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The League System is Arbitrary

Daen··10 votes·1,204 views

I've been trying to figure out how to articulate this for a long time, but the League System just...bothers me. I'm not referring to the switch from ELO to MMR/LP nor am I referring to the system of Bronze 5 to Challenger. This is meant to be a discussion exclusively about what you see when you click on the Leagues tab in the client.

In Seasons 1 and 2, Riot had a comprehensive overall ladder that showed exactly where each player was ranked amongst the entire community. Personally I actually liked this, but a lot of people didn't so Riot implemented the League System to make it easier to see progression. I think this system has the potential to be a really great idea, but currently I feel like it's completely arbitrary and relatively meaningless. Hear me out!

http://i.imgur.com/SEdUX1e.jpg

If you look at the above picture, you'll see the Leagues page in my profile. I'm currently in Karma's Redeemers, despite the fact I've basically never played Karma (nor do I plan to). Two of my friends from my friendlist are in Gold 5 Karma's Redeemers as well, and aside from those two friends there are 97 other random people in there with us. This is where I consider the system to be extremely arbitrary. I have never nor will I ever meet the vast majority of these players, and if I do happen to meet them in-game I won't know whether they're in Karma's Redeemers or not. They are literally just filler material at the moment and have no bearing on whether I feel like I'm progressing or not.

The second really big point of contention for me with this system is the fact that I can only look at the Tier I'm currently in, and only at the League I'm currently in. If I use the button in the upper left I can look at Gold V - Gold I of Karma's Redeemers, but nothing before or after that or in any other Leagues. A lot of my friends are in high Silver or low Platinum, but I can't use my own Leagues page to go look at where they stand. I have to go to their profile and look at their Leagues page to do it, which isn't necessarily difficult to do but it's strange that I can't just do it from my own profile. I'm a relatively competitive person, and I would really enjoy being able to look at the Diamond level of Karma's Redeemers to see what I might be up against if I improve dramatically.

This being said I think the system has a lot of potential to provide some really interesting interactions, and here are my suggestions to accomplish that!

Allow players to choose which League they're in.
I feel like this is really important. As it stands currently we have no say whatsoever in which League we're assigned to, which makes it basically worthless to have any difference between Karma's Redeemers and Vladimir's Bloodslaves. Allowing players to choose a League would let groups like colleges, clans, and guilds saturate a League with their own members for more direct and relevant competition within the organization.

Allow players to see every part of their League, from Bronze 5 to Diamond 1.
It's very hard to have a metric of competition if players can't see past their current Tier. If my goal is to hit Diamond next season, I'd like to be able to see who is in the ranks between my current location and Diamond 5, not just the Divisions in my Tier.

Just like there is currently in each Division, have an overall ladder for the League.
Each Division has a 1-100 ranking system, but there's no continuity between the Divisions. I know Riot wanted to get away from the overall ladder feel, but if it's done within each League it'd be small enough to not be overwhelming. Personally I'd really like to be able to see that I need to be ranked 550 or higher to be Diamond, and at the rank of ~1550 currently in Gold 5 I need to ascend 1000 ranks. It gives me a much clearer linear progression path.

Show which League every player in a game is a part of in Champion Select and/or the Loading Screen.
The single largest flaw with the system, in my opinion, is the fact that it's impossible to know if someone in your game is in the same League as you unless you cross-reference all their names with their profiles. Allowing players to see whether someone is in their League or not could introduce some camaraderie or even friendly rivalry. I feel like this would actually be healthy for the game, because it could potentially give people a reason to interact in a way that's not just blatant trolling.

Place emphasis on matching with/against people in your League.
I'm not sure if matchmaking already does this, but it'd be very cool if I could be matched with/against people that I see in my Leagues tab. It'd create some friendly rivalry and may even create an ethos sort of like Challenger where people recognize each other. Obviously it'd have to be a loose association since it'd be abusable otherwise, but any connection to the Leagues system is better than nothing. This point directly relates to the one above, as there needs to be a way to identify players' League affiliation before this would have any meaning.

