37-15-32 over last 6 games.

LaceUp23·Sep 13, 2015·9 votes·2,339 views

Record of 0-6. That is a KDA of 4.6 (not bad for what the enemy team was). Teammates over those 6 games: 111-165-197. That is a KDA of 1.8.

Fact: Feeding teammates make me drop elo. And that was with a game that we completely crushed them, my team started farming their jungle after taking an inhib instead of helping me defend against the Udyr and Garen taking our 2nd tier tower, inhib tower, inhib, nexus towers, and nexus. All while they farmed the enemy jungle. Wut.

Tl;Dr: My KDA: 4.6. Teammates KDA: 1.8. GG rito, teammates make me lose. Game is decided 98% by who gets the feeders on their team.

45 Comments

BastionKrossSep 13, 20154 votes

Kills don't win games, objectives do.

Being 20-0-19 will certainly help you take objectives and push the odds of winning in your favor, but if you get a bunch of kills and don't know how to press your advantage you might as well not have those kills at all for all the good you're doing. I've witnessed many, many games (including pro games) where the team with more kills lost because they couldn't/didn't push their advantage and take objectives to close the game out.

This isn't CoD; don't put so much importance on KDA.

LaceUp23Sep 13, 20155 votes

Yes, let me go take an objective against the 8-0 Yasuo and 7-0 jungler.

Looking at my games, I only see/remember 1 game where a team with less kills lost. And that was already explained by my team farming jungle allow them to push nexus for some reason lol. But it's not really comparable to LCS. That's a completely different game lol.

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 13, 20151 votes

{quoted} Looking at my games, I only see/remember 1 game where a team with less kills lost. And that was already explained by my team farming jungle allow them to push nexus for some reason lol. But it's not really comparable to LCS. That's a completely different game lol.

Nucleophilic atkSep 13, 20154 votes

Bronze doesn't count bro. If you are going to try and argue with the dude, at least use some logic. Don't sound so dumb.

Toxic SamuraiSep 13, 20153 votes

Every game is a diceroll. Just accept it. Sometimes the dice rolls badly 6 times in a row even though the odds are slightly in your favor. It happens. It's the way the system works. It's a team game. Not a 1v1.

LaceUp23Sep 13, 20151 votes

It's just annoying how these people are suppose to be the same skill level lol. I just think people should try to win in ranked games.

LOLKING MY SIVIRSep 13, 20152 votes

No. You just have to be OVERWHELMINGLY more skilled than those in your elo to be able to solo carry games. "Just a little bit" doesn't quite cut it. How are popular streamers able to launch "unranked to Diamond in a few days" marathons? And if you also acknowledge the existence of elo-boosting, does that not also discredit your claim?

Granted, there are some games that are completely hopeless, but if you are amazing at this game (part of the 0.01%), you'll be able to win 1 vs 9 games with ease.

There are tons of factors that go into winning a game (a large part of it is your attitude), but that's too long to type here.

LaceUp23Sep 13, 20152 votes

You just have to be OVERWHELMINGLY more skilled

Which is dumb and it wouldn't have to be that way if people weren't dumb.

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 13, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=LOLKING MY SIVIR,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=FIM7j0wc,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2015-09-13T20:10:02.083+0000)

There are tons of factors that go into winning a game (a large part of it is your attitude), but that's too long to type here.

Part of that attitude is thinking that every game is winnable and not stopping until the defeat screen. I think that is the best attitude for winning games. If you give up, you just let the enemy get more fed because you're playing suboptimally. Even if a game is 5-20 I always think "we can come back from this" and believe it or not I usually carry because of this mentality

XonraSep 14, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Part of that attitude is thinking that every game is winnable and not stopping until the defeat screen. I think that is the best attitude for winning games. If you give up, you just let the enemy get more fed because you're playing suboptimally. Even if a game is 5-20 I always think "we can come back from this" and believe it or not I usually carry because of this mentality

You "usually carry" because you are in bronze 4 where people let you get 40 kills in a game.

If you get 40 kills and you didn't win, you shouldn't be playing this game. Then again if you can get 40 kills in a game neither should your opponents, and how the heck are you still in Bronze 4, so I find it hard to believe you carry anything.

Hate to have become "that guy" at you, but your responses are just so ridiculous at this point I'm starting to think you are trolling.

