"Guys we had to throw out the League we wrote ourselves into a corner"

MrSc0tty··3 votes·668 views

Meanwhile....

Rammus Karthus Trundle Amumu Skarner

Know anything about these champions and what makes them similar? They're all being put into Faction Boxes with the lore rewrite. Anyone who doesn't belong to

Demacia Piltover Zaun Noxus Ionia Freljord Bandle Shurima

Is getting retconned into one of those boxes. And you know what that means riot? That means you're writing yourself into an even MORE constructed corner, because you know how many champions you put out a year? I'll tell you: nowhere near enough to ever make a new faction. Every one of your factional groups came from a single, narratively interesting champion. All the Shurima champs you now have stemmed from Nasus. The entire Freljord stemmed from Ashe. What else are we going to learn about Trundle's curse of pestilence? Nothing, he's the Freljord troll now and his theme is Ice Ice Ice More Ice Not Enough Ice Champs. How about Rammus' mysterious jungle, are we going to explore the possibility of more intelligent animal champs? No, Rammus is now the Shurimadillo, mysteriously rolling across the desert for no reason with no personality and not even a friggin ounce of exposition in his three sentences of lore.

Congratulations, Riot. You're now out of narrative space. I hope you like sitting down at every meeting for new champion concepts and going "well, are we going with Good medieval, bad medieval, snow, Chinese, desert, steampunk or yordle this time?" Because that's what you've got. You're out of space.

Have fun in your corner.

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Hyrum Graff3 votes

...and then you realize that the couple-sentence-summaries on the PBE are within the client only, and each champ actually has ~500 words of lore.

Also, what's to stop them from creating a new faction, and moving a champ or two to populate that faction during retcons? Or, to create a champ that doesn't belong to any faction at all? A gypsy-esque character.

MrSc0tty2 votes

And then you realize gnars lore has two sentences that apply to Gnar

Hyrum Graff2 votes

Just because Gnar's lore doesn't describe Gnar explicitly, doesn't mean that it doesn't describe Gnar.

Neon Robot1 votes

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Hyrum Graff1 votes

I'd argue that you know a little about what he's like (see my response to OP, below.

However, I'm agreed with you on 2-5.

I guess we'll have to look for more info coming forward! Maybe we'll find out more about Gnar, the same way that in Gnar's lore, we learn a little about how Rengar thinks.

MrSc0tty1 votes

"Then, as I, Rengar, Rengared about the jungle on my hunt, I was hunting and oh look there's a yordle. Hello yordle.

Now back to rengaring and I let out a very rengar esque growl as I-oh gosh a giant monster it appears this yordle has transformed."

So what we know about Gnar:

-He is a yordle -He has a boomerang -He becomes huge.

Why? What is he like? Where does he come from ? Have any other yordles met him? Has anyone tried interacting with him meaningfully? Rengar in this story is really just a " murder-quaintence" in that he's fighting him but has no pressing reason to really.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

"Each track is the size of a tusklord; its claws like scimitars. It could rend a man in half."

"These giant wooden sentinels have stood over this land for countless ages, their iron-like hides untouched by the flimsy axes of anyone foolish enough to attempt to cut them down. This thing brushed them aside like they were twigs."

" A tiny fish splashes out of the stream and the creature scrambles for it, diving gleefully into the rushing water. To my joy, I realize it's a yordle. And a hunter, at that!"

"He looks at me quizzically."

" I snatch the weapon out of his hand and expertly throw it into a tree, impaling it high amongst the branches. He turns and scrambles for it, jumping frantically."

He's gleeful, a hunter, quizzical, and is attached to his boomerang.

Not much, I'll grant you, but more than you're making it out to be.

Hoi Im Temmo2 votes

You are making a lot of conjecture about what Riot will be doing. Stop qq'ing, and watch the lore changes. If, after you see them, you STILL don't like it.....go play DOTA, and get on with your life?

Sneak Dog2 votes

Or we let our voice be heard and hope they'll listen and adjust their lore early instead of making the lore department wade in the dark, only being capable of getting feedback when it's finished?

Hoi Im Temmo1 votes

Giving feed back and support, even advice - that's one thing.

Telling them what they did before you even SEE what they did? Complaining, being overly rude, and negative as well as presumptuous? Quite different. You ASSUME they are backing them self into a corner in this case, yet you have no idea what they even are doing. The purpose of this lore rework, as stated by Riot, was to remove the constraints within which the lore and champion teams are working - to have MORE creative space.

If you want to help, give opinion, advice, go ahead - but do it, don't whine and complain and act like you are being helpful.

Sneak Dog2 votes

Steady now. I'm complaining around these forums with a fleshed out example, Trundle, not with the Shurima event that is barely revealed which we know about nothing off. Heck, while I do think they're removing the most unique non-champion part from Runeterra, I can imagine it makes writing lore about champions easier (makes world less compelling, allows to make champions more compelling). I'm trying to not be rude, I'm simply disappointed because they removed an entire character from the lore in my eyes, which for me is a terrible thing for a story-telling department to do, and I'm saying this on the forums.

Then again, we do not hear a lot from the lore department before it goes live, after which it should be very hard to change. So we need to give feedback, if any, before it goes live but we only get so much lore to give it on. We care about the lore, we are invested emotionally in it, and sometimes these emotions flare up when we see lore we loved disappear before our eyes. Then, if unaddressed, it will leave sore spots.

Hoi Im Temmo1 votes

oops.....i confused you and the OP. my bad :P

the point stands, however, the point in regard to seeing the lore before the QQ'ing that is plaguing these threads stands - yes it is awkward to need to see the lore before it is posted (thats hard to do) but thats my point - voice your pinion and ask that riot share with us, the community, their ideas rather than unending hate fest over what riot believes will be a positive change.

dudemeister2 votes

You forgot about the Void.

How did they write themselves into a corner? There are so many things we don't know about any of the factions you listed. Riot could write new lore for any of them for years to come and still have more ideas. Saying they have written themselves into a corner is ridiculous.

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