Future: Allow some sort of organized rivalry between Leagues.
I have no idea how this might be implemented, but it'd be extremely interesting if Karma's Redeemers could face off against Vladimir's Bloodslaves in a sort of grudge match setting. Just something to think about!

I do indeed like the idea of the system, but as I've outlined I feel like there can be a lot of improvements to make Leagues actually feel like a part of the game rather than unnecessary fluff. I haven't actually been able to find anyone to discuss this with that feels the current League system offers any sort of...anything, either positive or negative. Everyone I've discussed this with feels the current League system might as well not exist for all the competitive benefit it gives. It's great to be able to see a smaller slice of the community, but the slice is just too small at the moment.

TL;DR - Just go read the bolded points, but I'd really prefer you read the explanation for each!

Thanks for reading!

  • Mr T

Edit: I'd like to elucidate something that a few people seem confused on. This is assuming that the League system is reworked to be a single League that encompasses everything from Bronze 5 to Diamond 1. Essentially there'd be a ton of different Leagues as there are now, but instead of being separated into Tiers (Gold Karma's Redeemers is completely separate from Silver Karma's Redeemers, for example) it'd be comprehensive. I hope that clears it up a bit!

44 Comments

ploki1223 votes

Allow players to choose which League they're in.

This has some problems, but overall I believe it is a must. Even if you don't give 100% choice, at least picking between a few is nearly mandatory. However, I fear it may lead to a few problems. like people failing promotions until someone in Cho'Gath's Feasters frees the spot up. Also, me and my 67 fellow karma crusaders may want some friends to talk with (68 through 25 divisions).

Allow players to see every part of their League, from Bronze 5 to Diamond 1.

Why do we even have to ask?

Just like there is currently in each Division, have an overall ladder for the League.

They removed global ladders because of the psychological stress it imposes. Basically, whenever there is a ladder, you will go down if you do nothing (since on average, the ladder goes up), and that gives the message that not playing is bad. Also, losing 56 positions because you lost because your jungler AFK'd is very painful. Losing 2 spots is meaningless (but that comes with the problem that winning 2 spots is meaningless).

Show which League every player in a game is a part of in Champion Select and/or the Loading Screen.

YES. Loading is super empty, and showing the league people are in not only removes absolutely nothing, but it may actually be positive on certain persons (aka friendly banter).

Place emphasis on matching with/against people in your League.
Future: Allow some sort of organized rivalry between Leagues. More than that, not only I would try to match people with the people in their own league (with abuse detection and escape cases), but I would hold and history of "Xleague vs Yleague" to try and match them up again in the future. That way, it starts all messed up, but as time goes on, Zed's Threshers will continuously butt heads against at least 1 Vladimir's Jinxers. This obviously opens up some abuse cases, but they're already plenty, so one more or one less...

Heck, those rivalries could even be lore-driven. What if you ended up as 2 Lux' Lightbringers, 1 Garen's Rotator and 2 Jarvan's IV's Emmisaries[sic] vs 2 Zed's Assassins, 1 Swain's Ambassador and 2 Talon's Blademasters. That created a rivalry out of thin air.

Show which League every player in a game is a part of in Champion Select and/or the Loading Screen.

I felt the need to go back on this one, since this is the biggest potential that is unexplored yet. But basically, I feel that there would be so much to do with leagues. First of all, hidden passives. If you play the champion that represents your league, you get "Avatar : This summoner is on a crusade" which gives something like +1% summoner spell effects or maybe +1 dmg vs baron. Nothing big, simply something that says "I play the champion that I represent".

Another idea, give a small highlight to players of the same league on the community... maybe an icon next to the name (like the cake day on Reddit). The point is not to have a specific goal, it's to give the possibility of doing so to players.

