A Jungler isn't someone that carries your lane making sure you dont feed your ass off

WTFMatee·Jul 28, 2015·33 votes·2,738 views

They are like an extra boost. Sometimes they may not gank because other lanes are priority.

Or maybe dragon control was in their mind so they didnt go top lane.

But most importantly think of them as an addition. They may add to your lane by giving pressure or they may do it somewhere else.

But just because your jungler didn't gank does NOT give you the right to feed your ass off then blame him for not ganking.

Sure there Yi came maybe 2 times.

But guess what you have wards. And you have a support that was meant to help peel for you.

So as a message from a jungler don't blame us because we are successfully helping a lane. If your lane is lost (down 0-4 before their jungler even ganked) then me ganking and you dying is only going to give you a reason to hate me even more.

Junlgers are the new support for people to blame

Sincerely, Your jungler that got our top laner fed

35 Comments

61413860_DELJul 28, 20155 votes

I never really expect a gank, but it's really nice if I get a kill or tower with the jungler. I don't think I've ever blamed our jungler for a loss, mainly because I can't jungle for the life of me and it's the hardest thing ever.

Thanks for doing your job, A mid main.

DorkunedAurasJul 29, 20154 votes

As someone who plays everything except ADC (low fps makes kiting hard), Jungling really is the hardest. Support you keep track of 4 people + wards. Top, you keep track of 2 and about 1/3 of an eye on the map for TPs, and say fuck them when TP is on CD. Mid you keep track of 2, and occasionally roam. Jungle, you keep track of buffs, dragons, camps, all the lanes, enemy jungler, wards, you are the map. You have the most decisions to make period. Which lane to gank, whether to farm or gank or dragon or CJ or spaz out and dance etc. I salute you sir for respecting that Life as a jungler is hard.

TurquoiseYoshiJul 28, 20153 votes

The thing is, if this person is already feeding, then getting them a kill would reset their gold reward. So they would give up more gold when they (probably) die again. So getting another lane/the other lanes ahead is the better solution.

Sid88Jul 29, 20153 votes

It's not new... They've been blamed by idiots for eons...

KatCraftJul 29, 20153 votes

"jungler afk farms and doesn't assist lanes"

"ffs why are all my lanes feeding"

I understand that junglers can cop a fair amount of flack that's not deserved but I also hate junglers that aren't helping the lanes and then complains his team is shit.

MrBuffingtonJul 29, 20152 votes

If I'm playing poorly and feeding up a storm, I want my jungler to gank other lanes and get them snowballed so they can carry my tilted rear to victory. Or maybe just farm up that sated devourer or whatever and carry me themselves. That way I can stop playing the game and do something else to get me off tilt.

Same thing with buffs; I seldom take blue, even if I'm doing well; I can manage my mana/stutter step pretty well, I want you to have an efficient clear, so take that blue/red buff and do well with it, or else I'm taking it next time :3

DorkunedAurasJul 29, 20155 votes

if your jungler is pinging blue, hurry your ass over pls. Don't think about whether or not we should take it, we're telling you we've already made the choice. The jungler is in charge of the buffs, and you should thank him for the choice to share.

Also, we get shittons of mana regen just from being in combat with jungle monsters. Right now, item 1039 gives 20 mana regen/5 while in combat, which is as much as item 3165 gave before the mana regen changes. We often times don't need the mana, and you do.

T RexHasTinyArmsJul 29, 20151 votes

That's true and usually I'll say that, but some of my favorite mids (and tops for that matter) scale amazingly with CDR. Because of that I often want to cap CDR so I'm at 40% even when blue isn't on me, and often blue is legit better on a jg bc of the CDR. If you're playing Nocturne or hell even Rengar, your ult is a huge bonus to strength. I may take the second blue when you ping, but I'll let you know that by the 3rd I want you to take it or give it to someone else doing well, because by then I'll have item 3158 and item 3165 , so the CDR is wasted on me, and I'd rather get more ult ganks from you or stuns from our Annie support than be able to spam my spells. Please think about if I'm crazy or not for giving it back to you when you offer, and realize that sometimes the value of the CDR is worth more to the team on you or someone else than it is on me.

kurthl33tJul 29, 20151 votes

Well, yes, 90% of the time I agree with this completely, but I feel like I should mention that the laner usually has a better feel for the situation in the lane than the jungler. If the lane champ feels that he or she cannot leave to take blue buff, he or she MIGHT have a very good reason for that.

