There's no such thing as a strong pick to the community anymore its either "unplayable"or"overpwerd"

WTFMatee·2/18/2015, 3:36:05 AM·39 votes·2,359 views

I've seen this shit for almost a year now. When a champion comes even close to the spotlight people want them nerfed.

Think about urgot. Awhile ago he was a strong adc pick.

Then people complained he "had no counterplay" and NEEDed a nerf.

Now people complain riot shows no love to urgot.

Serioulsy it's and endless cycle

It's probably never going to stop too because instead of waiting for people to find a counter they want instant nerf and instant gratification..

Let the vicious cycle continue

52 Comments

TehNACHO2/18/2015, 3:39:29 AM15 votes

It's just the nature of the people who come to the Boards. People who are content with how the game is and how it plays as it is now generally don't come to the Gameplay and Balance Boards, they usually have no reason to, but very loud people who have very strong opinions almost always come to the Gameplay and Balance Boards to speak out their thoughts on Gameplay and Balance, and as you've seen, it gets pretty vicious when it gets there.

'Tis why we have to remember that the Boards is not an accurate representation of the community majority, it is but a vocal minority.

Yummines2/18/2015, 7:45:21 AM7 votes

The problem is not the fact that people complain about champs being OP, it's the problem that there are certain champs you are pretty aware that Riot seems to adore and not care about any others.

See Ahri, who got almost immediate buffs after the removal of Deathfire Grasp. Meanwhile changes to other champs like Veigar and Mordekaiser are "in the works"

There are champs that I literally have not seen in at least a year (at least in normal games). Urgot, Trundle, Galio, Poppy (though my friend played her recently), Yorick, Maokai, Singed, Xerath, Anivia, Heimerdinger....

You can bet your ass that Riot puts underplayed champs on the backburner, as if they hope people will just forget them and not complain.

FyreNinja2/18/2015, 3:57:01 AM3 votes

Not to discourage you, but these exact types of posts are part of the cycle. Every once in a a while, a post complaining about the circlejerking of the boards will rise to the top, and then everyone will agree that all the boards circlejerks are cancer and annoying, then said post will disappear, and the circlejerk will continue. People just want to feel that their opinions are heard by riot, and everyone has a favorite champion that they think should perform a certain way, with certain stats (mine being yasuo/kalista) :P

Risurin2/18/2015, 6:42:36 PM3 votes

its a lot easier to come here and QQ, then to look why you have trouble with X champion and how can you fix that, most of the time its jsut better decision making :^)

Drunk Rummate2/18/2015, 3:41:02 PM3 votes

Strong picks that people are not calling for nerfs on:

Graves Morgana Janna Nami Orianna Rumble Vi Sivir Corki Caitlyn Irelia

I could continue but then people would probably start nitpicking so I'll just cut it here.

Solaxo2/18/2015, 1:29:13 PM3 votes

Except Urgot is fine.

Tin Tarantino2/18/2015, 4:10:55 PM2 votes

People just like to think that there is a huge gap between top tier and the rest, probably why people have been giving me certain champions in nemesis draft, someone assumed that giving me Yorick was a good idea a few games ago

Daen2/18/2015, 11:12:07 PM1 votes

Awhile ago he was a strong adc pick.

Then people complained he "had no counterplay" and NEEDed a nerf.

Now people complain riot shows no love to urgot.

There's a big misconception going around about this; power is not the same as counterplay. Urgot overall has low counterplay, and when he's at equal strength to other champions in his role he is absurdly frustrating to play against. He's still frustrating when he's numerically weaker, but it's less mind-numbingly terrible to face him.

Yorick is another good example. He has almost zero counterplay outside of "soak up his poke and win the duel", and when he's strong/viable it sucks to be against him. This doesn't necessarily mean he's overpowered, but he is completely anti-fun and could probably use a nerf so he doesn't continually ruin games.

One final example, Evelynn. Evelynn used to be (and somewhat still is) total bullshit. She wasn't necessarily overpowered, but the amount of frustration and playstyle altering she forced was so overwhelming that Riot decided to smash her into nonexistence until they could get around to working on her. Again, they didn't do this because she was too strong; they did this because she was too frustrating.

It's probably never going to stop too because instead of waiting for people to find a counter they want instant nerf and instant gratification..

Many of the older champions just straight up don't have counterplay, or it's unreasonably imbalanced. Blitzcrank is a pretty good example of this, because Rocket Grab's potential benefit is so far above its cost that it might as well be undodgeable. If he lands a single good hook lategame, despite missing 400 of them previously, it could singlehandedly (c wut i did thar) win the game for his team. Is he overpowered as a champion? Probably not, but he has some pain points.

CoxamusPrime2/18/2015, 11:24:56 PM1 votes

I believe your missing out on something a bit more important. The word is overnerfed. What made Urgot bullshit to play against was the range of his R which if done right just about always a win. So to remove a bad mechanic, the nerfed the skill, and then his Q, E, and W on top of it.

Marinaras Trench2/19/2015, 1:32:43 PM1 votes

There are plenty of strong picks, we just don't talk about them because we think they are fine. Only negatives are important.

Ariaflux2/18/2015, 3:38:54 AM1 votes

Not exactly true as Graves and Jixn are strong picks, way above Kalista, but they aren't being complained about much.

Dangerous Man2/19/2015, 5:29:36 PM1 votes

I don't know 1 champ that is unplayable, they're all Strong Picks or Overpowered.

thehalfrican232/18/2015, 4:55:52 AM1 votes

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I've seen this shit for almost a year now. When a champion comes even close to the spotlight people want them nerfed.

Think about urgot. Awhile ago he was a strong adc pick.

Then people complained he "had no counterplay" and NEEDed a nerf.

Now people complain riot shows no love to urgot.

Serioulsy it's and endless cycle

It's probably never going to stop too because instead of waiting for people to find a counter they want instant nerf and instant gratification..

Let the vicious cycle continue

That's how it is with most games and with that whole urgot thing his true opness lies in him being in top lane... whos fiora oh that fencer chick that has to run from these acid hunters lol Urgot is the man

warpenguin5552/18/2015, 3:35:21 PM1 votes

pretty much

Kazaashi2/18/2015, 4:06:07 PM1 votes

I think one thing no one on the boards thinks about is a concept called "Perfect Imbalance".

I'd try to sum it up, but this video does it better:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=e31OSVZF77w

Dingding1232/18/2015, 5:11:10 PM1 votes

Riot made sure of that

tainteddaze2/18/2015, 6:43:48 PM1 votes

there is a lot of strong pick currently in this game that are not overpowered. Why do you think people play so many champions. The problem here though is that the jungle is in ruins. Most champions can't do it while others that can, the very little amounts of them, control it so powerfully that there is no balance in it. The lane picks honestly aren't that imbalance zed needs to be toned down but that is cause the way they nerfed mana regen so hard core and there is ways to do this without hitting his damage in his kit. But zed isn't overpowered it just how the game shifted when riot did the huge rehaul. Lee sin on the other had is brokenly overpowered and he needs a gutting, but riot doesn't want to gut the most played champion in the game cause then they fear they will lose player base for doing it.

Junkο2/18/2015, 8:19:28 PM1 votes

Awhile ago or do you mean 3 seasons when he got nerfed like 5 patched in a row?