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 16, 20151 votes

{quoted}

You "usually carry" because you are in bronze 4 where people let you get 40 kills in a game.

If you get 40 kills and you didn't win, you shouldn't be playing this game. Then again if you can get 40 kills in a game neither should your opponents, and how the heck are you still in Bronze 4, so I find it hard to believe you carry anything.

Hate to have become "that guy" at you, but your responses are just so ridiculous at this point I'm starting to think you are trolling.

actually no. i'm usually the only one who gets that many kills in game. not even common in bronze but im a rare exception because fighting is my skill

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 13, 20151 votes

37-15-32 in 6 games means you get barely 11 kills + assists per game

some people get twice that for just kills

looks like you run away from battle and try to maintain kda rather than fighting

XonraSep 13, 20151 votes

{quoted}

37-15-32 in 6 games means you get barely 11 kills + assists per game

some people get twice that for just kills

looks like you run away from battle and try to maintain kda rather than fighting

Or it means he gets the kills on his team INSTEAD of the assists (don't exactly get an assist when you get a kill). Also....maybe the games aren't high kill games, because 11 kills or 11 assists is actually pretty good.

Looks like you are looking for ways to try and discredit his point with a point that makes no actual sense.

"You don't die a lot because you choose not to fight" how is that bad? You are really reaching here. Without seeing his games how do you know he is trying to "maintain his KDA". Just sounds like you want to discredit his point with conjecture lol

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 13, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Or it means he gets the kills on his team INSTEAD of the assists (don't exactly get an assist when you get a kill). Also....maybe the games aren't high kill games, because 11 kills or 11 assists is actually pretty good.

Looks like you are looking for ways to try and discredit his point with a point that makes no actual sense.

"You don't die a lot because you choose not to fight" how is that bad? You are really reaching here. Without seeing his games how do you know he is trying to "maintain his KDA". Just sounds like you want to discredit his point with conjecture lol

no i am saying that if you have low kills+ assists and low deaths I highly doubt you're contributing your weight.

I had a 7/1/1 fizz teammate in my team and that seems like he's good until you realize that wukong 46/23/5, our yi was 23/14/14, ashe was 5/25/35 and nautilus 3/21/35

7/1/1 fizz doesn't seem that useful anymore, no?

he thought that wraiths were more important than teamfight in mid, but you know what, everyone's got different priorities

XonraSep 13, 20151 votes

{quoted}

no i am saying that if you have low kills+ assists and low deaths I highly doubt you're contributing your weight.

I had a 7/1/1 fizz teammate in my team and that seems like he's good until you realize that wukong 46/23/5, our yi was 23/14/14, ashe was 5/25/55 and nautilus 3/21/35

7/1/1 fizz doesn't seem that useful anymore, no?

WTF kind of game were you played that you had someone with 46 kills? I'm hoping that is an exaggeration because that was the most bronze 5 score line that shouldn't be possible lmao.

I've never played a game that had someone with that many kills except a silly custom bot game. IT sounds more like you don't like his point because you are used to call of duty style score lines, when most games past even Bronze 3 never have that many kills, let alone deaths.

Also that 46/23/5 Wukong seems pretty terrible. Sounds like he was diving in randomly, getting kills, but gave the enemy a LOT of shutdown gold dying 23 times with that many kills. He was FAR worse than the example 7/1/1 Fizz who died one time, not giving much gold.

Or the 23/14 Yi, who gave a LOT of shutdown gold

Your the 5/25 Ashe who apparently had terrible positioning to die 25 times as an ADC

or a 21 death Naut with less assists than the ADC Ashe.

Yeah, your example is actually Terrible because the team was giving up all sorts of gold to the enemy, while the Fizz might not have had 40 kills, he also wasn't giving thousands of gold away for being shut down dying 20 times.

I'd much rather have the Fizz.

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 13, 20151 votes

{quoted}

WTF kind of game were you played that you had someone with 46 kills? I'm hoping that is an exaggeration because that was the most bronze 5 score line that shouldn't be possible lmao.

It happens to me about 1 every 10 games or so, so it's not very common. that said it's not uncommon either. I lost a screenshot of that game (mighta been on my 2nd account or pretty long ago on this acc when I was bronze 1 or 2) but I will show you screenshots from my ranked games on this account

Also that 46/23/5 Wukong seems pretty terrible. Sounds like he was diving in randomly, getting kills, but gave the enemy a LOT of shutdown gold dying 23 times with that many kills. He was FAR worse than the example 7/1/1 Fizz who died one time, not giving much gold.