But yes, most of the time, if the jungler is pinging for you to get blue, you should just go get blue.

MrBuffingtonJul 29, 20151 votes

Maybe I should have specified if I'm not taking blue I'll tell the jungle I'm not taking it. Sometimes I'm against an assassin and am worried I'll just give the buff over, sometimes I'd rather just maintain lane pressure. Lots of junglers ping blue at really inopportune times for me, and I'd rather just do without and not waste the jungles time.

BladeworkedJul 29, 20152 votes

"Guess what you have wards"

I stopped reading from there.

No one in Bronze have wards, except the functional ones.

Thanks for helping me ward shit, Support Main.

ModAttysu The PoroJul 29, 20152 votes

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"Guess what you have wards"

I stopped reading from there.

No one in Bronze have wards, except the functional ones.

Thanks for helping me ward shit, Support Main.

LOL I know how you feel. I have a friend who is gold who was like "You're bronze, you're mechanically weaker because you have less experience."

I looked up his ward count and it was this:

http://i.imgur.com/gna3M7g.png[/img]

(Sorry dude I love you but... god that score.)

And then I look up my ward score as a Support Main in Bronze 5 and its like:

http://i.imgur.com/EpNUxlz.png[/img]

I'm 99% sure this website is accurate, seeing a lot of my friends use it too, here: http://wardscore.loltools.net/

It frustrates me when I go mid in a game, get upgraded trinket help support ward, and people still blame Support for lack of vision. Like you got a trinket for a reason use it.

CipseJul 29, 20151 votes

I just looked up my ward score (didn't realise they had a thing like this before) and this came up.

http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/Deah2846/media/Temp1_zpsmzmsh0ru.png.html?sort=3&o=1

I initially thought everything was good, but then...

http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/Deah2846/media/Temp2_zpstvpjbsjd.png.html?sort=3&o=0

My average wards per game is higher as a mage/tank than as a support!!!??? wut

ModAttysu The PoroJul 29, 20151 votes

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I just looked up my ward score (didn't realise they had a thing like this before) and this came up.

http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/Deah2846/media/Temp1_zpsmzmsh0ru.png.html?sort=3&o=1

I initially thought everything was good, but then...

http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/Deah2846/media/Temp2_zpstvpjbsjd.png.html?sort=3&o=0

My average wards per game is higher as a mage/tank than as a support!!!??? wut

Happens man lol

JAGMAGJul 28, 20151 votes

actually they can be that i had a panth go mid to counter me as yas and i was getting wrecked so my xin jungler camped really hard got me threw lane phase then i carried if he hadn't been their to make sure i did not feed my ass off we would have probably lost that game

DorkunedAurasJul 29, 20151 votes

But you hadn't lost lane at that point. His camping PREVENTED the feeding, behindness etc. they're talking about the lane you've ALREADY lost, before the jungler has gotten to you.

JAGMAGJul 29, 20151 votes

no i lost lane it was hopeless his camping just prevented me from falling to far behind

GankLordJul 29, 20151 votes

At that point also if your getting fked once you get your core item like Statik shiv you should have roamed and I can't stress that enough as a former mid main. Either farm under turret or roam when you see another lane with the enemy that's pushed to your allies and ping that you're coming down to gank. That's usually the best way to contribute oh and ward because if your gonna feed the least you can do is prevent your teammate for having to experience the monster you've created.

JAGMAGJul 29, 20151 votes

he was freezing
they were pushed
for whatever reason i have a hard time getting my top or bot lane responding to my ganks ill ping type it in chat ping again and they still sit back farming leaving me in a bad situation

JariJul 28, 20151 votes

Just adding this.

A good jungler knows when you're bad. It's kind of obvious when you feed 6 kills in six minutes up there in top lane. If you're doing that, I ain't coming for you. I am not Jesus(soraka), I cannot save you. I'd rather go gank bot lane where things look even, as I can break that even and put our team ahead somewhere.

T RexHasTinyArmsJul 29, 20151 votes

The only time I get frustrated is if I'm camped early and the enemy spends multiple ganks and at least 60-90 seconds getting my summoners down before killing me on the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th gank to my lane before lvl 6, AND my jungle doesn't gain and advantage during that time. If my lane is put in a stalemate or lost because of early jungle pressure and you don't get off ganks in other lanes so there is a balance of lanes being ahead or lost, take early drag, or counter jg to gain lvls and gold over their jg, then you just lost your lane the same way a lane that gets solo killed in the first 3 minutes did, and while I may not rage, that sucks.

