I think instalocking a lane that is already picked with 5th pick in ranked should be punishable

LaceUp23·Sep 8, 2015·13 votes·1,138 views

I am honestly not sure why it isn't. Please explain to me.

42 Comments

IcyPepperSep 9, 20152 votes

Did they try to communicate first?

Obviously fifth pick has the short end of the stick here, but they can at least offer to swap if someone is willing to switch lanes with them and pick accordingly.

LaceUp23Sep 9, 20153 votes

Said "top" early. Never said another word. We were the last two picks. I said, "X, you want support or adc" (last two roles). Says nothing and instalocks top lane as soon as we are open. so then I'm stuck playing the game with a Garen support because our guy got fucked by this troll.

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20152 votes

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Said "top" early. Never said another word. We were the last two picks. I said, "X, you want support or adc" (last two roles). Says nothing and instalocks top lane as soon as we are open. so then I'm stuck playing the game with a Garen support because our guy got fucked by this troll.

if he's going bot as garen, then no, it's not reportable.

if he continues to camp top lane when you already have a top then report him

LaceUp23Sep 9, 20151 votes

No. Garen was like 2nd pick and was going top. Then mr business major with last pick autolocks and says, "going top idc". Garen then had to come bot lane because of it.

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20153 votes

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No. Garen was like 2nd pick and was going top. Then mr business major with last pick autolocks and says, "going top idc". Garen then had to come bot lane because of it.

ok then report him

ExcitableOysterSep 9, 20151 votes

The problem is that unless its in in-game chat there's no log or proof of it. Pre-game chat needs to be included as well. I've posted a discussion related to this saying we need a dodge & report button for people like this.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/a7hHrrbv-can-we-please-have-a-dodge-report-button

LaceUp23Sep 9, 20151 votes

The problem is that rito doesn't punish anything expect "omg verbal".

insaiyanbaccaSep 9, 20152 votes

actually there was a comment from lyte a while back saying that it does now record lobby chat

JubbinautSep 9, 20151 votes

I mean, they've been recording and storing pre- and post-game chat for longer than I've been playing. The problem is that those chat rooms are functionally separate from the in-game chat - they're even stored on an entirely separate server, which is why they weren't added to the Tribunal.

But they do have them. And they can review them.

insaiyanbaccaSep 9, 20152 votes

yeah, perhaps you would have to specify in the report that it was in one of the lobbies for them to check it, but idk

LaceUp23Sep 9, 20151 votes

But it's not punishable. Period.

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20152 votes

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But it's not punishable. Period.

it is if they can prove it

LaceUp23Sep 9, 20151 votes

Which you can't. So no, it's not.

IcyPepperSep 9, 20151 votes

Damn, sorry to hear that :/

LaceUp23Sep 8, 20151 votes

Bump until I get a rito member that can explain why this type of trolling isn't punishable.

RaptameiSep 9, 20151 votes

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Bump until I get a rito member that can explain why this type of trolling isn't punishable.

"We don't enforce the meta. If he wants to go double mid, he can do so." -lito

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20151 votes

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"We don't enforce the meta. If he wants to go double mid, he can do so." -lito

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with double mid, but it's better courtesy to ask your 1st midlaner if they want to do double mid

LaceUp23Sep 9, 20151 votes

business major 5th pick - "I didn't get my lane so I'm trolling"

Rito - "as long as he is having fun and no1 is toxic to him (and he buys skins) let him troll!"

LaceUp23Sep 9, 20151 votes

Bump for Lyte. How is this not toxic behavior?

FëalnortSep 9, 20151 votes

First of all instalocking in ranked is, by definition, impossible ( draft ..) . But you have a point.

It is already punishable no ? According to the behavior of the player in game and his result at the end of the game : report for help enemy team if he REALLY troll, report for no skill if he feed too much.

Myself i don't do it ( exept really extreme case ), but what do you think about it guys ?

You can also report for no communication, no ? ( if he don't ask anything and go for his lane without caring of the others ? )

LaceUp23Sep 9, 20151 votes

Instalock as in as soon as he is open to champ selection.

