The Problem with Bronze part 4: Builds

blacknerdtaku·4/20/2015, 5:38:40 PM·3 votes·740 views

Ok, I'm really tired of going through this with my teammates... If you're going to call an ally bad, at the very least have an optimal build for the situation.. Bronze players suck at builds, and counterbuilding... yes this can apply to me as well. but let me tell you guys the things im tired of seeing in sequence to get my point.

if you build a item 3085 on any adc who isnt kalista or maybe twitch , YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG if you build a item 3146 on Katarina , YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG if you go AP tank and dont have a item 3029 , YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG If the enemy team has 3 tanks, and the ADCs build item 3072 instead of item 3153 , YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG If you go support and dont have item 2045 YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG If at no point in the game you get a variation of item 3361 item 3364 oritem 3363 YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG If the enemy team is AP/CC/peel heavy and the Melee Bruiser doesnt go item 3111 YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG If you're a tank with a Health Regen or Lifesteal passive and you dont have item 3065 YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG If you build a item 3078 Late game , YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG If you (Supp, ADC, Mid or Jg) never Once buy a item 2043 for dragon early game, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG If you, the ADC (melee and ranged) knows you're behind and dont get a item 3093 YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG If they have a Akali Twitch Talon or a Teemo and NOBODY on the team has a item 3364 ... **YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG ** even better, if NOBODY on the team has item 3364 and everyone has item 3340 by the end of the game **YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG **


This list is filled ith things I commonly see in bronze, but what topped me over the edge to make this post was the Leona in this game http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1800328805/205526742?tab=overview She refused to buy a SS and replace her yellow trinket with a red lense, she refused to assist the team in vision and counter-vision, leaving me to have to get the lens for Teemo shrooms (which should be fucking obvious).

direct quote from after chat with her, when i try to relay the importance of sight stone

i honestly dont care about your mgame win streak with out a single ss in any of my support games so please complain moreatch history i was on a 6

(im not even going to try to translate that.)

Listen, supports. You're Utility. If im a damage source, i do not appreciate having to pick up on your warding slack. Ive said this in my lack of warding post, but it needs some reiteration here. Buy a Sight Stone. if you as a support at no point buy a sight stone... and then have the balls to get mad when somebody asks you to **Please Uninstall. **

But Supports arent my only call out. Know what else im tired of seeing? idiots build a item 3072 against a tank comp, then get mad when they do no damage and get killed. I hear "OMG, SO TANKY AND OP, WHY CANT I DO ANY DAMAGE TO YOU? IM ADC" well, perhaps the problem lies in the fact that you only know one build... which is sub-optimal at best. if you dont have a item 3153 as an ADC against a tank comp, then sir, go play some norms. this just means that one of our biggest damage sources is Obsolete. and if you're ahead early and wondering why you fell off so hard... it's not because we threw.

  • True story: had an ADC one game, get fed in lane, then get slaughtered. he wasnt Out of position or anything... the enemy team just lasted long enough to charge through and kill him. We all did our jobs and peeled and whatever. but at the end of the day, while he was doing more numerical damage, he wasnt doing anything effective with it. Flat damage, is flat damage. He went Insane, and blamed the rest of the team "OMG TEAM SO DUMB, WHY DONT YOU PEEL" and "Nobody does damage, this team sucks". The Kicker? he was using Bloodthirster and the enemy team had, count em, FOUR tanks and an adc. VolibearAmumuChogath Leona and Draven When I (Braum ) siggested our "poor" Sivir get a BotRK instead of a Blood thirster, she told me "dont tell me what to fucking build, n00b i won 2 games with this build". There was no reasoning, i gave up, simple. she was too concerned with blaming to see where she messed up.

  • Another true story i've seen many Katarina's building item 3146. As a Kat Mid Main, i know you should NEVER build this on her, and it hasnt been viable since what? midseason 3? Yeah, this is season 5. and worse yet? i saw people defending her when i suggested she change it. "but Kat can build it" at the end of game screen she sent me a link to a Mobafire build that was 2 seasons old, said "you're a n00b, ive been playing since season 2, dont tell me how to build" (mind you, we're both in Bronze. I'm a relatively new player that jumped in too early and fucked my MMR up recovered at the end of s4 and got thrown into B5 with season 5, whats your excuse?). yet again, She fell off toward the late game.

final story... from last game post lobby screen

blacknerdtaku: jinx blacknerdtaku: you build Botrk blacknerdtaku: they had 2 tanks JINX: you dont build bork you idiot

Notice how the scenario is exactly the same? In both the person is building sub optimally, and refuses to acknowledge it.

The moral of that story is simple, We're playing a team game. The least you can do to do your part, is build optimally for the situation. you can not just have a single build and assume every game will be good. you need flexibility, you need to know the items in the game and how they correspond to the champions you play. Above all, you need to know the key items that make that champ so OP.

Why do you rush item 3078 on so many caster oriented champs? The answer is item 3057's passive. If you're top and thats in your core build but you're being aggressed by your AD top laner then why not try item 3025 instead?

I leave you with this thought. Know at least 2 variant builds of each champion you take to ranked, and know the core items that make your champion work in the first place.

6 Comments

FHMarshy4/20/2015, 5:51:20 PM3 votes

I actually disagree with quite a few of those items and "you are doing it wrong" comments on the first part of this thread.

Metikulus4/20/2015, 5:58:18 PM1 votes

I totally agree aboutitem 3085. I see that item all the time. The only champs I ever build it on are Kalista Kayle KogMaw(only if they have 3 tanks or more). I don't see item 3146 very often. I only build it on Akali and Jax (when they have mostly squishies; if they have lots of tanks i build item 3153 instead).

Aerothal4/20/2015, 7:30:27 PM1 votes

you dont mention item 3035 against tanks. do you even adc? you dont build item 3153 on all adc's.

I have seen item 3085 on Varus to great success..

your "you're doing it wrong" list is too one sided.

I am Ollin too4/20/2015, 7:49:23 PM1 votes

(mind you, we're both in Bronze. I'm a relatively new player that jumped in too early and fucked my MMR up recovered at the end of s4 and got thrown into B5 with season 5, whats your excuse?)

I don't see why this is necessary. It doesn't exactly support the points you make, and doesn't give you prestige over the person you are trying to bash it with. You could have totally omitted and just make the point. Just sayin'.

Rinky Dinky4/20/2015, 7:51:59 PM1 votes

The reason you see Kat's getting hextech now is because it was buffed (5.2)

Someone did the math, and kat gains alot of damage with that item, on top of a respectable amount of sustain.

Jax also benefits heavily from hextech now, infact, he does more damage with hextech than bork unless the enemy has 3500+ hp