As a side note sometimes it's just as frustrating, if not more so, when I don't lose my lane bc of jg ganks and the same thing happens. As a PSA to all jungle mains, when you hear your top lane get a double kill, please go counter jungle/take drag/gank mid/bot knowing that you can't get counter ganked. It sucks to gank for a lane, get the kill for them, then see them lose anyway. Same is true top lane, when I draw jg pressure from the enemy and don't die to it, I'm not only winning my lane, I'm helping you win yours. Please don't throw that help away because you need to take gromp after wolves while the enemy jg is dead, there is just so much more you can do with that help.

kurthl33tJul 29, 20151 votes

Well the phrasing is rather vitriolic, but I agree with the sentiment. It's not the jungler's job to win your lane. It's your job to win your lane. And that's coming from a support/adc/top main--I rarely jungle. I appreciate the help when my jungler comes and successfully ganks (and I get really annoyed when he or she just wanders vaguely into my lane, takes some farm, and leaves). But if things are going poorly in my lane, it's my job to turn things around, not the jungler's.

DazedOnlookerJul 29, 20151 votes

If they don't gank my lane if i'm struggling top, but i see them in another lane then cool! time to go nuke the enemy top jungle/river with wards/shrooms! poke more aggressively even over extend knowing the enemy jungler won't come to save his top lane, more often than not they needed the gank more than i did, i can't understand why some people think that junglers can instantaneously be there to help you whenever you need it, i just camp under turret or abandoned the turret (like a sane person), if im support and top is getting camped then cool now i can go nuke bot enemy jungle with wards!.

I like to believe that if you die..its your own fault for expecting your team mates to be gods at helping you in any way. if i'm support and i die..

my fault for not being more aware/wards
my placement was sloppy
i accidently flashed under enemy turret with 1hp
i tried to save my ADC from a jinx ult without noticing that i only had like 10hp myself
tried to save my ADC from an Ez ult by hopping in front of them..with 1hp.....i think you know how that turned out...
Not noticing that i was being focused down.
got greedy

Died top?

over extended with 40% hp
didn't notice enemy minion wave was larger than mine
accidently flashed under enemy turret with 1hp
got greedy

Its possible to go a full game with only 2 deaths without getting picked off by ganks! I have seen it soo many times! i can't always tell if it's because of skill, or luck...or because this guy NEVER leaves his lane..ever...

GankLordJul 29, 20151 votes

That being said honestly I rarely go top for the most part unless the enemy team has a really squishy top that's easy gold for me but generally I hover the mid and bot because those are the lanes that carry late and dragon which is my job to get is there and top laners are generally left alone I can tell a good top laner from a bad if on their first back whether or not they get a kill they get ward and a pink if the tri brush is on their side. My thing as a jungler is that you shouldn't expect ganks and if you don't get them then what you should hold me accountable for is getting objectives if I don't get dragons/baron and I haven't ganked your lane feel free to call me a sht jungler that being said and I cannot stress this enough "KEEP YOUR SHIT WARDED AND UPGRADE YOUR TRINKETS SO YOU WON'T HAVE TO SPEND GOLD ON WARDS AFTER LV 9" vision keeps you from getting ganked and helps us to get objectives and kills and most importantly gives you ones less champion liekly to disturb your laning phase.

tooomineJul 29, 20151 votes

adc main, I upvoted you. so true.

O Fallen ScholarJul 29, 20151 votes

OP is right. I'm tired of spoiled brats who feed their lane and blame it for junglers.

AuroramancerJul 29, 20151 votes

As someone who is smart enough to ward, not overextend, and in general not die to my lane opponent (but not kill them either), I start to go on tilt when the enemy jungler comes to my lane 4 times unsuccessfully but nobody on my team comes to help me get a lead.

I'll usually say something like "enemy jungler has been here 4 times, i need some help". For real, like, if your teammate is playing smart but they have an unfavorable matchup or they are getting camped, but they still aren't dying, they are probably worth ganking for.

Vistha KaiJul 29, 20151 votes

That's the theory.

In practice they are nothing more than a glorified paperweight.

TheVishualJul 29, 20151 votes

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They are like an extra boost. Sometimes they may not gank because other lanes are priority.

Or maybe dragon control was in their mind so they didnt go top lane.

But most importantly think of them as an addition. They may add to your lane by giving pressure or they may do it somewhere else.

