last hitting. I've never understood why the ADC does not want to share their precious super minion when the support killing it benefits both. Nothing is lost; the reward is split. "Please work with me here ADCS" This cannot be stated enough.
There have been plenty of other threads about supports not being the "bitch" for the ADC or rushing into to die with them when they make a bad call and overextend. This just reinforces the idea of working together.
Rock Rockburgh2 votesThe reward isn't even split-- it's copied. You are literally gaining twice as much gold for letting the support kill the super minion with a relic proc instead of taking it yourself.
junglerboy164 votesI've been called a noob and CS thief so many times and have had to literally tell my ADC the exact mechanics of Targon's like they're in preschool. It is disturbing how some ADCs are totally out of it.
Siyther2 votesaint that the truth lol
Qahnaarin4 votesWhat bugs me is when my support DOESN'T use it on the cannon minion.
Terff9 votesWhat if they have a 
or one of its components (
etc.)
Aerothal8 votesWhat if they have a
obviously that's ok. as long as they know how to use it right. I'd never complain about that! there are still a ton of players who don't understand that there is a limit on your relic charges.
my main concern is when supports aa minions, causing me to miss cs while unnecessarily pushing the lane.
it's crazy how often i am forced to type "please dont aa minions". The response then often is"i only have like 5cs". as if that matters. the problem is that you hit minions at all!
Ariel the Cruel3 votesI'm just going to play Teemo's advocate here for a moment. But there ARE times when it's better for the support should be AA'ing.
Starting with the easiest:
& 
both need to AA something to get any use out of their passive. Maokai generally gets around this with Targon's. Xerath doesn't always have the option of AA'ing the enemy champions, however. so that 1 AA every 20 seconds is what allows him to maintain lane pressure.
W also procs on the support's AA. So I'll last-hit a marked minion unless told otherwise. This one is really hit-or-miss though, and is part of the reason I hate Yolo Q Kali.
The post-lvl 30 reasons: Setting up minions when farming under turret. Taking CS that would otherwise be lost for what-ever reason (normally because ADC went back).
Less obvious reasons: Freezing the minion wave when ADC isn't around. Taking minion aggro off the ADC. (if this one comes into play, you've already F'ed up bad.)
High level reasons: Pushing lane in to secure a lvl 2 advantage. Countering a heavy push. ------ If you're kog, I'm Janna, and we're VS a Sivir: you're never going to be able to freeze the wave where you want it without help. Either the jungler has to make frequent visits, or I have to speed up the last-hit process.
But then. I'm just an unranked scrub (for 4 seasons now). So what do I know? *shrugs
FHMarshy8 votesI feel for you my friend. But in all brightness, once you climb higher, supports actually know better. I've had my fair share of problems with supports attacking minions back in silver, but now i've made to plat, that problem really goes down.
Aerothal6 votesI feel for you my friend. But in all brightness, once you climb higher, supports actually know better. I've had my fair share of problems with supports attacking minions back in silver, but now i've made to plat, that problem really goes down.
so there is hope! yay
If i'd only stop sucking at this game now XD
Magma Lux Mid7 votesWhat about pushing for level 2 advantage?
I'll do that, but still watch the minions so that you can still get every last hit.
Aerothal2 votesWhat about pushing for level 2 advantage?
I'll do that, but still watch the minions so that you can still get every last hit.
this is completely legit, of course. but this already shows some knowledge of when to do what. My post is aimed at people who dont understand that cs is more important than kills and that in order to cs efficiently, you need to monitor a minions health. when i do that as adc and all of the sudden there is an unexpected aa, it often means that a cs is lost to minion damage or i will have to now use an ability instead of an auto attack to get the two low minions. It just makes micromanaging that much harder.
I still have much to learn and should actually practice cs'ing more. Its hard enough for me with a support who knows not to interfere with my lasthits!
The Chin5 votesAgreed to both. I don't care one bit who gets the kill, as long as they're out of lane it's an advantage for us.
but good god, it's amazing how much it fucks me up when they aa the minions. It messes up my whole csing flow... Not sure why but it's pretty common that I miss 4-5 in a wave when they're "helping"
Siyther1 votesapparently yall have never had the pleasure of playing with someone that thinks every kill is theirs and the entire team is just ksing lol really annoying those idiots.
Lewd Neeko5 votesOkay, so can someone explain to me why some people get all annoyed when say a jungler or support is taking cs when the mid or adc is all the way back in base? They'll be pinging caution! like a billion times.
EDIT: Thank you for the responses. Now I know that people are worried about the wave being pushed when they do that. I mean, I don't normally aa the minions or try to take creeps, it just confused me when I would they pinged caution while they are back at base when all I was doing was last hitting the minions. I wouldn't try to push.
Aerothal2 votesOkay, so can someone explain to me why some people get all annoyed when say a jungler or support is taking cs when the mid or adc is all the way back in base? They'll be pinging caution! like a billion times.
when i am back in base or somewhere else, last-hit all you want, but dont actively push, unless we know exactly where the jungler and the rest of the team is.
