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Report A Player, Bad Players, And A New Way To Track Players

SuicideJ··1 votes·1,624 views

Why did we lose the Unskilled Report option? I'm tired of playing with teammates that refuse to ward/ping/communicate/use tactics/use strategy or complain/are just useless(bots would be better)/and anything else that I can imagine. I want to push these people to the bottom til they actually learn how to play. They try new champs without even researching the champ, what it can do, it's synergies, it's worst nightmares, what items to build, how to play the lane, how to control the lane, etc.

They constantly use the, "It's just normals, not ranked." How observant of them. It's also my time they are wasting as I do good and a few other teammates do good and they flop around like a Magikarp using Splash. Like seriously, 0/9/- is a terrible score that any good player that took the time to learn the game and how it works would not have gotten. Even if it's there first time with the champ. I want to know ahead of time that the player is bad and that I don't want to play with them. Kinda like a credit score, but more of a player score. If they get negative feedback then I can pass on them. If they have great feedback then I want to play with them. i want players who know how to play, not players that say, "It's just normals, not ranked." Those players are bad at this game and will continue to be bad as long as they keep that mindset.

Wins and losses don't matter if the team works together. The matches will be much more enjoyable. The ranking system is quite horrific sadly. I hoped it would be better, but Riot doesn't seem interested in improving it so we have to find other ways. This seems small but I think it could greatly improve the healthiness of the game.

Edit: Oh my bad, I didn't remember that constructive criticism or constructive ideas to make the game healthier were a bad thing. Bring forth the downvotes.. -_-

13 Comments

Randomonium2 votes

At silver everyone is unskilled. From one silver player to another, please stop complaining about unskilled players when you can't even get out of silver, it just perpetuates that stereotype that bronze/silvers are crybabies who constantly blame their team for being in low elo.

Honestly, who cares if they are bad? If you were good then you'd be able to carry them anyway. Yeah it sucks getting paired up with people who are bad and who don't know simple, basic stuff. However, you were there at one point too (probably not too long ago) so stop acting holier than thou. Its bad enough when plat/diamond players do it, we don't need silvers acting like this either.

P.S. Reporting is for people who violate the Terms of Use. Being unskilled at the game is not against the Terms of Use which is why Riot removed it from the report feature.

SuicideJ1 votes

You do realize that ranking has no bearing on how good a person is right? A good player can go down the ranking ladder due to bad teammates, unfortunate events, or just a single bad day. In order to go up, however, requires a solid team, good luck, a bad enemy team, or a ton of skill. some on both sides of the spectrum could apply. We all have our bad days. But if I destroy my opponents in a match and my team collapses, then it doesn't matter how much skill i have. I won't go up. That's the problem with the ranking system. It isn't based on how I do. It's based on my wins. Crappy teams can win by luck, doesn't mean they deserve to go up. Good teams can go down due to bad luck, doesn't mean they deserve to go down the ladder.

I've been 16/3/5 and carrying hard. My team is like dirt on the road ready to be trampled. Once they feed the enemy enough, they can destroy me or out damage turrets and objectives faster than I can. No one person can carry a bad team against a semi-decent enemy team. Won't happen.

This has nothing to do with holier than thou. This has everything to do with the terrible learning materials. I learned from players that are better than me. These people have no interest in getting better or learning. They act like twelve year olds and call you names. they claim to abstain from fault as they are amazing at 0/9/1. Even if I try to help them or give them kills on a silver platter they screw it up.

Why am I playing with people on such a lower skill level!? This is the question you, Riot, and anyone else can't answer. If they want to suck thats's fine. Put them in the lower skill level areas. Don't lump players who understand how to farm, cooperate as a team to clear objectives, etc, in the same skill level area.

Should a Cardboard 7 player be given the rank of Diamond? Should a Diamond player be put in Cardboard 7? The answer to these two questions is no. Not all players complain at high tiers like Diamond. Not all players in Bronze are terrible. But this is a team game. You go up by luck or amazing teamwork.

This is not about banning or even just reporting people. This is about an option to make it easier for players to play better. The only people who would dislike constructive criticism are those who exploit it. My idea for reporting is to tag the players with something that screams good or bad player. This prevents more DC players, less toxicity, and more communication. This should be something you are on board with not slamming!

