I'm not saying I'm the greatest support main of all time, I am bronze, but how do I climb the ladder under these conditions? I kept telling Jinx, don't fight them after they were up two kills, but she kept rushing in. She blamed me for her losing and was generally toxic. I'm not saying I'm great, but how do I spoon-feed my carry who is most likely another Jinx?
tseihei2 votesDid you know you only placed like 24 wards in a 40 minute game? you should have placed 40 by then. I'de probably fc if my support warded that bad too. mabey instead of yelling at him you should be doing your job.
But you don't seem to have any sense of humility like every other low elo so there is no point in arguing with you about why you don't deserve a higher rank.
TeemoJenkins1 votesDid you know you only placed like 24 wards in a 40 minute game? you should have placed 40 by then. I'de probably fc if my support warded that bad too. mabey instead of yelling at him you should be doing your job.
But you don't seem to have any sense of humility like every other low elo so there is no point in arguing with you about why you don't deserve a higher rank.
This guy is giving you Golden Advice CST Resonance - if you don't want to hear it, don't rant here. He's trying to help and you're screaming "ELO HELL" - I started this season Bronze V and with MINIMAL effort I'm Bronze IV and creeping towards my next promo - this is after going 3/7 in my provisionals. I'm now 12 wins 10 losses.... If you want to carry, pick a mage support that does more damage. Janna is good for big plays, but she's more utility than dmg where Morg / Annie / Zyra have utility and DMG.
CST Resonance1 votesDid you know you only placed like 24 wards in a 40 minute game? you should have placed 40 by then. I'de probably fc if my support warded that bad too. mabey instead of yelling at him you should be doing your job.
But you don't seem to have any sense of humility like every other low elo so there is no point in arguing with you about why you don't deserve a higher rank.
I'm a former Silver elo player that got assfucked like every other silver player that did their provisionals. I've given up on supporting. I can't fix stupid. I will support for a duo partner and do a hell of a good job at it. I'd rather be in the mid lane or ad carry so I'm in control and insure the game goes my way. I don't understand how anyone gets to challenger or hell, platinum, in solo queue as a support main. The only way out of bronze is to put yourself in a position to carry yourself out of it, unless you're 
or 
all day every day as a support, you're screwed.
Alljoy1 votesGenerally, you can't spoon-feed that. Unless you're MadLife playing Blitz like Buddha with godhand grabs. Best case scenario, you can minimize the casualties and damage in lane, keep up vision, and if your lane's gone, find another potential carry in your team to support and help.
But again, there's only so much you can do. These're people who would make Enma himself cry.
CST Resonance1 votesGenerally, you can't spoon-feed that. Unless you're MadLife playing Blitz like Buddha with godhand grabs. Best case scenario, you can minimize the casualties and damage in lane, keep up vision, and if your lane's gone, find another potential carry in your team to support and help.
But again, there's only so much you can do. These're people who would make Enma himself cry.
I feel like I belong at least in Silver, where I used to be. It feels hopeless trying to climb as a support main.
Alljoy1 votesIt's not impossible, just alot harder (atleast in my experience) because you won't be carrying in the usual sense that people imagine (ie, kda). You should be all about peels, cc, and objective control via vision or creep control.
But like I said, there's only so much you can do.
tseihei1 votesCan't carry as support? What mindset is that? Made it to D5 playing support as often as possible, and my other lanes were all below 50% winrate average.
CST Resonance1 votesCan't carry as support? What mindset is that? Made it to D5 playing support as often as possible, and my other lanes were all below 50% winrate average.
Please elaborate on how I should carry Bronze as a support.
tseihei2 votes[{quoted}](name=CST Resonance,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=NAnJAZQZ,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-02-02T04:00:35.461+0000)
Please elaborate on how I should carry Bronze as a support.
doesn't provide much laning pressure, and it can mean all the difference sometimes between a won or a lost fight.
you need a much higher source of mana regen before you go into anything on support.
This means that the 
isn't going to do much for you because as a support your utility does more, meaning you need to spam, which means you need cdr and mana regen before damage.
item then you can start with 
and then sell it later for to get the better active.
boots on 
are very bad because of soft movement caps.