Another option would be to have access to an extended lore of some kind on champion you are representing. Maybe the relations he have with everyone else, or his Journal of Justice (yes plz!), or some kind of first person story... Basically, giving content and making league meaningful.

Riot... Anything... Give us anything to prove to us that Leagues have a meaning other than just dodging the ladder system's problems...

Daen2 votes

I absolutely love this reply. Like...damn. Let me go through this point by point just like you so courteously did for me!

This has some problems, but overall I believe it is a must. Even if you don't give 100% choice, at least picking between a few is nearly mandatory. However, I fear it may lead to a few problems. like people failing promotions until someone in Cho'Gath's Feasters frees the spot up. Also, me and my 67 fellow karma crusaders may want some friends to talk with (68 through 25 divisions).

I absolutely agree this is required for the system to have any real meaning. I definitely forsee potential problems, and you've outlined one of the huge ones. There'd have to be a relatively hefty rework of the system to allow for seamless transition between Leagues.

I'm not really sure how they'd do it, but there needs to be some flexibility in the size of each to accommodate a system like this. The easiest solution, honestly, would be to start the system with x number of people (lets say 2,000) in each League and not require specific numbers in each Division. It'd still fit the format and would eventually even itself out if done correctly.

I think I need to be clearer in the OP about this, but the intent is to have a League encompass everything from Bronze 5 to Diamond 1. You wouldn't just be hanging out with the people in your specific Tier, you'd be a big group of players from all skill levels.

Why do we even have to ask?

I know, right?

They removed global ladders because of the psychological stress it imposes. Basically, whenever there is a ladder, you will go down if you do nothing (since on average, the ladder goes up), and that gives the message that not playing is bad. Also, losing 56 positions because you lost because your jungler AFK'd is very painful. Losing 2 spots is meaningless (but that comes with the problem that winning 2 spots is meaningless).

OK, so this is one I wanted to touch on a bit. The thought process behind my decision here is that a League ladder would be available for people that want it but not the driving force behind the system. With 2000 people in a given League, even on the full League ladder gaining/losing 20 LP would only be a change of anywhere between about 0-20 places. That's relatively insignificant, considering that in the current system LP gains/losses result in positional change of 0-2 in each Division.

For some people it'd definitely be too much, but seeing the full League's ladder could be optional. I just feel like there's very little continuity to the system without a complete ranking system from bottom to top as it stands currently.

YES. Loading is super empty, and showing the league people are in not only removes absolutely nothing, but it may actually be positive on certain persons (aka friendly banter).

Yeeeep my thoughts exactly. I'd love to see some banter revolving around Leagues, because as it is no one even cares.

Heck, those rivalries could even be lore-driven. What if you ended up as 2 Lux' Lightbringers, 1 Garen's Rotator and 2 Jarvan's IV's Emmisaries[sic] vs 2 Zed's Assassins, 1 Swain's Ambassador and 2 Talon's Blademasters. That created a rivalry out of thin air.

This. Would be. AMAZING. Lore-driven rivalries would be fascinating, especially if relating to the champions chosen, as you said in the part below (I'm replying to that here, deal with it!). I would love to be playing a Demacian champion with another one on my team and be able to have some sort of League interaction with our champion choice, it'd be amazingly cool to have the lore be infused into the game so directly.

Continued in another post, the post limit here is so unforgiving. :(

Daen1 votes

I felt the need to go back on this one, since this is the biggest potential that is unexplored yet. But basically, I feel that there would be so much to do with leagues. First of all, hidden passives. If you play the champion that represents your league, you get "Avatar : This summoner is on a crusade" which gives something like +1% summoner spell effects or maybe +1 dmg vs baron. Nothing big, simply something that says "I play the champion that I represent".

Agreed, this would be really cool. I touched on this a bit above, but yeah. I think hidden passives or anything that changes balance might be a stretch, but some realistic interactions would be fascinating.