And no, it is not punishable. It is supposed to be reportable, but that doesn't do anything. They literally don't punish anything except for "rito toxic to me" and leaverbuster get some afks.

Maximum MordeSep 9, 20151 votes

Just cause I picked a champ that doesn't traditionally go support as fifth pick doesn't mean I'm trolling you. I might literally not own any traditional support champions (Some of my accounts dont). Chill out. I'm still going to do my best to help the team because believe it or not, I want to win too and I picked the champion I thought I had the best chance of doing that with. If my strategy was worse than yours, I wouldn't be the same ELO getting queued with you. So instead of blaming me and raging out before the game even starts, why don't you take a chill pill and let's have some fun.

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20152 votes

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Just cause I picked a champ that doesn't traditionally go support as fifth pick doesn't mean I'm trolling you. I might literally not own any traditional support champions (Some of my accounts dont). Chill out. I'm still going to do my best to help the team because believe it or not, I want to win too and I picked the champion I thought I had the best chance of doing that with. If my strategy was worse than yours, I wouldn't be the same ELO getting queued with you. So instead of blaming me and raging out before the game even starts, why don't you take a chill pill and let's have some fun.

well it depends on what he's doing.

if he picks garen and goes top even though their team already has a top then he's trolling.

if he picks garen and goes bot thats fine

LaceUp23Sep 9, 20151 votes

You honestly need to learn how to read, dude. I didn't say anything about "off meta" picks. I said someone trolling and going top lane when top lane was already selected.

Stop being a dumb business major.

Maximum MordeSep 9, 20151 votes

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You honestly need to learn how to read, dude. I didn't say anything about "off meta" picks. I said someone trolling and going top lane when top lane was already selected.

Stop being a dumb business major.

There is nothing inherently wrong with duo top as long as your teams makes use of the advantage that 2v1 gives, takes turret asap then redistributes to continue knocking over turrets as fast as possible. It'll come down to if your team plays it better than theirs.

LaceUp23Sep 9, 20151 votes

They were not going duo top. Our 5th pick was trolling. End of story. But hey, people like you are the reason the community is so shitty, so whatever. I'm done replying to your useless jabber.

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20151 votes

by the way it IS punishable as long as you can prove it/its in the chatlogs

LaceUp23Sep 9, 20151 votes

No it isn't. And sure, let me prove using lobby chatlogs that rito doesn't look at...because #businessmajorlogic

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20151 votes

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No it isn't. And sure, let me prove using lobby chatlogs that rito doesn't look at...because #businessmajorlogic

they don't use lobby chat logs only in game chat

say something in game

"you took top even though someone else took it and was higher pick order" etc.

garen will probably side with you and you'll have some proof that it happened

LaceUp23Sep 9, 20151 votes

they don't use lobby chat logs only in game chat

Exactly what I just said.

And no, Garen saying it doesn't prove anything. Trollo will just say, "guys im trying to win. im not that good yet" and boom, rito lets trolling happen.

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20151 votes

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Exactly what I just said.

And no, Garen saying it doesn't prove anything. Trollo will just say, "guys im trying to win. im not that good yet" and boom, rito lets trolling happen.

no trollo says that. most trollos say things like "fuck you im trolling. lol have fun. im feeding." bam punish. i never know a troll that tries to hide the fact theyre trolling. trolls aren't smart creatures

LaceUp23Sep 9, 20151 votes

I've seen it happen many times actually. I also followed some people I reported for it, nothing happened. I've also seen Vayne's go 0-59 without getting punished for it. Bottom line is that nothing except "verbal toxic omg idk wut mute button does" gets punished.

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20151 votes

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I've seen it happen many times actually. I also followed some people I reported for it, nothing happened. I've also seen Vayne's go 0-59 without getting punished for it. Bottom line is that nothing except "verbal toxic omg idk wut mute button does" gets punished.

it takes time for people to get punished. if they don't do it a lot the system will probably let slide but that makes sense, we all have those bad days where we're just upset and may act badly (i'm not excusing this, but it is very human and if riot punished for this everyone would be banned). if he does it everyday, trust me,sooner or later he will be punished. otherwise it's just a once in a while thing just let it go

LaceUp23Sep 9, 20152 votes

it takes time for people to get punished.

