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Two ADCs, One Awesome One Awful

FarRockBF··58 votes·3,878 views

EDIT: Was not ranked. She was silver, had one plat and 2 gold on team

Game 1:

I take Annie support and announce to Graves : "Dear Graves, I will most likely be stealing many kills but I promise to not touch your CS and that we will completely wreck bot lane."

He says: "Fine by me just don't do anything dumb". Laning phase ends with me being 6/0/3 and him 3/0/4. He is happy and keeps chatting in all chat "NEW META: GRAVES SUPPORT".

Game 2:

I take Blitzcrank and make a similar announcement to MissFortune . She doesn't respond. Two minutes into laning she starts chatting

Her: "Hey Blitz, can you please freakin hook someone already?" Me: "That would be a bad idea, Draven is hiding behind their Braum ".

A few minutes later I notice mid is missing so rush to dragon to see if they are attempting an early drag and they are. I ping MissFortune , hook their mid laner and start pounding on him. MissFortune comes and starts shooting. Their jungler and ADC join the fight; I get 6 and ult; killing their mid laner.

MissFortune : "Jesus this Blitzcrank never hooks and then steals my kill. What a noob, probably bronze 5 or something."

She continues the harass all game despite us having an equal KDA and me being a support.

My point? I had FUN the first game and was pretty miserable the second game. I am not a fan of mute because part of the fun in LoL for me is the social interaction.

TLDR; when you are toxic you are going to make you and your teammate have a far less enjoyable game. Cheer up and play for fun.

61 Comments

Purple Packet27 votes

{quoted} MissFortune : "Jesus this Blitzcrank never hooks and then steals my kill. What a noob, probably bronze 5 or something."

Dang, she stuffed the "Blitzcrank Never Hooks," "Kill Stealer," "Most Likely a Noob," and "Incompetent Bronze 5 Dweller" arguments into a single statement.

Someone, give this lady a medal.

A bronze medal. With a "5" inscribed on it.

S H A Y C 07 votes

i agree with everything except the "play for fun bit" if its ranked...were playing to win, normals is for fun ranked is for try hard panties full throttle.

redniwediS52 votes

There are two groups of people who play ranked: Those who play to win and those who play for competition.

Those who play to win are only interested in winning. There's no sportsmanship between them and the enemy team, all is fair. This group has fun when they are winning, either entire games or simply their own role within a given match.

Those who play for competition are only interested in testing their skill. They ideally want an even fight between each team, and have the most fun when it's a close game. Someone in this group wouldn't necessarily be opposed to an easy win, however they would prefer a close match over a stomp. They are typically less bothered by a loss than the group that plays for wins.

Now, this applies directly to your post because of one thing: Both of these groups have fun. They have different ideas of what is fun, but as this is a game they are both here to have fun. Fun doesn't always mean dicking around and doing things like ultimate bravery. Fun simply means you find something entertaining.

Ranked is in fact for fun, however it is not casual like Normals are.

S H A Y C 02 votes

Ok...but in both of your scenarios "doing your absolute best" to "win" is involved in the "fun" i may not have explained the minutia, but i pretty much said the same thing. its a competition, and the people that partake should be putting forth their best effort to win the competition, even if they dont have a chance in hell. In this aspect "Playing for fun" and "trying to win", while not entirely mutually exclusive as you stated, are a different priority. Winning should be the #1 goal...for both of your "types of ranked players" it actually is their number one goal, "Attempt to win" one has fun only when they win, the other has fun even when they try really hard, but both Q up with every intention on getting the "W"

The issue i have is the people that play with Fun as their goal, and are not trying to win - which is contradictory to the majority of their team as we both have now stated.

redniwediS5 votes

I actually view it the other way around, with fun being the main goal and either winning or competition being the means to that end. Both groups want to win, however winning is not why they attempt that particular goal in this particular video game.

I guess the main issue I have is when people use fun and casual as synonyms, which they are clearly not.

S H A Y C 01 votes

thats wonderful... my main issue is with people that fully understand what someone is trying to say, probably agree with it, and argue with them for the sake of arguing...

since youre clearly an english major:

Fun Idioms 6. for /in fun, as a joke; not seriously; playfully:

Informal. whimsical; flamboyant:

something that provides mirth or amusement: A picnic would be fun.

mirth

noun 1. gaiety or jollity, especially when accompanied by laughter: the excitement and mirth of the holiday season. 2. amusement or laughter: He was unable to conceal his mirth.