Another idea, give a small highlight to players of the same league on the community... maybe an icon next to the name (like the cake day on Reddit). The point is not to have a specific goal, it's to give the possibility of doing so to players.

That's pretty much what I'd love to see yeah, being able to identify with a League and have some camaraderie surrounding the system.

Thanks so much for the reply ploki, I really like everything you've said here. Some great criticisms and suggestions, as well as agreement (which is always nice...)! I'm really happy that people feel the same way about the system. I think it has so much potential but it's just being wasted because of how anemic Leagues are at the moment.

Thanks again for the feedback!

ploki1221 votes

Well, +1% summoner effect means :

  • +3 hp on barrier.
  • +1 or 2 frame(0.05s) on clairvoyance
  • +0.2% MS on ghost
  • +5 range on flash (less then 1/60th of what you travel in 1s)
  • +2 dmg on ignite
  • +5-10 dmg on smite

So basically, the only offender is smite, with ~1 thorn passive of damage.

ploki1221 votes

Replying here waiting for the next part.

Basically, I don't believe that splitting the ladder in your league would solve anything. In fact, you would probably start by moving down quite frequently without playing at first. Imagine a casual player, that just plays 3 rankeds per week on weekend. He starts 1700, 2W 1L, he ends up 1685. Next week, he is 1702, since 25 players climbed up faster than him, and 8 fell down since they had been boosted last season. 2W 1L, he ends up at 1688. Next week, he is 1694. 2W 1L, he is 1680. Next week, he is 1691, 1W 2L, he ends up 1700. So after 7 wins and 5 losses, he didn't move at all, simply because other players are playing more/faster than him (see the Wildturtle-Challenger conundrum).

Otherwise, it doesn't really fill the 2nd problem. During the latter half/quarter of the season, you will probably go on a 7-2 streak to win only a few positions... Which is pretty negligible compared to the 2k reference.

All in all, I don't believe that the ladder system offers positive psychology (and Riot is strong on the psychology side... explains rune combiner /not)

Also, I do understand how you feel about char limit, reached it a few times already.

TaintedTaint2 votes

SO a problem I see is because you can't ever lose a color, number V in ANY color is saturated with people that don't actually belong there, due to either duo queuing with a friend who is much better, or getting on a lucky game streak. So if you are always matched up with the same League players, they may lose every match, or at least the majority. That's why they use MMR, it matches you with like player abilities. That's why if you are in gold, you will sometimes see plat 5's or diamond 5's in the same game as you, or gold 5's vs Bronze players.

The choosing leagues things won't work, because groups could abuse it. Imagine you get a large enough group where others will throw the game just to boost their friends. Bad people ruining it for the rest of us.

Same problem kind of for showing which league players are in on champ selection. I would love it, but the jerks in the game will ruin it, by trolling and being overall rude when they see a lower division on their team. "ZOMG I AM GOLD 3 AND THIS OTHER GUY IS GOLD 5. GG WE LOSE". We get enough of that with Lolking spammers.

HOWEVER I do love the matchups between leagues. if there could be a way to emphasize camaraderie in leagues... that could be cool.

Daen5 votes

Most of this comment makes it look like you didn't actually read the thread. I'm referring exclusively to the League organization system, not the Bronze 5 - Diamond 1 system.

Choosing Leagues would only result in a soft matchmaking preference, not hard. I assume it'd be tough to keep from abuse though, sure.

The Division identifier is not what I want to show in Champion Select. What I would want to have there would be an icon that says I'm in Karma's Redeemers and a teammate is in Vladimir's Bloodslaves.

TaintedTaint1 votes

I promise I read it, I just had the mindset of divisions not leagues >.<

That seems pretty neat then, I would like to see Karma's Redeemers and of the like, even though it doesn't mean anything, it might put a mask on the meaninglessness.

Mindworm Jim2 votes

How about if when matchmaking set up a game it selected two Leagues to form the teams and then filled each team with players from the appropriate League? You could see which League you were matched up against, and you would get to know the players in your League around the same MMR as you because you would play alongside them a lot.

