i really doubt all of them have such a terrible MMR or are on massive losing streaks. I want to be matched with people of my skill level Riot. When games are like this it lowers the quality for everybody
Fizpocalypse11 votesDo people just magically think you stop being plat because these are normals and not ranked? No one sees a problem with this?
Pika Fox6 votesThere literally is no problem.
Normals have to allow anyone and everyone to play together.
Now, if you have a new level 1 account playing with a couple of gold friends and a challenger player, what are you going to do? What is your magical, genius idea to balance this setup? You have someone entirely new to the game, a couple of decent players, and someone better than almost every single other person in the game on one team. Whats your magical, mythical solution to balance this?
Normals MMR NEEDS to be entirely separated from ranked MMR as a result. It cannot be calculated or dealt with properly, and it will never be truly balanced as a result.
Fizpocalypse1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=J08UfJb7,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-07-28T04:54:22.647+0000)
There literally is no problem.
Normals have to allow anyone and everyone to play together.
Now, if you have a new level 1 account playing with a couple of gold friends and a challenger player, what are you going to do? What is your magical, genius idea to balance this setup? You have someone entirely new to the game, a couple of decent players, and someone better than almost every single other person in the game on one team. Whats your magical, mythical solution to balance this?
Normals MMR NEEDS to be entirely separated from ranked MMR as a result. It cannot be calculated or dealt with properly, and it will never be truly balanced as a result.
So you think its 100% fair for bronzies to get stomped by plat+ players? at that point its not playing the game its waiting to /ff at 20 pls
revliledpembroke1 votesThat isn't what he said at all. He said that there is no real solution to the issue. Also, whoever said life (or video games) was fair?
Fizpocalypse1 votesThat isn't what he said at all. He said that there is no real solution to the issue. Also, whoever said life (or video games) was fair?
Yah they don't try and balance this game at all..Okay
Pika Fox2 votesAgain, a challenger and a level 1 noob queue together in normals because theyre friends. Please explain how you balance this?
If you take their MMR, add it, then divide by 2, thats the most obvious solution and seems fair, right? So youll get high golds most likely.
The golds will dumpster the noob, but the challenger player will destroy the golds, and likely carry the game anyway.
You cant balance normals without making normals ranked.
revliledpembroke1 votesWhat? Where on Earth are you getting these conclusions? Are they from Mars instead? The guy originally said that since normal allow everyone to play together (and they have to, otherwise, there isn't really any way for a bronze, a diamond, and a challenger to play together), there is no real solution to the problem. You concluded that he meant "LOL SUCKS 2 B U BRONZE SUCKERS!".... or something, and then I pointed out that he said no such thing, and then you jumped to Rito balancing the game. Stay on topic and use logical arguments! Just shouting "It's not fair!" makes you sound like a three year old. Or a Bernie supporter (I'm making a joke at an easy target. Lay off me). Either one.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesi think your rank elo/mmr should be reflected in your normal game match ups. why allow a plat/diamond player to be matched vs silver and bronze. how is that fair match making. 90% of the time the bronze and silver lvl players have zero chance of wining the game, ideally riot wants the game matches to give each team an equal chance of winning. no way it can be perfect but some where in the % of 42-58 swing would be acceptable.
they already match premade dou's and premade groups vs a higher base mmr due to the coordination , chat, ect. that is the whole bitch about dynamic queue that a group is more likely to be able to coordinate better then 5 randoms.
by allowing high elo/mmr ranked players to queue against lower elo/mmr it makes an unfair, unfun environment which could create a toxic game. people getting upset, mad, raging and flaming if not afking due to getting smashed and people are like OMG look urgot is feeding top 0-5 bronze urgot vs plat 2 X champ. that player is most likely just getting beat. but we dont see it that way.
but this poster has showed links of games where he was match vs 3 plats. so it is an issue. its kinda like letting a division 1 college play vs anytown usa freshman football team.
Pika Fox1 votesAgain, a challenger player queues with a level 1 never played LoL before player. How do you balance this out?
You dont.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesthe issue the OP has isnt 1 plat/diamond player it was 3 on the same team. and you can balance this by doing the same thing they have in rank. not being able to duo/premade with people 2 tiers lower then you. i get it , "its normals" so why does rank rules apply? but to the person who is a noob getting curb stomped AMERICAN HISTORY X style * see the movie if you dont get reference * it makes them want to not play, to rage, flame, afk. it creates an unfair , unfriendly environment. if you wanna play with your buddy who is lvl 3 and your diamond 1 create a custom game with 8 others and play cuz then you all are aware of what you against.
