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OMG I WENT LIKE 17/2 AND LOST, THIS ELO IS FULL OF NOOBS.

vampirekid13··61 votes·3,728 views

Except, going 17-2 doesnt show you are good. it just shows you completely demolished your lane opponent, farmed him the whole game, but he was pretty worthless after you got the first 3 kills on him. at that point your laning opponent has no chance of catching back up to you unless the game lags into the 50 minute mark where everyone is a 6 item champion anyway.

but you still lost, because while you were busy farming the baddie you were against you forgot you have a top and bottom lane as well. and they were outmatched.

you probably would of won the game if you went 8/2 instead of 17/2, and you got 3 kills on your lane opponent, then 5 others from ganks in bot and top lane.

it would of been even better if out of the 3 kills you would of gotten on your lane opponent, you would of invited your jungler to come kill him once, so your kda would be around maybe 7/2/1 at end of laning phase.

because you would of helped your jungler get a bit more gold too.

even terrible players, if given enough of a head start will stand their ground against oppresive lane opponents. but if you just farm one champion in your lane all game and expect to win because you went 17/2 its likely not going to happen.

you are 20% of the success of the game. you cant win something if you only have 20% success.

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iamthegoatofwar9 votes

If im going 17/2 in lane And still not winning that shows my teammates lack of skill...not mine.

IceKingChernobog5 votes

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If im going 17/2 in lane And still not winning that shows my teammates lack of skill...not mine.

While yes that is true. This is still a team game, if you're team mate goes like 5/1/0 with 130 cs by 19 mins they are very skilled. They would be even more skillfull if they roamed and help other lanes since their opposing laner is not worth gold anymore. "Their top lane Irelia is pushed and has 50% health. I can take her out with my laner and take tower as well." What i'm saying is that this game can't be won on individual skill alone.

iamthegoatofwar2 votes

you're not wrong but when I hit scores like that im playing people the normally can't be 1v1ed like nasus so I just stay there and shove. People on my team can't take advantage of that.

Guy Fox Teemo4 votes

No it shows your's. Because despite being overly the top fed. You failed to push your lead any further beyond kills. KDA means absolutely nothing, if you don't accomplish anything with it.

58331897_DEL8 votes

the trollbait title , i like it

Commbustion7 votes

What if you're a jungler? And you maintain a 5-8kda and over 58%Kill participation for over 100 games straight? Because that's what I've been at. Actually stuck in elo hell is possible. Even with a 56% win rate like everyone likes to throw around. -90-99lp -Shit players -Team game -Smurfs -Unranked players -People going in 2-5v1 for 20minutes straight -Afks -trolls -ragers -Elo system created for chess and not ever adjusted to league How many reasons can you give me for that elo hell doesn't exist?

Dukues2 votes

{quoted}

What if you're a jungler? And you maintain a 5-8kda and over 58%Kill participation for over 100 games straight? Because that's what I've been at. Actually stuck in elo hell is possible. Even with a 56% win rate like everyone likes to throw around. -90-99lp -Shit players -Team game -Smurfs -Unranked players -People going in 2-5v1 for 20minutes straight -Afks -trolls -ragers -Elo system created for chess and not ever adjusted to league How many reasons can you give me for that elo hell doesn't exist?

Because it doesn't. The only place it may exist is in your mind.

I understand your frustration I really do, but kda and kill participation is not everything. If you are putting up those stats then you are doing some things right. Just looking at your last loss of 7-2-21, yea your k/d/a looks amazing. But in the end you still lost. Maybe you got caught out? Maybe you starting team fights with no teammates around? To be honest I think your biggest problem is your build.

Now keep in mid, I no longer play Amumu jungle. I don't really play any tank jungles anymore. I main Elise JarvanIV Vi jungle. But the concept of jungling stays the same. Now this account I ranked to gold maining support earlier this season so don't look up my stats on here. But I just recently hit gold on this account http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=smalltomahawker maining jungle.

I understand item 3027 is the new item for ap tank junglers so that is probably fine. But your other items are item 1402 item 3151 item 3512. Now there is probably nothing wrong with zz rot but I personally feel item 1402 & item 3151 are poor choices. yes... they provide great damage. But Amumu is all about getting in the face of the enemy, ulting, and then being a tanky ass unkillable machine. At least that is how I used to play him and it seemed to work great. I just personally enjoy playing bruiser junglers more currently.

My JarvanIV record = 20W 6L = 77% win.

Vi 19W 9L = 68% win.

I actually played jungle Maokai earlier this season and my record 19W & 7L = 73% win.