It has a lot of holes (Leagues would probably need to be much bigger to prevent queue times from being absurd), but it would be kind of fun.

Daen1 votes

This is what I would eventually love to see from a system like this. It would be tough to implement in a way that doesn't screw with balance and queue times, but it'd be really fun to play games in this sense. It's still technically solo queue, but you may know the people on your team similar to how Challenger works.

LargerJackolope1 votes

You brought up some great points. However, I think it would be hard for them to implement some sort of organized rivalries, and that I don't believe that one league is from bronze 5- diamond 1. What I mean by this is that I'm in fiddlestick's cutthroats but I don't think there is that same league in bronze, silver, plat or diamond, so I don't think it would be possible to view then entire league, unless they re-did way leagues are organized. Besides these two points, I really like this idea, and would love to see it added to the game!

Daen1 votes

The organized rivalries thing is sort of an idea I wanted to post just to see what people thought. I don't feel like it's necessary to the way the League system works at all, but it could be fun.

I think you're right about League organization, and this might take some reworking on that front but honestly I feel like it'd be a really valuable thing to do. Thanks for the feedback!

Fawlty1 votes

I agree, the league system is broken, and was a horrible idea.

Daen1 votes

Eh I wouldn't go that far, it definitely has its problems though...

HughMyronbrough1 votes

I'm just pissed off that I'm in "Ryze's Emmissaries [sic]" and Riot didn't even spell "Emissaries" correctly.

nosafterburn1 votes

There are alot of interesting points in this thread. I would be happy to see some inter-League comradery.

also as a side note obligatory "I pity da fool!" thanks.

Daen1 votes

Sorry for the delayed reply, this kinda got lost. In general I really do want to see some of that camaraderie and rivalry, I think it'd be really healthy for the game.

Fools be pitied! :P

nosafterburn1 votes

I agree.

Cerbearus1 votes

Well you can see an overall ladder lolsummoners.com is really nice

Cerbearus1 votes

Also, remember that Riot is reworking the league system right now for season 4 so hold your breath and hope they have touched on some of these points

TSM Ashe1 votes

I agree with most of the points here, but I'd rather not be stuck in Corki's Witchhunters then progress to Corki's Urfriders, then to Corki's... you get the point lol. Maybe it's just me.

I do like the idea of being able to see who's in what division before you load the game up but I feel like if I saw like a guy in diamond before the game even started I'd go in to panic mode.

Daen1 votes

As I said to someone else the goal isn't to show Divisions, it's to show Leagues. As in being able to see that you're in Karma's Redeemers, one of your teammates is also in Karma's Redeemers, two others are in Corki's Urfriders, and the last is in Vladimir's Bloodslaves.

Gonsea1 votes

The league system is not a evaluation player's skill tool. It's a surgar candy system to give people false achivement and keep playing. What is the point of being in Platinum with other 100 people when it queued you with 4 other player from another league.

MMR still decide everything. If a Platinum player grouped with a Silver I since their MMR was so low, then what is the meaning of being Platinum?

F*ck the system, man

Daen1 votes

Again, not referring to Divisions. Leagues and Divisions are completely different.

Gonsea1 votes

It's league, I'm not talking about Gold I queue with Gold V, it's Plat 3 in the same team with Silver 2, and it not even a duo queue.

Daen1 votes

Umm...let's see how I can rephrase this. The OP is discussing improvements to the organization of let's say Karma's Redeemers. It's about the system that organizes random players together in the arbitrary Leagues. It literally doesn't matter whether I'm in Karma's Redeemers or Amumu's Lonelymummies. THAT is what this thread is addressing, not Division levels.

I do care about the fact that the MMR system is pretty odd (and questionably broken), but that's not what this thread is discussing.

Gonsea1 votes

I known what you mean, people in same Karma's Redeemer should have more interaction with others, they should be "matter", right?

