Simple. What champion should I get next? Mostly looking at either Graves or Quinn, but I'm open to other suggestions :p I'd get Quinn in a heartbeat but she has... problems. Graves is a strong ADC and he's pretty fun and has significantly less problems so.
RiotRectifyer5 votes
the Anarchit3cht1 votesI don't like Draven because he is all AA based more or less with a super awkward ultimate for an otherwise AA based kit.
RiotRectifyer3 votesDraven excels at two things:
1.) High amounts of burst damage. With Stand Aside, Draven can cancel Autos from enemy champions and can his combo of axe auto > Stand Aside > Axe Auto is almost always guaranteed.
2.) Forcing enemies out of position or into a position that can benefit your team. This is where his ultimate comes into play. When Draven casts Whirling Death can be a strong factor in how a team fight can play out. Often times, I like to cast it early on in a team fight to try and re-position the enemy team in a direction I want them to. Almost always, people will try to dodge out of the way of this skill. This can lead into an easily secured Stand Aside almost guaranteeing the rest of the fight for the team. If you do not have Whirling Death, at the start, you can use it to secure kills as the enemy team is running.
the Anarchit3cht2 votesNever thought of it that way! It seems like it'd require lots of practice. That must be what all those Dravens that just seem to stomp my entire team do. You are quite the persuasive one.
RiotRectifyer2 votesHe has a high skill cap! Give it some time and you'll find your groove with him!
AhhShucks2 votesThe real skill to Draven is to not get distracted by the Axes. They lead where you are moving, so other than in the laning phase you almost never even have to think about catching them. Most Dravens fail by getting to caught up in the Axe minigame and let them themselves get wrecked by all the other stuff going on they lost track of.
GaleWinUnleashed1 votesDraven is indeed very difficult to play properly. But when you do, you'll find he nearly the highest possible DPS in the game, second only to Vayne. And Draven offers much more zone control and area damage than Vayne.
Shinjusuke3 votesIf you're getting Quinn, get her knowing she's not an ADC, she's a fighter/assassin with an ADCs range.
Play her as a top laner, jungler (my preference, she's fantastic in the jungle), or even mid laner and you can excel. Trying to force her to be an ADC when her kit doesn't support it is why people think she has "problems". The only reason people insist she's an ADC is because she has range most of the time and Riot says in her profile that she's an ADC.
If you tried to force Nasus into being an ADC he'd have problems too.
That said, if you're looking for a strong ADC for bot lane, Draven and Graves are great. Quinn's a jungler or top laner.
the Anarchit3cht2 votesNo, she's an ADC. The problems she has are a buggy blind that doesn't work when it hits, a buggy vault that misplaces you, a clunky AA animation that will cancel even tho the arrow is halfway to your target. A passive that doesn't proc properly within her attack range. It's because of those last 3 really that she can't see play as an ADC. She'd be a really strong ADC if not for that. You're fighting an opponent and they start to run? Turn to Valor, jump on their face and finish the kill with your AOE execute.
Shinjusuke2 votesIf you're just going to make a thread to say "no you're wrong", don't make at thread asking questions.
It's not only silly and a waste of people's time, it just shows impractical dogmatism.
That said, she's not a bot lane ADC in the traditional sense, at least as far as the-meta-for-every-minute-since-she's-been-in-the-game is concerned.
She has an ADC's autoattack range, which, go figure, is just about all the definition it takes to be an adc (ranged physical attacks). That's basically the cutoff point for when she goes from being a "traditional marksmen" into being a Fighter/Assassin based on your build, as literally every aspect of her kit and her playstyle supports a Fighter or an Assassin far more than a bot lane marksman like Caitlyn or Vayne.
But hey, y'know, by all means, plug your ears and ignore what successful Quinn players do. Nobody's gonna stop ya. Just know you'll be vastly less effective than any traditional adc in bot, and look extra silly making a thread about which champion to get when you just say "nah you're wrong" to people trying to help stop you from making a bad choice based on misinformation.
Best of luck to ya, hope you don't get kicked out of too many Team Builder rooms for insisting on taking Quinn bot lane :)
GG Beers2 votesQuinn Can be played as ADC 100%, I have a friend who only plays quinne bot and stomps pretty much every game with her. Yes, she can be played top, yes she can be played jungle, but she's a great counter to AA dependant ADCs like cait, vayne, mf or the new trist. Her ult is lackluster for sure in most situations but her blind and her vault make her hard to dive and gank.
Ptarlorr1 votesHas the preseason helped Quinn out in the jungle much? I heard it was a thing a few months back.
