Reported a different guy that said he was going to feed and then proceeded to continually run down lanes and die, 0-12 finish. Get no such notification. Why don't they punish trolls like they do flamers? I can mute a flamer. Trolls ruin the game experience for everyone much more since you can't make them go away like you can with people that get mad at said trolls.
EL HAMSTERO4 votesits difficult for a computer to tell the difference between a feeder and a bad player. they have taught it to recognize abusives now by teaching it to look for certain phrases and so they can be punished. but there is no way for it to recognize a type of gameplay.
LaceUp231 votesCompletely understood. I think with these cases, rito could easily have someone look at it, though. Also, the system should be able to detect a phrase like, "I'm going to intentionally feed". If someone gets reported by 7 players for intentionally feeding and has that phrase in their chat multiple times, I would think the system could catch it. If not, rito has developed a very meh system. They aren't going to solve the "toxicity" problem by only looking at the surface problem. Rito needs to use root cause analysis.
Jubbinaut3 votesThey do. Those cases aren't ignored, they're simply more complicated, and therefore require somewhat more time, and more data to address.
There's another aspect: sometimes those players simply don't do it very often. We tend to think of the guy that feeds in our game as a feeder - assuming that he does it often - but that's because it's our only experience with him. It's not necessarily true, and often isn't. More often, he's simply a guy who fed one time (or who feeds extremely rarely).
And much like with the occasional "verbal" outburst, Riot tries to recognize that sometimes people act like jerks because they're frustrated or irritated.
Dunkrius2g2 votesHere is the best solution to feeders/toxic/afker what not. Implement low prioirty queue in all bannable offense. If someone is in fountain waiting to surrender cuz HE fed 1 kill and said gg, consider that afk and implemet low priority queue. SOmeone toxic? do the same. Someone feeds? ban him and when he comes back give him low prioirty queue. otherwise, they will continue to feed and go away scot-free. Also if this is ranked and he is guily for any bannable offense, then the LP he lost will be increased for 100% meaning if he lost 20LP thay match, then he loses another 20. This is the solution.
SmokedAlmonds2 voteshow many people really announce they are going to intentional feed and then do though? Is it even enough to be worth this conversation?
I mean you are right that you have to start somewhere but like I said, we already know that improvements to intentional feeder detection are coming.
doiminat0r36001 votesDefine troll.
Some think of a troll as someone who picks off meta champions in off meta positions (Roaming, etc).
Others define it as someone who kill steals constantly (although it may not be their fault)
Others would go on to say that picking a certain champ (God forbid) is trolling (
etc.)
The fact is, A computer wouldnt be able to tell a troll from an actual player. They could be on someone else's account with a higher MMR than what they play at. They might also be trying but nobody is helping them and they die. Then they get called a troll and reported for "Trolling".
Does any of ^^seem fair to you? What if you had an off game or wanted to try something different and didnt do so well. Do you deserve to get reported? I dont think so.
LaceUp231 votesDefine troll.
Someone who says, "I'm going to feed" and then runs down lanes to die over and over again, ending 0-12.
doiminat0r36001 votesSomeone who says, "I'm going to feed" and then runs down lanes to die over and over again, ending 0-12.
That is called an intentional feeder and there is a report section for that.
LaceUp231 votesYou must have missed the part where I said I reported him for it. Don't sweat it, I don't hold people's reading comprehension skills against them. To clarify, my question was to ask why they don't punish trolls like they do players who "verbally abuse" the troll.
doiminat0r36001 votesThey don't punish these people because they have a reason to be somewhat mad. Someone ruins their game and nobody reported them so they don't get punished. Riot doesn't do anything (with banning) unless it is rubbed in their face. Why do you think they don't get banned for flaming a troll? Because nobody reported the flamer simply because they were on his side.
LaceUp231 votesI've seen multiple times that people were banned for flaming a troll, actually. Like I said before, my question is why they don't punish trolls like they punish players that flame trolls.
doiminat0r36002 votesWere you flaming the troll? Did you report the one flaming the troll? Did you get others to do the same?
my question is why they don't punish trolls like they punish players that flame trolls.
I understand what you are saying. I have since the beginning. But you failed to realize that I said
Someone ruins their game and nobody reported them so they don't get punished. Riot doesn't do anything (with banning) unless it is rubbed in their face.
This is simply because the community is too large to notice every single troll or flamer. You have to report everyone that you think is going against the code of conduct in League of Legends in order for anything to even happen. if you report people often and they turn out to be false, your reports are less reliable.
Let alone that one report on a player doesnt exactly mean a ban either. Think about it this way. If one person reports another, are they likely to get banned for ONE person? What if many report this person? They are much more likely to have somethng done if they get reported by MULTIPLE people.
The actual message saying that someone has been banned says "Thanks to you and your peers...", That's right. PEERS.
LaceUp231 votesNo, I understand that you said that. It just has no correlation to this at all. If I had a player that fed because they were raged at, I would have said that.
doiminat0r36001 votesYou said that they were flamed because they were feeding.
That means that youre complaining that the flamers werent being punished for flaming the feeder.
With all of that in mind, your statement was irrelevant.
LaceUp231 votesReported a different guy that said he was going to feed and then proceeded to continually run down lanes and die, 0-12 finish. Get no such notification. Why don't they punish trolls like they do flamers? I can mute a flamer. Trolls ruin the game experience for everyone much more since you can't make them go away like you can with people that get mad at said trolls.
Where did I say that? I simply said that I don't think it is fair that they don't punish people that say they are going to run down lane and feed, and then do it.
Nyctophiliac1 votesSomeone who intentionally walks into the enemy tower/team to die/feed.