My point is why care about that when you was queued with players outside your tier(out-of-your-league) whenever the matchmaking feel it a bit too long?

And would you want to see some asshole from your League over and over again, since you guys have same MMR and got no one else in your League to replace?

Daen1 votes

The goal is to have Karma's Redeemers be a single League that encompasses everything from Bronze 5 - Diamond 1. Currently each Tier is completely separate, but I'm proposing having each League extend over everything.

I assume the ignore function would work similarly, where you could add someone to ignore and there's a soft filter to stop them from being in your games. I wouldn't want it to be a hard filter to make everyone in one League play together, but at least a minor amount of priority could be really valuable in my opinion.

Gonsea1 votes

For short: it is a pre-required for people to only queued in their own tier, or have a option to choose from.

The change you want is not gonna happen in SS4, if they haven't made it already.

But yeah, good idea. 5 player in Talon's Warrior again 5 player from Teemo's Mushroom. Sound like a holy war to me.

Daen1 votes

See the answer above, a lot applies to this comment as well!

Honestly it would be a possibility to see in S4, the preseason will likely be a few months long and then the season itself would be another year. It doesn't directly influence gameplay in any way except to potentially increase community interaction and add continuity to the LEague system, imo.

Thanks for the feedback! In an optimal situation I would LOVE to see "faction wars" so to speak between Leagues, I think that could produce some really healthy rivalry and competition.

Gonsea1 votes

I would love to go around and bait some Red into your thread(lol) if you can rephase and shorten your statements . They are lazy to read as everyone here. Short up the reason, highlight those ideas, that what should be done, 1 screen long at most.

I planning to make a thread , @xenath and everyone else (parrot too, easy catch) then refer to this thread. Well, lame but worth it.

Daen1 votes

I feel my statements are as short as they can realistically be while fully articulating my points, but I'll work on it. I'd love to see some Reds here to tell me if I'm full of crap or not, at least it's acknowledgement! :P

@IronStylus Leona is a fatty. I mean...what?

ploki1221 votes

Your chances are nil...

  1. It's something that is being actively worked on.
  2. It's being worked on by people that are seldom posting on the forum (probably Lyte/Davin working on it since the start of S3 along with Builder).
  3. It's on the community.
  4. It's specific enough that most unrelated personsrioters wouldn't want to comment since they don't really have anything to say about it.

I'd love to be wrong, but don't get your hopes too up.

Daen1 votes

Oh I assume so, but it's always worth an attempt. :P

ploki1221 votes

I'd suggest against it... First, it's Xelnath (or Xel'Nath). And second, thread spamming is frowned upon and actually accomplish nothing since they probably won't search their names as much on this platform, and a non-popular thread (aka mass posts) won't reach the top.

Daen1 votes

By the way, if the goal is to just make a thread with the express purpose of linking to this one I don't recommend it. It'd just be seen as spam, unfortunately. I appreciate the thought though!

Zóló1 votes

Letting people choose their league, then putting emphasis on facing people in your league, that's a problem. It takes out the main priority of equal skill of people playing at once. The games population isn't big enough for this specific part of your idea to work yet. Other than that, I love what you had to say, and support it.

Daen1 votes

The game's population is ~30 million people. If that's not large enough I don't know what is.

Thanks for the positive feedback though! :)

Zóló1 votes

32 million people, divide that up into group with people on a similar skill level, lets use silver 2 - gold 5 as an example. Say 15 million people are there. (Over-estimating) Then usually there's 3 million people on a day. okay that'd be around 1 million people between silver 2 - gold 5 on in one day. Now time a 24 hour period, peaks and crashes, different regions grouped together to avoid ping problems. Not to mention that 30million around the world not just in one server at a time. Now divide ALL of that up in leagues, then try to say that matching them up against people near ur league even ... I dont even want to finish writing this lol. Basically you're left with maybe 400 potential people to be qued with. Who may or may not be near your skill level. Oh my god I'm so tired. Lol. Let me try to make this a diagram.