, it was another 5 minutes almost before you got a red sweeper trinket. You should always get your red sweeper at the exact same time as (with the exception of mabey 
who buys red sweeper at the beginning of the game.) does have spells that do magic damage, you should never go for magic pen on her. I have never had a game as support when I did the most damage on my team, so they won't help. going mana regen glyphs will actually increase your utility/usefullnesss more because you are actually able to spam more anyways. your shields and heals mean armor is more effective, i usually go armor flats. support. without any defense in your runes or masteries.As far as carrying, I honestly think that by just taking a role that everyone supposedly hates and not forcing someone who can't play the role into it you can carry. This is why I think duo partners are actually at a higher chance to lose because they potentially force 2 people on their team to play roles they don't like, or completely suck at. I do find that playing /
is best in low elo because of the speed buffs for warding, and the huge ability to save people from dumb mistakes.
there are some thing though, like pushing to get level 2 first(auto each minion of the first wave once then let the adc do the rest). If they yell at you for hitting their farm, just say sorry, take the "blame" and move on. It is much easier to do this than it is to have to explain to them what the concept of level rushing is. if you do this, you will push the wave very slightly, granting your exp because the minions die, an you will get lvl2 before the enemy. On many ranged supports I find that you can nearly 2v1 the enemy with this level advantage.
I would go on, but it's a bit hard to type when the "s" key on my keyboard isn't working and i have to use an on screen keyboard.
CST Resonance1 votes
well for starters,
If you really enjoy the
when you got
your runes.... are IMO so wrong. although
on support, always go either flap hp/flat armor seals. on
marks on
as far as quints go, there are many options, and flat AP quints are pretty decent for
I can't imagine how you have even put any lane pressure up as
The order that you level your abilities is correct though.
as far as masteries go, you may want to go into expose weakness because the difference in damage for your carry is a lot more than you may think in lane.
I find that the "inspiration" and "bandit" points aren't very good.
As far as carrying, I honestly think that by just taking a role that everyone supposedly hates and not forcing someone who can't play the role into it you can carry. This is why I think duo partners are actually at a higher chance to lose because they potentially force 2 people on their team to play roles they don't like, or completely suck at. I do find that playing
there are some thing though, like pushing to get level 2 first(auto each minion of the first wave once then let the adc do the rest). If they yell at you for hitting their farm, just say sorry, take the "blame" and move on. It is much easier to do this than it is to have to explain to them what the concept of level rushing is. if you do this, you will push the wave very slightly, granting your exp because the minions die, an you will get lvl2 before the enemy. On many ranged supports I find that you can nearly 2v1 the enemy with this level advantage.
I would go on, but it's a bit hard to type when the "s" key on my keyboard isn't working and i have to use an on screen keyboard.
You don't understand, though. Nobody plays as a team in bronze or silver for that matter (although it is a little bit better in silver). You can't force teamwork. The elo system is based on winning in a team game. It's impossible to grade someone's aptitude based on playsers like fuck-up Jinx. If you have no team, you lose. It's unfair, emotionally stressful, and ridiculous.
Ice Weasel X1 votes[{quoted}](name=CST Resonance,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=NAnJAZQZ,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2015-02-02T11:20:30.500+0000)
You don't understand, though. Nobody plays as a team in bronze or silver for that matter (although it is a little bit better in silver). You can't force teamwork. The elo system is based on winning in a team game. It's impossible to grade someone's aptitude based on playsers like fuck-up Jinx. If you have no team, you lose. It's unfair, emotionally stressful, and ridiculous.
He's not talking about forcing teamwork. He's talking about ensuring that you're pulling as much of your weight as you can. As long as you perform above your current MMR's average in your role, you will skew the odds in your favor over the long term. You'll always get matched with teammates who make awful decisions and/or are mechanically worse than you'd like them to be. If you're supporting, your role is to minimize their barriers to success.
Carry them so they can carry you.
You sort of shrugged off tseihei's advice and instead emphasized blaming your teammates. That's a very perma-Bronze mentality. The advice he gave is very valid, and ignoring it is a good way to continue on a path of disappointment. To be honest, I was sort of surprised to see your build in that game because it seems highly inefficient. Focus on self-improvement, it's the best way to climb.
Carry them...
...so they can carry you
tseihei1 votesEVERYONE starts at the bottom. so it is very possible to climb. and if everyone at some point was at the bottom, then how can even just one person not understand. I'm not saying it's fair, but you just have to fight through it because it won't change.
CST Resonance1 votesEVERYONE starts at the bottom. so it is very possible to climb. and if everyone at some point was at the bottom, then how can even just one person not understand. I'm not saying it's fair, but you just have to fight through it because it won't change.
Here is another example: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1719396105/220232342?tab=overview
I got Graves super fed, and he thought he was God. He ended up facetanking five guys the entire match as well as Malz. I should have easily won this game, but every time I gave any advice to Graves, he immediately discredited it and resumed feeding as well as being toxic. The harder I fight to get out of bronze-fucking-five, the harder it pulls me back in with players like fuck-up Graves and fuck-up Jinx.
tseihei1 votesHuh, I feel like you are just saying the same thing repeatedly without trying to counter any of the things I have said...