According to your logic if you can't carry the team all by yourself (which is absurd because it is called a team), then you must suck. If that were the case I'd be down in bronze and never go anywhere because you can't carry a game 1v5 unless you can be everywhere at once or they are making absurdly bad plays.

Randomonium1 votes

P.S. Reporting is for people who violate the Terms of Use. Being unskilled at the game is not against the Terms of Use which is why Riot removed it from the report feature.

I love how you completely ignored this. Anyway, moving on to your response!

I'm going to break down how ranked works for you since obviously no one who taught you ever did. A certain percentage of your games will be unwinnable because the enemy team is just way better than your team either through raw skill, an AFK, a troll, a rager, etc. From my experience that's around 30% of games, though some people argue its as low as 20% or as high as 40%. Conversely, an equal amount of games will be guaranteed wins because your team will be way better or the enemy team will have an AFK, a troll, a rager, etc. So 30% are guaranteed loses and 30% are guaranteed wins which leaves 40% of games where your performance will have a strong influence on whether you win or lose.

This 40% of games is what determines whether you rise or fall in ranked. If you can win more than half of them your win rate will be greater than 50% and you will rise in ranked. This is why when you see Diamond players (or elo boosters) smurf in low elos they have ridiculous high win rates because they always win those game that are possible to be won (though even they have games where they lose.) You need to stop focusing on those games where you carry and lose because there's nothing you can do to change the outcome. Your focus should be on those close games where a single death or a single team fight or a single mistake can be the difference between victory and defeat.

Just looking at your match history I can see that you've mainly been playing your most popular champs (which usually means your best champs) and yet you have an average KDA of 2.44 and your averaging about 4 CS/min when you aren't playing jungle. Both those stats are not good enough for you to climb in ranked. You need to have above a 3 KDA and averaging over 5 CS/min if you want to have a shot at rising in ranked. Even in the games where you do well your damage to champions is usually one of the lowest on your team, indicating that you aren't carrying as hard as you are letting on.

You bring up all these times where you did amazing and your team did horrible but if you look at your stats on op.gg or another stats website there's nothing special about them. That's a sign that you really aren't being honest with yourself about your play. I strongly encourage you to look at other people's statistics and really see if you truly think you deserve to climb. Op.gg is a great resource for this but you can also look at lolskill.net or lol.arenaonline.com if you want to see how your performance compares to others. You can check out my stats if you want since I'm also Silver and you'll see that across the board my stats are better than yours (even though recently I've been primarily playing champions I'm not good at) and you don't see me complaining about my team. The reason for that is because I know that I'm going to win the majority of that 40% once the ranked season starts.

In conclusion, stop blaming your team for holding you back. There are thousands of good players who claw their way out of bronze and silver every day. Feel free to check out any unranked to diamond series on youtube or look at the thousands of elo boosters who can get any account to plat or diamond in a couple weeks (though I highly discourage you from getting your account boosted since its against the ToU and it can get you banned.) Right now you are in silver because you deserve to be in silver. Once you accept that fact and start improving your mechanics and decision making you will be able to rise in ranked easily.

SuicideJ1 votes

This is not about banning or even just reporting people. This is about an option to make it easier for players to play better. The only people who would dislike constructive criticism are those who exploit it. My idea for reporting is to tag the players with something that screams good or bad player. This prevents more DC players, less toxicity, and more communication. This should be something you are on board with not slamming!

I love how you ignored this..

You are saying this is a game of stats. Which means any decision you make in a match is pointless because stats will prevail. The person with a 2.44 KDA could never beat someone with say, a 13.22 KDA. Which is false. In a Match you can outplay even a pro if you know what you're doing. It's been done. Not by me, but it has been done. Pros have more knowledge, experience, and reflexes (usually) to be better than others. Doesn't mean they are gonna beat anyone in a one on one fight. It's a 5v5 match. Not a 1v1. If the outcome of the match depended on what I did top against their top, I could win more games than I lose simply because I understand my champion and they don't know how I will respond. I'll still lose matches, because there are clear counters to every champion. Playstyles can be countered. Items can be countered. This is a part of the game. I'm not arguing against that.

