Fizz passive feels lackluster and out of place to his kit

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I play alot of fizz and he is one of the few champs I have heavily invested time in (over 300 games) and I have come to love the little trickster and all that he is. It's really satisfying for me to quickly instagib squishies and counter alot of meta picks like gragas kass and zed and beat them out while they scratch their head. However I feel like fizz needs a reworked passive to his kit.

The reason why I feel that his passive is counter productive and out of place is he doesn't need free aa block because of how squishy he is, its like putting a piece of paper over yourself to stop a punch - now granted it does have some hidden power early game against range autos but generally it is useless when most ad/ap assassins are spamming spells and not autos. The second part of his passive which lets him move through enemy units again feels useless. Very rarely with any champion am I creep blocked and would say, "Wow I wish I could move through these creep block OP" and in most cases its with an adc that I get phantom dancer for anyways. Fizz can also dash through minion with Q and dodge with E making his passive pretty counter productive.

I would like to give a new idea, because buffing the block on his passive would still be redundant unless it was rediculous like block 30 damage from autos and which case wont get him played for. So for a new passive why not give fizz some sort of mana regen like veigar or xerath? that is generally a gimp to fizz's kit, or give him some better scaling with hp. Or maybe Xerath's old passive because right now fizz passive just isn't satisfying to me.

Sorry my english structure is bad, it's my second language. Anyways please I would love to have a discussion with any reds.

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Water of Eden1 votes

So Fizz 's passive isn't meant to take champions into account. The reason his passive exists is so that he can walk through creeps, like the passive from item 3046 . The second part of his passive is also so he can ignore the auto attacks from minions so that he can go full in when he dives on a champion. Also, his passive allows him to escape through minion waves. It's a very subtle passive but it's also very unique in that it doesn't really interact with champions as much as it does with his own play style. It's not like, say, MonkeyKing 's passive or Irelia 's passive that makes them tankier so that they can be in more teamfights. I really can't see Fizz getting a passive rework because it changes his theme of quick assassinations and diving into fights then quickly juking out.

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Well you see Fizz is a "Get in - kill - pray you live after you zhonya - E out" kinda champ, and while his passive has some hidden power early against some creeps, they generally shouldnt be dealing lots of damage to you as most of your damage taken will be from a misc tower shot and enemy abilities. And honestly, at least to me, it doesn't feel satisfying or noticable similar to irelias passive. Yes her passive is OP and it saves many irelias without realizing it but you just dont feel it.

A new passive wouldn't change his assassin theme but rather enhance it. because at the current moment his passive isnt useful when he assassinates quick and uses E to mitigate damage. I don't want to block creep damage partially - I want to interact with enemy chmampions which is my primary focus.

Water of Eden1 votes

I like to think of it more as a second mitigation technique rather than "yeah you can just proc zhonya's mid-E and block the karth ult." I do see what you mean in that it's completely irrelevant late game. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but you can also E out of a tower shot. Imho, Fizz overall is at a good place when it comes to power level. He can hypercarry as long as he doesn't get cc'ed too hard and he needs to do fairly well in-lane or gank the other lanes.

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And that is a fair point - he is in a very good place and there is more champs out there that could use love taps. But regardless I want to just shed my opinion. I feel like his passive is a good example of power creep and currency. At the time of release fizz was considered UP and I picked him up and really learned him. I took DFG/lichbane rush and after a few months I got zhonya as an item before deathcap after experimenting and getting better KDA's. I am a fizz main so understand that I know how he works and all his in's and outs. yes you can E turret shots but alot of your base damage should follow three distinct patterns:

  1. When enemy is at full hp, Start in With an E, land on enemy then W and Q if you can position Q to get you back to your creeps as a hit and run
  2. When enemy is at ~60% hp or below you start W - Q to target then E then R to finish with an auto + ignite
  3. Depending on if your enemy is Gragas, Galio, post 6 kass, you go in on the enemy with R - W - Q and E if that combo didn't finish the enemy (you want to save E as a means to escape turret agro or avoid a clean up gank).

This is a general pattern. alot of power comes in Fizz W and his Q gives him great flexibility to juke and gap close wall's when E is off cd. and his E is fantastic, high base good scaling wall jump and another gap closer thats free to land. His kit is great but it doesn't really fit with his passive.

Phero1 votes

Currently he can't E out of a tower shot. Just saying.

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