But just because your jungler didn't gank does NOT give you the right to feed your ass off then blame him for not ganking.

Sure there Yi came maybe 2 times.

But guess what you have wards. And you have a support that was meant to help peel for you.

So as a message from a jungler don't blame us because we are successfully helping a lane. If your lane is lost (down 0-4 before their jungler even ganked) then me ganking and you dying is only going to give you a reason to hate me even more.

Junlgers are the new support for people to blame

Sincerely, Your jungler that got our top laner fed

Jungle's job is literally to have control of the map... the biggest thing though is keeping tabs on where the enemy jungler is. I find this is one of the skills that most people who play jungle don't have or forget to take into account and is the difference between high-elo and low-elo junglers.

It's okay to play farm style and not gank as much, but if you're top farming jungle and their jungle is ganking your bot lane and gets a double kill for the lane, you probably should have been bot to help them out. That or at least have warned them where the enemy jungle is so they can avoid the gank, you are basically the eyes for your team since you don't have to be so focused in lane. Good warding prevents this but you should help out too... This is why the best thing you can do in league is have as little deaths as possible, it's better to be down 20-30 CS than be down a kill and also 20-30 CS.

You kind of have to weigh which objectives are more important at the time, it's not always so black and white.

LowvyrJul 29, 20151 votes

I used to main Top lane at the first half of S4, but then switched to jungle. I loved it, but I got fucking abused by my laners so I stopped. Jungle is a very mentally and sometimes emotionally taxing role. You have to be like fucking Les Stroud out there. No one is looking after you. You laners at least know that I am there to help you if you need it (Usually). I'm alone in the fucking jungle. I am not required to gank you. You shouldn't need my ganks. I gank because it helps you, not because I have to. If I don't gank, it is not a reason for you to feed. I am not your personal bitch. I control the dragon and baron for you so you don't have to devote nearly as much time to warding them and taking them. So after I quit jungling I went to mid. That was fun. Talon was a VERY fun champion to stomp with. Then he got nerfed and I didn't stomp as much, but I still did good. Eventually I went back to top and then back to jungle, where I am now. I've learned to more or less ignore you if you start complaining about me. I help you more than you can imagine. Get off my dick about your loss. It wasn't my fault you lost lane, it was your fault for not warding or picking stupid fights or getting hooked by Thresh/Blitz.

I'll help you as much as I can, but bitch, I got other places to be. The jungler is VERY busy in the early game. You laners get to sit in your nice little lane and farm while I sit in the jungle and nearly get killed every 10 seconds by a monster and then find a way to scrape through to attempt to come help you.

Jungle is a very taxing and difficult role. They get tons of abuse for nothing.

Junglers aren't your bitch, stop treating them as such.

~A jungle main

PROJECT BearJul 29, 20151 votes

the only thing I can think of that really shows you're a bad jungler is if I repeatedly bring a difficult champ to lange against to less than 100hp, and they never come gank. I see the jungler taking a camp close to my lane when he could just walk 20 sec, get a kill and relieve pressure in my lane, but no. they aren't even looking at my lane just cause I'm top.

nordkingJul 29, 20151 votes

I always play ww as jungler as his R was made for it but since you need to hit lvl 6 i never ganked before i do just that, some players get angry cuz they dont want to wait few minutes and start flame but not majority thankfully

TansenJul 30, 20151 votes

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I always play ww as jungler as his R was made for it but since you need to hit lvl 6 i never ganked before i do just that, some players get angry cuz they dont want to wait few minutes and start flame but not majority thankfully

This right here makes me rage at junglers...

You don't need 6 to gank with any champ, getting a kill from a gank is not the definition of a successful gank. Pushing the enemy out of lane or even just off of cs so your laners can get ahead in a tough matchup can win the lane for them. I can't count the number of times I specifically told my jungler I need a gank or I will lose the lane and 18 minutes into the game they've never even attempted a gank let alone bothered to cover so I can at least back without losing an assload of turret hp. I always ward and do my best not to ask for assistance, but some games you just have to have a little extra help even if it is just the thought in the back of the enemies mind that the jungle might be right around the corner since he made an appearance once already.

nordkingAug 14, 20151 votes

Well to be honest if you need a gank the early you have a problem, I know some players like to play super aggressive but is it so hard to wait till level 6.

WTFMateeAug 10, 20151 votes

bump cause i had no idea my thread got so many thumbs up