Just looking at your match history I can see that you've mainly been playing your most popular champs (which usually means your best champs) and yet you have an average KDA of 2.44 and your averaging about 4 CS/min when you aren't playing jungle. Both those stats are not good enough for you to climb in ranked. You need to have above a 3 KDA and averaging over 5 CS/min if you want to have a shot at rising in ranked. Even in the games where you do well your damage to champions is usually one of the lowest on your team, indicating that you aren't carrying as hard as you are letting on.

You leave out variables such as:

  1. Leaving lane to help your team.

  2. Unexpected enemies that camp.

  3. Landslide losses that turn sour early game, since that's the new thing in League. 8 minute matches. No time to do anything.

  4. Playing a champion that requires protection and gets none and gets slaughtered a ton cannot be out weighed by a champion that slaughters the enemy relentlessly in less matches. How's that for stats.

This is a team game where I can't rely on my own team to perform even sub par to where I can work around it. I don't mind losing. I mind losing because of arrogance and stupidity on the team. I criticize myself just as much as anyone else. This is all about making the game healthier. I never claimed I am infallible. I have bad games. But I will never go crazy over kills and screw my team over because I do not think. Most of my bad scores outside of ADC is because I try to help my team and it doesn't work. I have changed my playstyle and I help my team in other ways.

In conclusion, It is a team game. If we all do bad then it's prolly evened out unless we got decimated like 1/20/- then we do indeed suck and need practice. But in every sport or any activity based on team participation, the whole team is held responsible for the actions of the individuals. And the team knows it. But, if in fact, players on your team do terrible and consistently make bad decisions as the other lanes on your team do good, it's a safe bet that they are in fact unskilled and should learn how to walk (AI) before running (Normals) and definitely before sprinting (Ranked). If I can do better than my whole team on my first Ranked game with players that have hundreds of games under their belts, when I'm expecting to drag the team down because I'm new.. then there is a problem.

Randomonium1 votes

Over hundreds and hundreds of games, yes statistics take over. If you have higher CS numbers and a higher KDA over a large number of games you will have a higher win percentage. Yes in specific instances CS and KDA don't mean anything. I've had games where my KDA was ridiculously high and I lost. That doesn't matter when it comes to climbing ranked. What matters when climbing ranked is consistent performance over a large number of games.

That's the advice I'm giving you and its the same advice you'll get from any high ranked player. Its up to you whether you decide to actually listen to people who have been in your shoes and have overcomes their "horrible teams" to climb or whether you continue to blindly insist that you are right and everyone else is wrong.

I'm done with this conversation, we'll see who is a higher rank at the end of the season.

Sarutobi1 votes

Unskilled report was a farce report. You cant be ban for being bad at the game. People have bad games all the time. If people arent communicating then there is another option of reports for that.

SuicideJ1 votes

I didn't say ban them for being bad. At least move them to a lower tier of player or let us know they have a history of being a bad player. I strongly dislike the new report system. There isn't a report for each thing that could be having. I understand people just having bad games, but if you are making bad plays, decisions, or whatever the entire game you might not be having a bad game. it will be more likely you just don't know how to play and need to relearn or learn how to play again.

IRFodder1 votes

{quoted}

Why did we lose the Unskilled Report option? I'm tired of playing with teammates that refuse to ward/ping/communicate/use tactics/use strategy or complain/are just useless(bots would be better)/and anything else that I can imagine. I want to push these people to the bottom til they actually learn how to play. They try new champs without even researching the champ, what it can do, it's synergies, it's worst nightmares, what items to build, how to play the lane, how to control the lane, etc.

They constantly use the, "It's just normals, not ranked." How observant of them. It's also my time they are wasting as I do good and a few other teammates do good and they flop around like a Magikarp using Splash. Like seriously, 0/9/- is a terrible score that any good player that took the time to learn the game and how it works would not have gotten. Even if it's there first time with the champ. I want to know ahead of time that the player is bad and that I don't want to play with them. Kinda like a credit score, but more of a player score. If they get negative feedback then I can pass on them. If they have great feedback then I want to play with them. i want players who know how to play, not players that say, "It's just normals, not ranked." Those players are bad at this game and will continue to be bad as long as they keep that mindset.

Wins and losses don't matter if the team works together. The matches will be much more enjoyable. The ranking system is quite horrific sadly. I hoped it would be better, but Riot doesn't seem interested in improving it so we have to find other ways. This seems small but I think it could greatly improve the healthiness of the game.