The reason my account has so many games played on it is I use the account for playing dynamic queue with silver friends. I got sick of being in silver though so been playing more solo games. Anyways, the point is I am no pro or even that good at the game or jungling. But I did learn the game well enough to continuously play the game around a gold level. Once you understand the game at a certain level, you should be able to rank up to that level no matter what. I don't find jungling or playing other roles in silver difficult anymore because I understand the game better than the average silver player. While players chasing kills I am pushing lanes, taking objectives. I wait to initiate a fight until my team is ready to fight not just at random sporadic moments.

Your other problem is probably ganking too much and not farming enough. I realized recently that I tried ganking wayyyyy too much rather than focusing on farming and leveling up. Ganking is great if their is a gank open and you can get the kill or the assist. But if you keep ganking and neglect covering lanes, fully clearing your jungle, pushing open lanes then you fall behind in levels and in gold. I am still not great at this, but I focused on farming more and only ganking at opportune times and my win percentage has increased drastically.

Trust me, ranking up is difficult but focus on improving and learning the game more and it gets easier. In the past I thought it was impossible to get past silver 2. Now I realize how silly those thoughts were. I focused on improving and learning the game more and now I have three accounts in gold when I used to think reaching gold was impossible. And I know if i want to keep ranking up then the only way is by continuing to improve.

I wish you the best on your future climb.

Commbustion2 votes

My build is great for this elo, since I have to make up for damage and I still tank really hard, I also need the zzrot because If you push out a lane for 3 seconds your whole team will die because bad players will just go in outnumbered. I also need to gank a lot due to low elo. If I don't get then all lanes will feed. So I put them all ahead. I also find time to farm at the same time though. I've gotten caught out 1 time in my past 30 or so games and it was due to me trying to defend our adc that wouldn't leave a bad situation. Besides that I never get caught. In team fights I either peel for my adc if he's fed and is good or what I usually do is I distract and force 2 to 3 people out of the fight And if they step up I can just drain a couple of them if they're squishy. Works every time. The main way to carry is through team fights, you do really well in teamfights. That's where your skill is shown, but with a shit team that keeps going in outnumbered and getting picked off so there's barely any teamfights it gets kinda hard when your team won' take in advice and they suck dick :/. If they elo system was actually adjusted for a 5 man game I bet we probably wouldn't even be talking rn.

Leonerdo2 votes

Don't play for the Rank you are in, play for the one you want to be in. Don't try and make up for your bad teammates, enable the good ones. e.g. if you're the only tank on your team and your built 70% damage because "my midlane is shit, I'm the assassin now", your team no longer has a tank and you're gonna lose late-game.

Dukues2 votes

Not really sure how they would adjust the system for a 5v5 or what you exactly mean by that. As far as the Amumu jungle build your running I am sure it can work and it looks like it has been. You been winning over 60% of your games as him so I would keep playing him. I still suggest farming a little more and not caring as much about kills assist early on. Not really sure how quick Amumu can clear the jungle these days as I have not played him in awhile.

You notice yourself going on long losing streaks? One thing I did over the last year is I stopped getting super tilted. Don't get me wrong I still get mad, frustrated, etc. but if I am feeling that way or lose 2 ranked games in a row I take a break. Its just not worth playing more until your head is back to level. Following my 2 losses in a row = break rule has helped me out a lot this season. The only time I have gone on a fairly long losing streak is when playing with friends. And that is just because spamming games all day with friends even though I know we getting tilted and whatever. In reality we should take breaks but sometimes we don't and then the 6-7 game losing streaks happen and you have that much more ground to regain the next time you play.

I guess that is the nice thing about having multiple accounts now. If i get tilted but still want to play I just jump on another account and it makes the next game feel more fresh and I am not as distracted by the last game.

You have two choices my friend. Keep blaming the system and your teammates or just accept it for what it is. Your silver 3 playing with the average player base. Yea... some players good some players suck but in the end that's what you going to experience at all ranks. Some players have bad games, some troll, some d/c, some are boosted, etc. You just have to forget about that and focus on the game at hand and trying to do everything you can to win. Once you accept climbing is up to you and focusing on improving you can start playing at your full potential. It might take some time, or you might you just start playing much better and fly through gold to plat or even diamond. I know I am a slow learner so the process has taken me a long time, but other players seem to adapt quickly and can rank up quicker.