Competition noun 1. the act of competing; rivalry for supremacy, a prize, etc.: The competition between the two teams was bitter. 2. a contest for some prize, honor, or advantage: Both girls entered the competition. 3. the rivalry offered by a competitor: The small merchant gets powerful competition from the chain stores. 4. a competitor or competitors: What is your competition offering?

according to the dictionary they are seemingly unrelated, but that is actually beside the point. you know fully the spirit and meaning behind what i said and instead of joining the topic you "troll"

redniwediS11 votes

What I said what I disagree with part of your post. I then stated what I think. If you want to call me a troll over that fine, I think we're done here either way.

ShaftyMegee1 votes

You must have spent loads of time on that post xD.

S H A Y C 01 votes

copy / paste...and a couple sentences. so no.

Sinlaire1 votes

i do ranked when i play to win. why? because i want to climb the ladder.

the point isn't to win though. the point is the competition i ranked. if i can come out ahead, i deserve the win i sought. if not then i deserve my position in the ranking ladder. and i believe that's the way ranked is "supposed" to be.

H0riz0n2341 votes

Not true in some part. The ones that play for competitive take their loses if its deserved. If you have a feeding mid or a player that cant use their champion its no fun at all. Then your less testing your skill and more trying not to die or recover from your enemies mistake. If I play a competitive game I want the playing field leveled or else its just not fair.

PalPlays1 votes

{quoted}

There are two groups of people who play ranked: Those who play to win and those who play for competition.

Those who play to win are only interested in winning. There's no sportsmanship between them and the enemy team, all is fair. This group has fun when they are winning, either entire games or simply their own role within a given match.

Those who play for competition are only interested in testing their skill. They ideally want an even fight between each team, and have the most fun when it's a close game. Someone in this group wouldn't necessarily be opposed to an easy win, however they would prefer a close match over a stomp. They are typically less bothered by a loss than the group that plays for wins.

Now, this applies directly to your post because of one thing: Both of these groups have fun. They have different ideas of what is fun, but as this is a game they are both here to have fun. Fun doesn't always mean dicking around and doing things like ultimate bravery. Fun simply means you find something entertaining.

Ranked is in fact for fun, however it is not casual like Normals are.

What about the third group? The one that has fun being competitive...

redniwediS1 votes

That would be the second group. The fourth paragraph talks about how both groups are here to have fun, they just have it in different ways.

PalPlays1 votes

{quoted}

That would be the second group. The fourth paragraph talks about how both groups are here to have fun, they just have it in different ways.

Oops, missed that part.

PL551 votes

I've surprisingly had fewer tryhards in ranked that in normals. After playing a lot of ranked I've been relaxed in normal games, but not my teammates when I tell them I'm only trying to have fun, I get told I'm only saying that because I suck. In the past month I've had like five people tell me to kill myself in normals and one in ranked. People need to chill.

Mikal Pikal1 votes

Would you not agree that most people play better when having fun than they do when frustrated that their team is harassing them? I know I play worse when distracted and frustrated than when everyone is working together and getting along.

S H A Y C 01 votes

i read it described best in another post on the same contention with casual ranked players. There is a vast difference between playing with the priority of having fun, and having fun while prioritizing winning. Playing for fun and having fun while playing are different things. The issue the OP and I for that matter have, is the people who join the ranked Q to simply have fun and remove the trying to win aspect from the fun.

Occams Raiser5 votes

These silly fights over who is trying to win or not. Only with millennials and the rise of not having to pay in the arcade did this conversation start. No one ever said I am playing to have fun and I don't care whether I win or lose. Almost no one was toxic in the arcade and he wasn't going to say shit anyway. You were standing next to him. He would vent towards the game not picking up his movements. Every now and then you would get a guy that said "you only going to use that one move?" We would all laugh at him and he knew from then on that that was a stupid question.

We were all "tryhards" but we had honor. You didn't throw in the arcade. Literally or figuratively. Now we have philosophical debates about whether someone is trying too hard or are they playing for fun or to win. Like these propositions are mutually exclusive. Oh I wish I could take some you trolls back in time with me. It would be glorious. The glorious beating we would give you if you touched our side of the game thinking it was funny.

We all think video games are fun that is why we play them. Next question, are you trying to win? Anyone who says no has merely decided to lose from the beginning. That has always been loser mentality. If you are winning and having fun you don't pull up on the reins and say "Uh oh, all this victory is getting in the way of my fun." Get out of here with all this shit. Have fun and try to win, Ya bunch a hipsters, afraid to care too much. "What will my friends think if they find out I give a shit?"

chipi991 votes

What do hipsters have to do with this?

Occams Raiser1 votes

Hipsters were the first people of the 21st century to not give a shit and make it a thing.

chipi992 votes

Thats called a teenager, do you even know what a hipster is?