All i can think of is that you are aa'ing the wave, thereby pushing it, instead of wave controlling and only last hitting. in that case i'd warn ping too. nothing worse to come back to a pushed lane. now your flank is open and if you want to cs you have to overextend, opening yourself up to ganks.
NinjaToad996 votesMy issue, is I've had that when my ADC is still respawning and I'm clearing minions. When they respawn and get back the minions are hardly not at the turret, waiting for them to CS. Yet all the while I'm doing it...
CAUTION! CAUTION! TWITCH IS TELLING SONA TO RETREAT! DANGER!
And of course,
wtf stop csing
sona wtf stop killing the minions
Do you want the turret to lose half its health?
Crazycatperson1 votesJust freeze the wave outside of the turret.
Bauerbach5 votesOkay, so can someone explain to me why some people get all annoyed when say a jungler or support is taking cs when the mid or adc is all the way back in base? They'll be pinging caution! like a billion times.
well... if the lane is pushing, then theoreticlly they can get back to the front before it works its way back to the turret.
If you are just last hitting or holding the wave from reaching the turret though, they have no grounds to argue.
I play support, the most thankless job in the world, where every loss is your fault. but I do avoid CS or hero kills when possible. Sometimes it happens on accident, sometimes I feel like the fight is too close or there is a risk of escape and I dare not let up. If a CD was about to pop that could have sealed it for the ADC, my sincere apologies. In general, as I pace the enemy's retreat without attacking, the ADCs tend to recognize that I'm clearly avoiding the kill, and when it goes the other way, its for good reason.
I do also play adc... and I TRY to recognize when minion targets are going to result in 2 minions dying simultaneously. I try to break the tie for the adc to get them both. Maybe Im ruining their own plans... most ADCs are missing far more CK to their own faults anyway, and i am usually too busy with the enemy to get involved in this anyway.
i n u s e4 votesmost ADCs are missing far more CK to their own faults anyway
This right here. Most adc's are eager to jump on something -- anything -- to blame before they consider it might be their own crappy mechanics at fault. But I only play normals (I'm new and still learning my champion pool) so I'm sure it gets better in ranked...
Spacesuit Spiff4 votesYeah, that's low elo for you. I find adc miserble in every elo where most supports are totally braindead, it does get slightly better in plat.
(Also I'm curious how you reacted a year ago when relic shield came out. I had so many people throwing fits because they didn't know what it did lol).
Aerothal2 votesYeah, that's low elo for you. I find adc miserble in every elo where most supports are totally braindead, it does get slightly better in plat.
(Also I'm curious how you reacted a year ago when relic shield came out. I had so many people throwing fits because they didn't know what it did lol).
LOL For shame...i reacted like a noob. (to my defense only until i was schooled...;) I was like "WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU, STOP LAST HITTING" then my team laughed at me and shamed me in all-chat and after the game i looked it up and was ashamed!
Franco Sanchez2 votesThere was actually a point, when I took the time to explain what relic shield did for my ADC. He still raged every time I "stole" CS. So much in fact, that he ended up afk'ing over it. People are very sensitive over really stupid things.
PL554 votesSame, I could end up with 0 kills and not care (unless I am Draven) if we win the game.
Jacky Shen3 votesIf your lane is pushed all the time, buy some wards.
Aerothal3 votesIf your lane is pushed all the time, buy some wards.
the lane shouldn't be pushed all the time in the first place. wave control is pretty crucial. wards dont help you much if you are overextended, especially if there are high mobility champs around or someone with tp.
Delioth5 votesHowever, having a lane pushed means you can force the enemy to farm under turret, which is even worse in low elo than regular last hitting. If you're the support and you're keeping your lane pushed, you need to rush that sightstone, and keep one ward around drag, one in the tribush, and one in the bush closest to your own turret (you should always be in the bush farthest from your turret). When the enemy jungler comes to gank, you can walk away np or quickly turn on him alone and pick up an easy kill (esp. with Leona). And while you're pushed, you're applying pressure- which the jungler (should) will come to relieve. This means that either their jungler will get behind because of no farm or will alleviate pressure from the other lanes, as the jungler only has so much time.
Just don't consistently push until you've got a sightstone, and only when you've got a pretty aggressive/tanky support (Someone like Leona, Alistar or Sejuani. A fighter support works really well for this too; Tryndamere, Udyr, J4.)
Lord OwlBear1 votesIn addition to all the points delioth brought up, Deeper wards can help as well If you can place them safely.
Artorris1 votesAlso when the gank fails you have the chance that the enemy team starts infighting. "OMG REPORT JUNGLE NEVER GANKS" or the more popular "WHERE WERE YOU"
As a side note if you're the one typing these things they're probably gonna go help another lane. Cause why am I gonna go out of my way in you can't hold your lane and rage on me for it????
Not saying to encourage toxicity but that behavior ruins games and can cause people to make worse decisions. (Riot hook it up with that game percentage tool tip :D)
SeCKS Egai2 votesThat's all fine and dandy with me, especially if i get an assist.
BUT DON'T TOUCH MY MINIONS.