I have seen multiple board post about people literally picking rammus and running down lanes to feed every game. People posted games from well over a month straight of doing it, saying, "lol, still haven't gotten punished for this" and, "made it from plat 3 to bronze 5 and no punishments lol".

Yet if I go into my next game and say something "toxic", boom 34 game chat ban by the time the game would end. Try it lol. Go in flaming calling someone a %%%%%% or something, you shall get punished.

You say it "takes time" when in reality it's just rito prioritizing the 12 year old trolls that use their parents credit cards :D

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20151 votes

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I have seen multiple board post about people literally picking rammus and running down lanes to feed every game. People posted games from well over a month straight of doing it, saying, "lol, still haven't gotten punished for this" and, "made it from plat 3 to bronze 5 and no punishments lol".

Yet if I go into my next game and say something "toxic", boom 34 game chat ban by the time the game would end. Try it lol. Go in flaming calling someone a %%%%%% or something, you shall get punished.

You say it "takes time" when in reality it's just rito prioritizing the 12 year old trolls that use their parents credit cards :D

no system will punish everyone.

in the real world there are thieves that don't get caught, same thing on LoL, there are trolls that don't get caught.

No system is perfect, but you're saying the behavior should be punishable, and yes, it's punishable. Just because 1 thief doesn't get caught doesn't mean that stealing isn't punishable

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20151 votes

Just politely ask the troll "why did you take a lane that someone else in a higher pick order already called?" and trust me, he'll probably say something like "im top bitch" and just start raging. usually people who troll pick order tend to have bad attitudes and are prone to rage.

that's how trolls roll

Bunny BellsSep 9, 20151 votes

Again,

If this was punishable that would mean Riot endorses meta. Breaking meta is not a reportable offense. Breaking community normative, yes, but not a violation of any rules.

LaceUp23Sep 9, 20151 votes

And again,

There is a difference between trying to "break the meta" and "lol idc nuub i called top im top report me don't do notin anyway".

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20151 votes

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Again,

If this was punishable that would mean Riot endorses meta. Breaking meta is not a reportable offense. Breaking community normative, yes, but not a violation of any rules.

picking a lane that someone else already picked isn't about meta

im one of those people who don't give a shit about meta, but i would report someone who goes mid after there is already a mid. thats called being a brat and expecting things to go your way every game

if you want 2 mid, say "do you mind if we go 2 mid" and only pick mid if they say yes

don't instalock and don't say anything

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20151 votes

No offense, you are 23, you should understand that no system can catch all the bad guys and punish them.

Even in real life, the first thing they told us at the orientation at school is "don't leave your laptops out, the chances of catching and finding thieves are very low". Does this mean stealing isn't a punishable offense? Of course not. Stealing is definitely a punishable offense, but you have to prove it and catch them and that might not be easy or possible in many situations. Same thing in lol. trolling is a punishable offense, but the chances of catching the silent ones might be very difficult, that's why it's easier to prove and punish verbal abusers more than it is for intentional feeders and other trolls.

LaceUp23Sep 9, 20151 votes

Where did you get I was 23? If you're referring to the number in my name, it was my college football number.

Anyway, reporting a 0-59 Vayne is pretty solid proof of trolling. Not sure why you think it isn't.

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20151 votes

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Where did you get I was 23? If you're referring to the number in my name, it was my college football number.

Anyway, reporting a 0-59 Vayne is pretty solid proof of trolling. Not sure why you think it isn't.

Okay, it is. but he has to have enough games where he does that and gets reported for it in order to be punished. maybe he just trolled once because he was really really upset that day. that's not enough to get someone reported and punished. if he keeps trolling 0-59 everyday, trust me, it will take a while but he will be punished for it.

and you were or are in college, so you should be old enough to know that no judicial system is perfect even in the real world. why would you expect an online judicial system to be any better