Anidan1 votes

As a former teenager myself, I now hate my former self.

Wait, isn't that some sort of mental thing? Ah, shit. Needs more philosophy here. I'm on a friggin' philosophy binge after playing the Talos Principle, and it's stuck in my head. In short: I love it.

Also, to steer back to the topical road: I friggin' hate hipsters. But teenagers are meh. At least that whole teenager stuff is a phase that you know passes by later on and then they become jaded, cynical adults like most of us. Though, I'm pretty naive, relentlessly optimistic in person and honest to a fault with a fear of starting to care too little. In short: I'm kind of an idiot in person. Can ya tell?

Lt Cuddles5 votes

"Miss Fortune mains are thirsty as fuck." - Sky Williams

manbearswine8 votes

{quoted}

Miss Fortune mains

What is that? Is it like a unicorn? I've heard tales,but never seen one in person,am starting to question their existence overall.

Lt Cuddles1 votes

Aye! They're real!!! And they feast upon the souls young, unwitting men! MissFortune summoner 31

chipi991 votes

Yorick Poppy Urgot item 3070

Lt Cuddles1 votes

O^O" H-How dare y-you mention th-th-them here!

chipi995 votes

Happened to me except with an Ez He was stupid enough to approach an unwarded bush with Thresh andNautilus. Kept telling ez to stay behind minions yet he kept z and he said nothing at all. The moment I pull Naut under our tower and get the kill he starts calling me an Support ADC for "stealing his kill" I get two more kills that saved ezs life and he keeps complaining. Mid had fed and our jungle was behind because of a bug splat. After warding dragon Thresh catches me out and the whole team arrives, ez for some reason having followed me decides to e + flash into the lone river bush and gets killed by the midlaner instead of jumping over dragon wall. I sit there laughing at the horrible play and tell my brother (who was watching) "How much do you want to bet that he is going to blame it on me." Seconds later I get a "f*** you blitz" , making me laugh even more, his remark then starts the mid and jungle to trash talk. Leaving me and garen to wait till our inevitable loss. I was having so much fun too. Q.Q

Gavran

You sound like someone I would never want on my team and it has nothing to do with getting a kill.

chipi995 votes

Why? Just curious.

Gavran4 votes

... well, the honest approach to genuinely asking why makes me wonder if I should reconsider.

But, because laughing at your teammates for making mistakes (particularly when you're dead from making a mistake yourself; getting caught by Thresh) and generally thinking of them as stupid isn't particularly attractive in a teammate.

I am willing to however, at your word, concede that those things were because of frustration and either way applaud you for taking my (honestly non-constructive, at least with my first post on its own merits) criticism so maturely and for (hopefully) keeping your frustrated reactions strictly out of the game where they at least don't hurt anyone but you.

Mikal Pikal2 votes

Yeah he had one of those players on his team that was laughably predictable. You've had them on your team; we all have. The player that complains about everything. The player that can't take responsibility for anything and must blame others for everything. This player even blames you when they make a HORRIBLE mistake like jumping into an unwarded jungle with 4 waiting enemies. You have to admit when he blames is support for not saving him from inevitable doom it is funny in an "I can't believe this guy serious right now" kind of way. I think that it was Chip meant, not that he laughs at mistakes, that he laughed when he gets blamed for the huge mistakes that no rational person could blame on anyone but themselves.

MeesterMoo1 votes

Turn off chat in ranked. Helps a TON

chipi991 votes

This was normals, which is suprising (at least for me).

Sugar Momma5 votes

SECURING kills should always be fun ;)

manbearswine1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sugar Momma,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=P0nrj9h7,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2015-04-27T21:59:02.407+0000)

SECURING kills should always be fun ;)

Not for me,the loss of the 60 assist streak gold makes me depressed.

Tomatosx3 votes

Draven and me cursing you out will be fun too :)

(Just kidding mid/sup main lol)

KGBcommunist4 votes

There is a special place in hell for toxic adc players.

Sirsir2 votes

because part of the fun in LoL for me is the social interaction.

w8 wut?

Transgressor1 votes

Social interaction is a big part of multiplayer for the past 10 years really, since gaming evolved into what it is now and internet is an important part of it. If you're expecting to join a game with a really big online community and not be part of social activities perhaps you should reconsider what games you like to play. Take most of the good MMORPGs out there for example, if you don't social interact with the players out there, you're in for a bad time.