Believe me or don't that is up to you. Just trying to offer some advise as I was feeling the same way you currently are a year ago until I changed my perspective.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Yeah i experienced that on my silver smurf. Went 0/3 in lane as lb (picked her top lulz) and got immediately flamed. Few minutes later 7/3/6 oneshotting everyone. Mostly farmed up, 100 more cs than our adc... Team wanted to go baron but a double wave was pushing to our turret top tier 2 so i pushed it out to give pressure on the enemy team leaving us a window to do baron (enemy team had no vision on the baron) team just decided to go in 4v5 regardless receiving comments from ezreal "OGM LEBLANC WERE ARE U OMG TEAMFIGHT AND U GO FARM OMG 30MIN IN THE GAME AND U STILL FARM HURR DURR". Scored a double kill to atleast make it even (3for 3) and idk i was actually disturbed by what happened that they just ASSUME i'm with them even after i PINGED LEBLANC IS ON THE WAY TO TOP. They don't even look at the map or their teammates i guess they zoomed in their champ model and focus on the four buttons on their keyboard and just mash them randomly.

Fegone7 votes

would OF....

REALLY?

Leonerdo2 votes

Since you didn't make the issue clear: The correct word is "would've", which is short for "would have". I don't actually care that much though; I still understand "would of".

Fegone1 votes

It's not about understanding. You'd also understand if I said:

"They went to see they're grandmother, and ever since they've been their, there really happy."

And yet, looking at it for too long probably causes eye cancer.

Troll for Trump6 votes

If you have 17 kills, you probably roamed If it was low elo, the jgler and/or other laners probably helped too. Some games are simply uncarryable. You help your team as much as you can. They're still incompetent and lose. You do the exact same thing with new teammates, and it's a pubstomp game. Just a gamble to see who the teammates are.

Mylon Requiem3 votes

Case in point: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2258082010/47513343?tab=overview

Mal the Red4 votes

I maintain that the scoreboard should be hidden in game. It generates a significant amount of toxicity. And ultimately, it's pointless. Since it's not kills that win games.

MrryZ19 votes

But it is kills that determine how much gold your opponent has, I'd much rather know how fed they are than not.

lofi n chillhop1 votes

but how many kills an individual player has IS hidden. but team kills is globally posted, while turrets and dragons and barons are hidden.

MrryZ7 votes

Uh no offence but you DO realise you can press tab to show that stuff right? Sorry if I've misinterpreted this but it seemed to me like you're insisting that theres no way to show that

CeexSett1 votes

He was talking about the guys' idea of hiding kills.

MrryZ1 votes

Then why did he write IS surely he would write would be as in:

but how many kills an individual player has WOULD BE hidden.

CeexSett3 votes

That was his fault, but it was surely what he meant. Unless he is stupid.

Votable Jester2 votes

How long have you been on the boards?

CeexSett2 votes

Probably close to a year, why?

Wimbledofy2 votes

did u really not understand that question lol. he asked how long because you should know there are plenty of stupid people on here.

CeexSett2 votes

I understood ^^

Supreme Senpai691 votes

'Unless he is stupid.'

I don't know why but that had my dying lmao

CeexSett1 votes

Me dying*

Grammar nazi flying off

Supreme Senpai691 votes

Lmao I got 3 hour sleep and that was 24 hours ago my b.

Celestial Lion121 votes

The scoreboard is incredibly useful if your jungling if you see your top is 0/2 you might want to give him a gank but if hes 0/7 its not really worth it

Mal the Red1 votes

You should be giving them a gank regardless. This is exactly the kind of toxicity I am talking about.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

No you shouldn't. NEver gank a losing lane. You will only donate bonus gold to the enemy laner especially if it is a riven, aloha, nobunaga. If every lane is losing seek for the most beneficial e.g. who you can snowball the most. If nothing is available just try to counterjungle and make their jungle useless at least and get yourself fed.

Mal the Red1 votes

Yes you should.

You should ALWAYS gank a losing lane because no matter how fed one person on the team is, A weak link holds the whole damn team back.

sphinxthelion72 votes

All kills no push = loss. I dont how many times ive watched a team throw a game because they chased enemies around the map while ignoring turret, all the while having a large kill lead. Its frustrating.

Emerald Fang2 votes

Kill participation > Kills. Sums it up in a phrase.

Mylon Requiem1 votes

I don't know, I'm pretty sure this makes me good: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2258082010/47513343?tab=overview

tfw your team does their best to lose the game

you are 20% of the success of the game. you cant win something if you only have 20% success.

How about 49% of the success of the game? Where your team can't manage the other 2%

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Well you only bought two pinks. Didn't ward that much either. From 32k gold received you only spent 23k gold. So you'Ve been full for like what? 10-15 mins? 430 cs. Was it necessary to keep on farming? I guess you just lost the important teamfights by lack of vision or lack of action from your side maybe. In minute 25+ your team pushed and took a turret and died 4v5. For you to come and take a quadra and tower. Why not being with your team and engaging together? So two or three of yours survive and could easily push to the nexus at this time?