DON'T "HELP" ME FARM (well, unless we're under tower and you really know what you are doing in preparing for my lasthit - never happens in my elo QQ)
i know this is a low elo problem but please, "SUPPORTS" please leave your ADC's farm alone!
I don't care about kills! take em all! I do care about cs!
edit: i play support more often than ADC.
So true - it's one thing to auto a minion unintentionally, to proc relic, or under turret (when done properly). The rest of the time it tends to mess with the rhythm.
Budupops2 votesTrue, but 50% of adc can't last hit in low elo anyways
Aerothal2 votesTrue, but 50% of adc can't last hit in low elo anyways
ok. lets let that stand. Question though: If you are a really good adc with high mechanical skill, do you think you could maintain a decent cs count if i would mess with your flow? I mean i cant. I am not a mechanical God and it really messes me up if someone aa's minions.
Duke Anax1 votesSeriously? I feel my own minions mess my flow up way worse than the support ever could. (I main support)
Quort2 votesSee, I try to help my ADC CS under tower but most don't expect it so I still end up messing up their last hitting anyway! xD
Rikari2 votesJust came out of a game where Sona spammed her Q on minions and bitches about me being afk until 2:30 saying they are doing my job.
The Eden Pr0ject2 votesThat's a legitimate point, but if you aren't pushing for level 2 and I'm gonna get wrecked by graves leo or something, I will push if you don't. I see diamond ADCs give away the early push because they're too concerned with waiting for each minion to get low to last hit. Same thing if I'm 50g short of Sightstone or something. There are times when both people need to be attacking minions.
Also.... think of it as CS practice ;P If you can beat a really malicious support, you'll get Diamond in no time!
Franco Sanchez2 votesI understand your sentiment, but I disagree to an extent.
and we are shoving a lane, I'm definitely using W/E to utilize my passive to push.
and we are shoving a lane, I'm using my ult on those melee creeps.There are a lot of different instances where a support should "touch" creeps. Just be smart about it.
Siyther1 votessomeone that gets it lol
Space Bum1 votesWhen I play support zyra I Q the caster creeps so the ADC can take them out while the cannon minion is getting ticked down. How does this make you feel?
Aerothal2 votes[{quoted}](name=I Like Hugs,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=dQMEG0Hj,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2014-12-23T19:00:53.419+0000)
When I play support zyra I Q the caster creeps so the ADC can take them out while the cannon minion is getting ticked down. How does this make you feel?
that's fine if we want to push. but if we want to keep the wave where it is, that's not ok at all. you should ask the adc if its ok to push. as i say, i am low elo, therefore not really good. but it really helps keeping ganks down and helps you escape if you control where the wave is in lane.
Franco Sanchez1 votesActually, that's not really true. Supports are actually the ones who are in charge of dictating the lane. Good ones are typically the shot callers AND the playmakers. The ADC is more responsible to CS, and follow up on the supports calls.
Case and point, watch Aphromoo and DoubleLift. 2xLift is amazing at ADC, but he follows Aphro's calls.
Crett1 votesi play with my friend and i'm like "quit it" "quit that" "QUIT IT" and you know what he does? he laughs
Eleshakai1 votesi play with my friend and i'm like "quit it" "quit that" "QUIT IT" and you know what he does? he laughs
When I used to play with my friend he used to suggest I take a few cs so I could get my gp10 item upgraded sooner and my sightstone earlier.
Afterall, supports scale FAR better in the early game than most ADCs. Levels 1-8 supports are almost 100% what determine who win the lane. ADCs scale into the late game, but by that point the 5-10 cs you might've given up early game won't matter.
Crett2 votesWhen I used to play with my friend he used to suggest I take a few cs so I could get my gp10 item upgraded sooner and my sightstone earlier.
Afterall, supports scale FAR better in the early game than most ADCs. Levels 1-8 supports are almost 100% what determine who win the lane. ADCs scale into the late game, but by that point the 5-10 cs you might've given up early game won't matter.
It's true. Heck, I take his creeps when I supp sometimes too. What I'm actually referring to is his incessantly beating down minions and pushing the lane AND making it harder for me to last hit THAT'S what i hate
46104328_DEL1 votesI'm in between on this. On one hand, when I am a Support, I do what I can to help farm, meaning targeting other minions to bring them down to a low enough point for my ADC to last hit them, before moving to the next one, being sure to never target the ones the minions are hitting. It makes us stronger, faster, and as long as I know (along with my ADC, obviously) when to not push the lane and when to push (Warded jungle? Early game, shove that shit. No ward, no push.) I'll never understand this meta of "don't push the lane. We're totally safe, but god no, don't push." And When I'm ADC, the worst gorram thing to me is when my support sits in the bush and does nothing, only waiting for champs. I hate it, it's unhelpful, and it's the quickest way to piss me off. If you're my support, SUPPORT.
On the other hand, I do understand when unskilled supports steal CS, that's infuriating. But that comes down to a skill level, not all supports hitting minions.
DragoonRuin1 votesWhat gets me, YoLoQ Blitzcranks... and the passive on their ULT. Damn static bolts stealing my CS, it's infuriating!!!!