Shinjusuke1 votesHonestly, here's the thing:
Lee Sin and Jarvan and Vi are stupidly strong in the jungle, as they always have been and always will be because Riot is perfectly content to completely ignore the fundamental problems in their design (and the stranglehold they have on jungle viability, particularly in Lee Sin's case) because they're flashy. For some reason, looking flashy and having fans completely excuses you from real balance changes and reworks.
however, if you look beyond the "OP jungle trio" as you might call them, the next issue you encounter is people saying "omigod jungle is way too hard now". This is something I pretty much disagree with. I think the only reason people think the jungle is "harder" now (speaking as a jungle main who's played League since it's release) is because they're either forgetful, or spoiled by the jungle of the last couple seasons.
Making the jungle as hard as it is now is something many of us jungle "veterans" actually begged Riot to do last season. This is because, back in Season 1, and Season 2 (to a lesser extent) the jungle was super hard. If you think people struggle now, imagine a jungle where literally the only viable (as in "only ones who can even remotely clear a route let alone gank) junglers were like Master Yi, Warwick, Xin Zhao and Nunu. Season 1 jungle OP yo.
Over time in the interest of opening up jungle viability, Riot made the jungle easier and easier (with Lee Sin being a dominating pick shutting out most champions from the jungle and Riot acting all confused), culminating in what we had with the "spirit stone era" of jungling, where you could jungle a damned Urgot and be effective. Riot then created an almost whiplash-like effect with their most recent rework of the jungle, such that the only junglers who maintained the same effectiveness (almost) were, (big surprise) the "OP jungle trio".
The result is this recent wave of "wahhhhh jungle 3hard5me", and the fact that Lee/Vi/J4's ridiculous amount of power is incredibly apparent now, as it's hard to get more obvious that you're too powerful than "hey, everyone but these 3 champions is struggling super hard while they barely break a sweat". I'm not saying the jungle doesn't have a horribly unfavorable risk/reward ratio for junglers right now (unless you're one of those 3), I'm just saying it sucks for all the junglers just about equally so it doesn't really matter for any of them (again, unless you're one of those 3).
Now, the entire point of that whole shebang of a story was to say that Quinn's kit is about as ideal for a "jungle ADC" as you're ever going to get. It's just damned near everything you'd want. As such, I'm a firm believer that the jungle should be Quinn's "main" role. Regardless of whether the preseason helped her out in the jungle or not, the fact is unless you're playing one of the "OP jungle trio" champions, your effectiveness is basically irrelevant, as by comparison to those 3, all the junglers kinda suck. Doesn't really matter if you're in 27th or 42nd place in a 2minute dash if there's 50 places and only the top 3 get rewarded or have discrepancies in finish-times bigger than a few seconds, does it?
The TL:DR is if you wanna do Quinn jungle, I say it's easily her best spot and every jungler who isn't Lee/Vi/J4 is having a shitty time in the jungle anyway, so why not play her in the jungle?
Ptarlorr1 votesGuess I've been living under a rock or something, but I've heard very few complaints about Vi dominating after halfway through S4. The Lee/Jarvan showdown must've drowned her out I guess.
So Quinn's as good as anyone else? Maybe I'll try her out with Smite then.
aaronconlin2 votesI'd say 
, sure she has some issues and is lacking as an AD Carry, but you can take her Top-Lane and dominate if you don't want to ADC
Ptarlorr2 votesQuinn's a ton of fun to play and rather underrated. As long as you're not trying to go Plat, pick Quinn.
ZylotheWolfbane2 votesGraves is probably my favorite ADC honestly, because to me he feels a lot more like an AD caster in most cases than an actual AD Carry, and I like that. He can dash in, blow all his spells, and if he doesn't immediately blow someone up, he can get pretty close. He excels in extended trades as well thanks to his passive, and his dash giving extra AS. He's a good ADC all around, and if you're at all interested in the ADC role, I'd say you should definitely pick him up. Also, he's a fun ADC to try and take mid-lane thanks to his heavy burst potential against squishy mids, which is always fun :D
Keep in mind, I'm terrible at League, and spend most of my time playing ARAM, instead of say, Normals, or Ranked, just as a warning that my advice may not be the most useful, or accurate.
GaleWinUnleashed1 votesHe certainly works very well for the fast-paced ARAM teamfights and poke-heavy sieging.
GaleWinUnleashed2 votesFor the current meta, go ahead and take Graves. High burst, good utility, a dash/attack speed steroid, and inherently more tankiness than any other marksman thanks to his passive. There's nothing wrong with Quinn from a theoretical standpoint, but she still has some nasty bugs and is trickier to play than most.
But also, it's more fun to pick champions that aren't as popular. If you want to have more fun with cool plays, pick Quinn.
Aatrox Herself1 votes because people play 
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Delphinium1 votesJinx, Vayne, Ezreal,
AMYS GRAVE1 votesmy favorite ADCs are 
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to be fun to play but she takes some getting used to.
between the two you asked i would go with , he fits a bit better in the meta right now, good burst, good dps, and gets tankier through teamfights which means he is a bit forgiving if you get out of position for a moment.