It is very clear in game when this happens. x9 reports from a single case would work, but that never happens either since not everyone on the map sees it happen.
what else... Someone who is abusive in chat. But, some would take being given advice as being told what to do and so being "flamed" and raged at. This community is dead.
nerak231 votesLaceUp23 -- did the said player run down same lane and have a strange build path ? if so it's a botted account and Riot has addressed the issue and is trying to do something about it...I have also reported such things and assume Riot was going to fix and they have indeed tried.
Jubbinaut --I see you explain things so much more patiently then I ..just wanted to say that some people notice that you try to share your knowledge and If I notice it many more see it and don't coment ! ty
LaceUp231 votesNo, he wasn't a bot lol.
nerak231 votesTo clarify, my question was to ask why they don't punish trolls like they do players who "verbally abuse" they troll.
Just to be clear can you say what the difference is between 'trolls' and 'verbally abuse' -ive players ? I have my views on it but I'd like to hear yours ?
To me many times they are the same ...
LaceUp231 votesI've answered. Read if you are interested.
nerak231 votesI've answered. Read if you are interested.
:) I did read and may have misunderstood your post !
If the person says that they are going to fed and does exactly that then I feel like they should be punished !!
However, it must be in the context of the game such as : did the player screw up and give up 1st kill, get yelled at and then said what you posted ? If the person that "Fed" was belittled into it I have some sympathy for them ...
No One should play bad on purpose but the thing is human nature ;) People can verbally abuse someone into playing bad ...That is much different then a feeder or a troll..If you care to tell me the whole story I am interested :)
nerak231 votesThis is what I am saying. And I'm asking why they aren't.
In this I am in agreement, but did you read what I said about them being provoked ? If they were in no way prodded to just fed and they said " I will fed x-lane" then I am in complete agreement with you ...I have had this happen to me and it is annoying !!
If You have a game in which a person does say they are going to fed for no reason and you can copy paste it here then I will stand up and shout until we get someone to say something !!! I have had games such as this and don't know how to copy it ....However
LaceUp231 votesCan't exactly copy and paste while not in a game. I can't even figure out how to screen shot league games anyway. I hit print screen like a normal screen shot and I get a black image when copied into paint. Regardless, yes they just fed. My question is why are they not punished like someone that rages are? I'm not asking if you think it is annoying, just why they aren't punished.
Nyctophiliac1 votesHow often do you play with friends you know vs how often you play solo games.
SOLO games experience this stuff maybe 1 out of every 3/4 games?
nerak231 votesRegardless, yes they just fed. My question is why are they not punished like someone that rages are? I'm not asking if you think it is annoying, just why they aren't punished.
The simple answer is: It is harder the tell if a person throws a game on purpose then it is to tell if a person is a raging 'ASS' !!!!
The fact is that MOST people will Not come on here and say their opinion ! I believe it is easier to overcome a person who is having a bad game then one who is actually just saying nasty thing to get a kick out of it...
LaceUp23: I have been on this site for longer then most realize and I see you post a bunch ...I read what you have said and I am telling you now that you are a bit harsh to people on this board!
Let me ask you a Question ? How many times have You been reported for verbal abuse ? If you answer this I will tell you how many times I have been ..K? I Believe you are about under average for reports against you ( meaning you are in good standing ) ..I think that in game you are considered a honored player more times then not ?
LaceUp231 votesNope, telling you it isn't harder. This dude literally said he was going to feed, and then he did. How is that hard to tell? I think I've been reported a couple times...all from people who were flaming for no reason that reported everyone lol. I haven't been punished whatsoever. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, though?
SmokedAlmonds2 votesNope, telling you it isn't harder. This dude literally said he was going to feed, and then he did. How is that hard to tell? I think I've been reported a couple times...all from people who were flaming for no reason that reported everyone lol. I haven't been punished whatsoever. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, though?
Harder as in harder for an automated system to detect. You have to look at more than their score, a person doing poorly could go 0-12 so that isn't enough to
LaceUp231 votes0-12 with a "I'm going to feed" statement. Real hard.
SmokedAlmonds2 votes0-12 with a "I'm going to feed" statement. Real hard.
Yes, it is hard. You are to focused on this specific case. It has to fit every single situation with extremely limited false positives.
Plus this whole conversation is kinda pointless, we already know improvements to intentional feeder detection are coming.
LaceUp231 votesSure, it would be. But, they can start with these type of cases. Not doing anything because "it's hard to get everyone" is a pretty meh thing.
Nyctophiliac1 votesI have over 400 teamwork honours in this season. I get a little angry sometimes, yes I do. But, I am a damned good team player. And you know how often I get reported by trolls for telling them that they are being trolls. It's astounding.
nerak231 votesHow often do you play with friends you know vs how often you play solo games.
SOLO games experience this stuff maybe 1 out of every 3/4 games?
I play with someone I know about 1 in 20 games. I have more then one account I use at different times and for different reasons, so yes I understand that this is rage/ trolls/feeders etc.
There is a point I'd like to make: You Don't have to be a jerk to deal with these types of players..You can even say things back to them, as long as you do so in the confines of the TOS... Just because someone makes you mad during the game doesn't make it right to make others uncomfortable by stooping to the level of being an Ass.
Back to the point of the OP...For me as with Many others "flamers" can be much worse then an intentional feeder, for one thing it can upset people and ruin the game faster and make it more likely to go on tilt...Won't bother explaining why this is I assume everyone can figure this out...Now someone who intentionally feds because they are upset and having a bad game make the experience less then stellar but your not getting cyber bulling coming from these people (usually) .