[zombie-brand-mindblown]
Pika Fox1 votesYes, because people want to make smurfs just to be able to play with their friends in a fucking normal game.
LoL would lose vastly more players forcing people to be unable to play with their friends in normals than it would currently. The vast majority of LoL players fall under this category.
archerno19 votesIts impossible in ranked to get matched against Plat as Bronze.
warpenguin5552 voteshttp://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=warpenguin555
look at my last game for example. 3 plats. my games are infested with high gold - plat players. i dont care if its tanked or normals, it shouldnt be happening
archerno16 voteshttp://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=warpenguin555
look at my last game for example. 3 plats. my games are infested with high gold - plat players. i dont care if its tanked or normals, it shouldnt be happening
Wait? U are talking about NORMALS? Noone is plat in normal. Normal has separate MMR based on performance in normals. You are bronze in ranked. Not in normal. In normal there are no ranks.
CeexSett1 votesI know that is true, but it makes no sense.
So a Diamond player who only plays Rankeds has all his game skills magically removed from him just because it's a normal game? Is he suddenly unranked-like-skill? That is so unfair.
Eunson3 votesHow is that unfair? Take advantage of it. Learn from those players. Learn why they are killing you so easily and adjust. There's a pattern to what you're doing that they abuse. This provides an amazing learning experience. you get better by playing with/against better people. It's normals after all win or lose, use it to learn.
CeexSett1 votesIt doesnt really work like that, to magically improve by watching them stomp me. I like to play different champions every game (i hate mains), so I dont practise much and I dont have much specific knowledge of matchups So I may just be playing my level 3 gangplank for fun and I face a Diamond 4 600k Riven OTP. I dont care if Im "learning", its not fun to be stomped so hard by someone with more mechanical skill and gameplay skill at the same time.
Eunson2 votesThen play beginner/intermediate bots? Don't know what to tell you if you don't want a challenge.
CeexSett1 votesA challenge is something that seems impossible, but can be overcome by hard work. Facing a Diamond OTP Riven isnt a challenge because it isnt possible to beat him by my hard work, either I get stomped and lose or the rest of my team stomps and carries. There is no merit in me.
Eunson1 votessmh. You are what's wrong with video games these days and why they cater to the casual genre.
CeexSett2 votesOk whatever. Keep being an ass.
Xolotyl1 votesThere is no solution that you will like, either deal with that fact or stop playing normal games.
CeexSett1 votesBut I've dealt with that. I wasn't the one starting the tread, i was just agreeing with someone, who I don't remember. I know there is nothing to do other than getting to their level. I wasn't QQing, jsut stating my opinion, but that guy kept throwing blazes to my fireplace.
Vecuu1 votesYou're still looking at this wrong. The thing is, it's not about a player's skill. The game doesn't account for your batting average, whether you're talking KDA, solo kills in lane, or any metric that shows how well one person performs in a game. League gives you a hidden number which ascends and descends when you win or lose a game, and tries to pair you up with other players whose hidden number is similar to yours. But each player has two of these numbers. Ranked and Normal. When I was leveling a smurf, I was around level 27 and played a couple of SRs with Challenger players while not even being eligible for Ranked.
I'm a diamond player who plays in almost exclusively normals. I play my hundred or so games each season to get my rank up, but I mostly care about playing with my friends. My normal MMR is somewhere around Goldish, because I dick around a lot and lose a bunch of games I play with my friends. Are you saying my friends are going to have to play against diamond players based on a win rate which they've never once contributed towards?
Ryzing2Diamond1 voteshttp://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=warpenguin555
look at my last game for example. 3 plats. my games are infested with high gold - plat players. i dont care if its tanked or normals, it shouldnt be happening
Higher elo people-- especially Plat+, tend to play more ranked than normals, so when they play norms they have terrible starter MMR and you probably are around that area.
UnboundCreator1 voteshttp://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=warpenguin555
look at my last game for example. 3 plats. my games are infested with high gold - plat players. i dont care if its tanked or normals, it shouldnt be happening
You don't know how mmr works. Normals mmr and ranked mmr are two completely different sets of mmr.