Mylon Requiem1 votes

Well, you tried. Unfortunately no amount of blame shifting or "constructive criticism" will help you in trying to critique a game that I was in full control of but ultimately lost due to the simple fact that this is a team-based game and REQUIRES your teammates to pull their weight in order to win (or conversely, the enemy team to NOT do so).

The Cassiopeia player on the other team propelled his team, who were actually trying to comeback and win from a massive disadvantage thanks to yours truly, to victory.

Bagguette1 votes

I stay top and take the first tower, roam and kill, but if you the only person with kills on your team (say 13/2/) and the rest of your team is just feeders so the score is 13 VS 40, How the hell can you carry that?

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

If you go 17/2/0 you have the burden of carrying all by yourself it would be much better to go 7/2/10 and let your teammates participate in kills too. Once you reached a certain point of being fed there is no need to take every fuckin kill available. Just set them up for your teammates the chance they get more tanky, deal more dmg etc increases vastly.

Bagguette1 votes

I always share kills but sometimes they die before i can give it to them

MonkeyMadness1 votes

Ok, normally I'd agree with you and say that there are much more important things than KDA. But if you are really 17/2 and still lose, something really bad happened. Either the enemy team outplayed you in a late game teamfight and ended up pushing to win on an incredible/lucky ace, or someone else (or multiple people) on your team fed pretty fkin hard. 17/2 means that not only are you getting a shitload of gold, but you also aren't giving it back by letting the enemy team get shutdown gold. Sure, maybe they got it twice, but with 17 kills that shutdown gold won't give them the edge they need to take you down. Another thing that is very likely is that there are also at least some assists with those 17 kills. It's actually kind of difficult to singlehandedly score every kill in the game, so it's like that if you really are dominating this hard, you have some assists where your teammates managed to score the last hit, and they probably have some assists on your kills as well. Bottom line is this: 90% of the time or more, if you have a KDA like this, you deserve the win, and losing is usually due to a fuck up on your team (usually 1 or more people that are not carrying their weight, resulting in roughly equal team gold).

Also, and this is very important: NEVER ACTIVELY TRY TO DONATE KILLS. THIS IS HOW YOU LOSE GAMES IN SOLO QUEUE. Unless you are in voice chat, just try to secure the kill. If you see a dot on the enemy, sure you can off and let your teammate get it, but unless you are 110% sure that the enemy is going to die, take the kill. Better to "kill steal" and have your ally get the assist then the enemy getting away. Also, there's something to be said about carrying the game on your own, especially in lower elos. If you believe you are good and that you belong in higher elo, take the kills, take the cs, get all the gold, and carry the game solo while your teammates support you. That is how pro players get out of low elo on their smurfs.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Well 90% is in low elo and 90% doesn't understand the game. Even in my elo... sadly. But many players in silver and gold do a teamfight, win and then walk from mid to top, bot or jungle and farm. When mid tier 1 turret still stands. They do that 3 times until the enemy team scaled and starts to win fights. Imagine he is a leblanc mid (early to midgame champ, snowballer) and his team totally refuses to push or take objectives? What are u going to do? Try to reason and talk to them or u can just watch how the enemy outscales you and win eventually.

MonkeyMadness1 votes

You've just proven my point though with that leblanc example. Lb cant take objectives solo, and it's not even that weird to see an lb with a score like this. In fact, this is exactly what she is designed to do. So if you do this as lb, you are doing your job 100%, and your team is failing to pull their weight.

General Esdeath 1 votes

I once went 12-4 and lost because I was Riven (I roamed but team didn't push or go for objectives after we killed their laners) and the enemy team focused me down in team fights. Got 4 kills from my lane, then roamed. Sometimes the elo is just full of people who think it's TDM.

Champion Skin1 votes

Then just play like an assassin? Stay in the back and just wait until the enemy eventually engages on your team and hopefully blow enough of their CC/damage to allow you to clean up

General Esdeath 1 votes

Malphite, Yasuo, Kindred, Cait and Sona. My team initiated every time and flamed me for not joining the first time and then again for splitting. Once they were at our inhib I joined for a 5v5 and we lost it hard. No lane but mine was pushed past T1 tower.,

JRobin311 votes

recently lost a game with S- and have lost a game with an S+ before some games are just more difficult to carry than others

by the way, a math correction: you are actually 10% of the success of the game - not all opponents are the same unless you are playing bots.

vampirekid131 votes

{quoted}

recently lost a game with S- and have lost a game with an S+ before some games are just more difficult to carry than others

by the way, a math correction: you are actually 10% of the success of the game - not all opponents are the same unless you are playing bots.

i thought really hard on whether to make that 10 or 20% in the end i opted for 20% thinking most people here wouldnt understand how i came to 10%. but yes, 10% is more correct.

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