It's just normals not ranked. Ha! Seriously how are people supposed to even think about getting better if they are not allowed to play against other people of lesser to greater skill? If you are that serious go play ranked.

"Get gud" but you are not allowed to play. Good luck :)

SuicideJ1 votes

Okay. I'll try to explain this in a way you "might" understand. I won't get my hopes up though.

There is this thing called "research." Also, this thing called "trial and error." Another thing is "team guidance."

There is so much material on how to play a champion, it is sickening that people don't use the obvious tools in front of them. Youtube, Guide sites, LoL Wiki. All these things can be used. they just aren't. I'm okay with someone failing. I'm not okay with someone repeating the same mistake over and over, despite warning that it will end badly. Which leads into the next part. If the team is pinging "get out of there", and instead you go in farther or stand there and you get jumped, you are ignoring your team. If you don't ask the team how to play or what to do then you can expect no help. Stubbornness is a poor excuse for not learning. Ego is another. If you are afraid people might disagree with you, so you mute them, you might be an idiot.

Second, Ai and custom are designed to let you try champions in order to get used to them and the pieces of the map and how they work, times, spawning and such. The tutorials are horribly pathetic and virtually useless. They don't help at all. Once you learn your champion of choice, you move into Normals. There you get real practice, against real players. The purpose of Normals is to prepare you for Ranked. So if you can't play Normals like Ranked, you're gonna have a bad time. So, "it's just Normals, not Ranked" is a pretty pathetic excuse for not knowing the game. Not acknowledging the fact that you did bad is also pathetic. I have the decency to apologize to my team if I do bad. i don't make fun of players. I give them tips, because I was given tips. It helped me learn how to be a better player.

No one in Ranked is serious. It's a joke in of itself. People actually play worse in Ranked than they do in Normals. I didn't know that was possible. Like worse than Cardboard 7.

i never say "get gud". I do not taunt. My friends want me to taunt. I do not do it. I want to see my team succeed, not necessarily see the enemy team fail. It's good sportsmanship.

IRFodder1 votes

I kind of stop reading posts when I see certain phrases as most of the time it's the same old stuff, sorry about that.

I believe in the mmr and elo system even when all my lanes are at the inhib and my lane still has both turrets at 10 min, I don't rage I don't yell at people because it's normals at the end of the day. Yesterday I was getting caught over extending, missing skill shots and miss clicking in all the games I played and was a detriment to my team every time. (thanks for the carry boyz!). I even let a vayne back into the game because of a dc and we lost lol (I felt bad I was 4 levels up). I am not good I wouldn't even call myself mediocre, I have my moments just like everyone. Being punished on top of loosing a game seems a little unfair to me, especially as it is a normal.

It's nice when everything goes perfectly, but it is also nice when you get too truly carry a game from super's on your nexus to their nexus sploding (happened twice this week, think I went 20/1/8 in one of them could be mistaken though, played allot friday and saturday).

That's just my view on this subject.

Try transitioning to ranked if you are not satisfied with normals is my advice. If you aren't that confidant yet stick with normals.

IRFodder1 votes

{quoted}

I kind of stop reading posts when I see certain phrases as most of the time it's the same old stuff, sorry about that.

I believe in the mmr and elo system even when all my lanes are at the inhib and my lane still has both turrets at 10 min, I don't rage I don't yell at people because it's normals at the end of the day. Yesterday I was getting caught over extending, missing skill shots and miss clicking in all the games I played and was a detriment to my team every time. (thanks for the carry boyz!). I even let a vayne back into the game because of a dc and we lost lol (I felt bad I was 4 levels up). I am not good I wouldn't even call myself mediocre, I have my moments just like everyone. Being punished on top of loosing a game seems a little unfair to me, especially as it is a normal.

It's nice when everything goes perfectly, but it is also nice when you get too truly carry a game from super's on your nexus to their nexus sploding (happened twice this week, think I went 20/1/8 in one of them could be mistaken though, played allot friday and saturday).

That's just my view on this subject.

Try transitioning to ranked if you are not satisfied with normals is my advice. If you aren't that confidant yet stick with normals.

But you will have to put up with inconsistent players like me :D

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

What if they were 0/9/106 support

SuicideJ1 votes

100% okay with them. A teammate dying doesn't bother me. A teammate dying without a purpose or because of stupidity does. (like hunting kills and running blindly into obvious traps)

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