Midder Scray1 votesLol no, it's definitely not. I'm Bronze 1 and I've seen several plats in the past month, while I'm not even playing with higher ranked people
Rysophage1 votesno it isnt
Cansema9 votesnormal games and ranked games have separate MMR...
so.. those high elo players may not play normals much...
oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votesi think your rank elo/mmr should be reflected in your normal game match ups. why allow a plat/diamond player to be matched vs silver and bronze. how is that fair match making. 90% of the time the bronze and silver lvl players have zero chance of wining the game, ideally riot wants the game matches to give each team an equal chance of winning. no way it can be perfect but some where in the % of 42-58 swing would be acceptable.
they already match premade dou's and premade groups vs a higher base mmr due to the coordination , chat, ect. that is the whole bitch about dynamic queue that a group is more likely to be able to coordinate better then 5 randoms.
by allowing high elo/mmr ranked players to queue against lower elo/mmr it makes an unfair, unfun environment which could create a toxic game. people getting upset, mad, raging and flaming if not afking due to getting smashed and people are like OMG look urgot is feeding top 0-5 bronze urgot vs plat 2 X champ. that player is most likely just getting beat. but we dont see it that way.
but this poster has showed links of games where he was match vs 3 plats. so it is an issue. its kinda like letting a division 1 college play vs anytown usa freshman football team.
No flash no life2 votesWhen I was level 11, teamed up with ppl around 11~14, we faced a gold and a plat on the opponent team (no, not smurf, actual lvl 30 gold/plat accounts with full runes&masteries).
While I've come to realize matchmaker isn't omnipotent and will take time to rate players properly, I'd think it would take account level difference into consideration. The fact that it uses average mmr among group members who queue together is also a mystery to me, since that's probably the worst approach out of 3 choices, aka using lowest member's mmr, group average mmr, and highest member's mmr.
love god2 votesIm bronze 5, and it is very hard to improve my skill level when laning against somebody that is 2-3 divisions above me.
xXRaichopXx1 votesBOOSTED PLATS?
balbraaksel1 votesI think it's Riot's new way of balancing things, instead of matching a premade 4 to a solo higher ranked player (and balance the enemy team to that) they match them to a solo lower ranked player (and balance the enemy team to that), making solo players unable to have much influence on the match. It happened to me too, I was solo (Silver 5) matched to Gold ranked players against Gold ranked players where one was even Gold 2.
Only Play Darius1 votesIf it's normals it means you play at a plat level in a low-pressure environment. It's a good thing.
Axe2Handle2 votesincorrect. It means the Plat players never play normals and thier MMR is shit.
Maiziea1 votesOr his normal MMR is good for a bronze 2, personally I'm unranked and I play against gold/plat all the time as well, no issues with it though.
If it was just every now and then you come across a plat or gold player then yes their MMR is probably low, but if it's every single game you're where you belong acording to your and their MMR.
Pierce The Veal1 votesHonestly the players you get matched up with and against should be the higher of your normal/ranked dynamic MMR. What this means is if you get really good in normals, then you get a boost in ranked. If you're really good in ranked, your normals aren't just a pubstomp.
Chicken4dinner1 votesGame wants you to get gud (aside from the shitpost, it may allow some room for serious improvement via learning from them. Especially if they are your enemy laner)
Blueeyez1 votesSame with me bud..
Delphinium1 votesI think diam 2 in a bunch of low silvers is much worst
invisiblecat11 votesIf this is ranked, then it probably means you are Dynamic Queuing with Gold+ people, and if this is normals than they have a low MMR, but still they are Platinum players
The Deckowner1 votesI am silver 1 and I still occasionally get bronzes in my gme...man dynamic queue sucks ass.
Lord Galvatron1 votesIt's possible, some platinum players are really that bad (boosting as well but oh well Dynamic que is Dynamic) Also you also may be better the average Bronze II player so it could be a little of both. I get plats all the time as well and I don't see them as noticeably better then the rest of the team composed of bronze, silver, and gold players.
LatetotheRace1 votesNot enough players in the system. (That and boosting.)
I was Lupxel1 votesBecause you'r skilled /thread
Hyperiön1 votesIf it is normals, that is a common thing. Ranked, not so much as it will never happen.
Aerothal1 voteswait a minute...are you complaining about norms???
:'D
how about you try your best and study how they outplay you?
92 is hälf of 991 votesIf you want to play with people your skill level, then play ranked.
Also, you can learn from plat players in those normal games (: treat it as a Learning opportunity.
My MMR in normals is Silver-Low Gold, but I'm Platinum. An example for you. MMR for normals and ranked is separate.
I WILL TROLL YOU1 votesIf they separated normals by rank then it would no longer be normals it would be ranked. What you are suggesting is we create two ranked ladders.