League 30,000,000 People

NA Server 10,000,000 People

Online Daily 1,000,000 People

Between Silver 2 - Gold 5 100,000

Actually Queuing For Ranked At Any Given Time 1,000

People In Your "Rengar's Piligars" (Random Example Max 300 (100 + 100 + 100)(S2-G5)

I have no idea how many random different 'leagues' there are, but you get my point, there would never be enough people in your league on near your skill level, queing for ranked, for a reasonable que time for everyone.

Think about how this would impact diamond players? They'd have 30 hour wait times instead of 30 minute.

Combine the 'picking and choosing' aspect, and the havock of que times is wreacked.

Daen1 votes

I don't really think that League placement should have anything to do with locality. With decent internet ping doesn't increase by that much even over a distance of 2500 miles.

Also keep in mind the goal would be a soft filter. Not a hard filter. The way a soft filter works, it prefers to put you with a certain subset of the population. After x amount of time trying to put you with that subset, it moves on to a larger subset.

To my knowledge it actually already prefers to match you with your Leaguemates, but it's so hard to see who is in what League that it basically doesn't matter.

Invisible Man1 votes

I like making the idea of making the competitive system more interactive. It's healthier to provide some way for players to connect and compete while being able to familiarize themselves with one another. Otherwise you feel like you're only playing with complete strangers and therefore are more likely to see toxic behavior from a bunch of people you don't know.

Daen1 votes

Full agreement!

TheVoiceofExile1 votes

Allow players to choose which League they're in.

I believe the League itself has some relevance to the average skill of the players among it at the moment. So something like this (as far as I know) would not be possible. However if I am incorrect and skill has nothing to do with what League you are placed in, then I'd be all for this or even forcing friends all into the same League. Problem with that is not every friend has the same friends list, so some sort of comparison of people on people's friend's list would need to happen.

Allow players to see every part of their League, from Bronze 5 to Diamond 1.

I can't believe they didn't do this before. All else fails at least make a League encompass Bronze 5->Diamond 1.

Just like there is currently in each Division, have an overall ladder for the League.

I wouldn't include something like this in game. Maybe as an online ladder for those who care about it (and I do), so that we have access to this information. I'd like to have a ladder back, even if it is just to fed my ego.

--Show which League every player in a game is a part of in Champion Select and/or the Loading Screen.

--Place emphasis on matching with/against people in your League.

I feel as these would go hand in hand. If entire teams are comprised of members of the same League there could be a fancy "Karma's Redeemers vs Vladimir's Bloodslaves" on loading screen. It's the small things I like to be honest :3

Future: Allow some sort of organized rivalry between Leagues.

Yes. In particular lore related rivalries.

Overall I agree with everything you've suggested, but I could see problems evolving from some of it due to the way things work now days.

Daen1 votes

I believe the League itself has some relevance to the average skill of the players among it at the moment.

To my knowledge this is false, but don't quote me on that!

However if I am incorrect and skill has nothing to do with what League you are placed in, then I'd be all for this or even forcing friends all into the same League

To an extent this already happens. The League System prefers to group friends together, but as you said not every friend has the same friends list so you end up with some really weird groupings.

I can't believe they didn't do this before. All else fails at least make a League encompass Bronze 5->Diamond 1.

Me neither. Like I'm legitimately shocked they didn't, it seems like common sense.

I feel as these would go hand in hand. If entire teams are comprised of members of the same League there could be a fancy "Karma's Redeemers vs Vladimir's Bloodslaves" on loading screen. It's the small things I like to be honest :3

I agree, it'd be a lot of fun. These little tiny changes could make some huge differences in the community in my opinion.

Overall I agree with everything you've suggested, but I could see problems evolving from some of it due to the way things work now days.

What sorts of problems specifically outside of the ones you've outlined?

Thanks for your post! :)

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