Champion Skin1 votes

Well true.. but League isn't an RPG and well if your team spends too much time typing it instead of focusing on the game it might not be that great for your odds at winning... And there are always those lovely We should qwwqqwereqw And ally has been slain

Only Play Darius2 votes

I don't really care if my support takes kills so long as it isn't outright intentional. I would rather the support get the kill than let them get away. When your support is up in items it usually means they are going to have an easier time setting up kills for you, so the kills will come anyway. Plus, I don't like being fed anyway, because it means I have to carry the team constantly and it's a lot of pressure. Going 28/4 as Vi may sound fun but in all honesty I wish I had given my team more kills early game, because I had to be murdering things nonstop and never had a chance to actually breathe, and I knew that if I f*cked up once and died, my team would automatically lose the teamfight by virtue of me having 90% of the team gold. Never a good idea to have all your eggs in one basket.

The only time I ever understand why people would rage at support taking kills is if they are playing Draven.

revliledpembroke2 votes

I remember being Lux support once (back when I had no idea what a item 2049 was or why anyone would ever want to buy it) and I was supporting a Vayne. The other team had someone with a snare/stun or something, because I remember at one point Vayne being stuck under turret because of it at one point. So, I pressed all of my buttons and got a double kill. Vayne proceeds to flame me, even after I said "Sorry, I saw ADC in danger and just pressed all of my buttons." Vayne told me not to next time. Later in the game, I remember throwing a snare at a really great time to snare a Fizz after he poled, but he somehow took enough damage between when I threw it and when it landed that I got a kill. Coincidentally, Vayne was approaching at just that very moment to try and kill Fizz herself Naturally, it was all part of my plan to deny her any kills, and not just a fluke or an accident. Compare that to the games where I've gone 4/0 laning phase pure tank support Leona, and Leona was definitely more fun.

Awoof2 votes

{quoted} I am not a fan of mute because part of the fun in LoL for me is the social interaction.

Well, once they start like this you can assume there won't be any fun social interaction with them.

QueenAqua2 votes

I agree to play for fun and i think that MF was wrong in how she acted since she was kind of late for the party, but as a support main, i find taking kills from the adc to be a bad idea if it is on purpose. I dont personally like annie support because i feel she isnt that great in protecting the adc early and getting he/she fed, but i get why people play her. She has heavy cc early and late game and has a built-in thornmail, but i feel like she isn't much fun to play supp or is very useful in getting the adc fed. I feel the number one job of a support is to get the adc fed and keep them alive and the enemy harassed so they can farm. They may get all the farm, but by support taking the kills, they aren't much use late game. That 200+ gold that you take each time you get a kill weighs heavy on an adc by late game if you don't rush to finish. My point being this: don't start a game expecting to take kills and don't fore warn your ADC about it. tHe fact is, you probably put your MF in a sour mood from the very beginning because it sounds like you are going to KS her on purpose. Again she shouldn't have reacted like she did. I'm glad you got a mellow Graves in the other game, but if you had started losing the lane at all because he was under-fed, he might have been just as sour as MF, if not worse. I ahve had my share of sour ADCs, so i can say this: don't poke the bear. If you pick up a kill, great. Just don't be warning your ADC that your gonna take kills. It REALLY sours a lot of their attitudes if you go in the game saying that.

Champion Skin1 votes

Well it is usually best for one champion to get the majority of the kills and the other the majority of the assists as this will give the team more gold through assist streaks (bonus gold when you have x more assists then kills) which gives up to 60 bonus gold which on a normal kill with only 1 assist gives the assist 210 gold which is 70% of what the kill is worth (The assist will get up to 100% of kill gold if the target on a death spree meaning the kill is worth less.. if death sprees go that low)

QueenAqua2 votes

True, but that doesn't mean the ADC will be happy about it. I think the death spree lowers the champ value to like 50 gold at its lowest. Here. From the League wiki.

First Blood: 400 gold 1st kill: 300 gold 2nd kill: 350 gold 3rd kill: 408 gold (Killing spree) 4th kill: 475 gold (Rampage) 5th kill: 500 gold (Unstoppable) 6th kill: 500 gold (Dominating) 7th kill: 500 gold (Godlike) 8th kill: 500 gold (Legendary) 9+ kills: 500 gold (Legendary)

1st death: 300 gold 2nd death: 275 gold 3rd death: 220 gold 4th death: 176 gold 5th death: 141 gold 6th death: 112 gold 7th death: 90 gold 8th death: 72 gold 9th death: 58 gold

Solaxo2 votes

Dear diary...

H0riz0n2341 votes

Sharing your thoughts are perfectly fine but the community isnt ever gonna change.

LaMaLiCkEr21 votes

i can almost guarantee you're the awful one every time

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