You know, if Fizz didn't stay in the jungle and helped out the team would died less

also if you dive and get 2 kills per death (46-23) that's good its a 2 for 1 trade

Or the 23/14 Yi, who gave a LOT of shutdown gold

same thing

Your the 5/25 Ashe who apparently had terrible positioning to die 25 times as an ADC

she was really good at assisting the team though, btw she had 35 assists not 55, i made a mistake.

or a 21 death Naut with less assists than the ADC Ashe.

the naut was duoing with yi (probably since yi was 2 divisions better than him and everyone else was in the middle). naut was probably the weakest on the team

Yeah, your example is actually Terrible because the team was giving up all sorts of gold to the enemy, while the Fizz might not have had 40 kills, he also wasn't giving thousands of gold away for being shut down dying 20 times.

I'd much rather have the Fizz.

yep, just let him spend 40 minutes in the jungle even though he was supposed to be top lane. the only time he got kills when people went into the jungle and tried to take his wraiths or wolves or whatever. otherwise he just stayed to farm and let every teamfight be 4v5.

XonraSep 14, 20151 votes

{quoted}

It happens to me about 1 every 10 games or so, so it's not very common. that said it's not uncommon either. I lost a screenshot of that game (mighta been on my 2nd account or pretty long ago on this acc when I was bronze 1 or 2) but I will show you screenshots from my ranked games on this account

You know, if Fizz didn't stay in the jungle and helped out the team would died less

also if you dive and get 2 kills per death (46-23) that's good its a 2 for 1 trade

same thing

she was really good at assisting the team though, btw she had 35 assists not 55, i made a mistake.

the naut was duoing with yi (probably since yi was 2 divisions better than him and everyone else was in the middle). naut was probably the weakest on the team

yep, just let him spend 40 minutes in the jungle even though he was supposed to be top lane. the only time he got kills when people went into the jungle and tried to take his wraiths or wolves or whatever. otherwise he just stayed to farm and let every teamfight be 4v5.

I've never had a ranked game, not once, where anyone on either team had over 30 kills, let alone 40, so I just don't know what to say about the quality of play there, and I don't know how to word that without it sounding rude, but I promise I'm not trying to bash on anyone.

had to look up your rank to see it was Bronze 4, and I guess maybe that explains it to a degree, but I've never been there so I guess I just don't have any frame of reference. I've just honestly never seen anyone get 40 kills in ranked so that is just foreign to me.

Diving in and getting 2 kills is fine I guess, but dying just gives gold back. And dying 23 times is giving a lot of gold back, because you are giving gold back for all those kills you got, and likely not getting even as much in return if you are getting that many kills. If you have 40 kills, I have to imagine the enemy team doesn't have many kills outside of shutting you down....so realistically, they are probably getting as much gold for your one than your two, not to mention the fact you aren't getting much gold at all in general, as your CS scores are like...100 ish at the best, and I see a LOT of games you ending with 68 CS and so on.

Your kills there look nice if you are playing Call of Duty with 40 kills, but honestly you didn't get much gold outside of some of your games lasting a long time, and likely getting a lot of towers and neutral stuff perhaps. Seriously the example screenshot, the highest cs you had was 105....Sure you had a 50 kill game on there, which honestly is just awkward in my opinion, but you managed to have less CS than kills. Nearly an hour long game. That is just...moving on.

Honestly I actually have nothing else to add, because I'm dumbfounded by the score lines outside of a bot game, and I don't know how you even manage to let someone get over 30 kills a game without intentionally feeding, so It has boggled my mind to such an extent I've lost my train of thought.

LaceUp23Sep 13, 20151 votes

Yeah, he has no clue lol. But hey, that's the league community. Jump to defend the malph running down everyone's lanes feeding.

LaceUp23Sep 13, 20152 votes

Nope, it means I'm typically something like 1-0-2 after maybe 15 or so mins, but the score is already 6-28.

LaceUp23Sep 13, 20151 votes

Better keep the streak of literally morons going!

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 13, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Better keep the streak of literally morons going!

dont play support if your team sucks

if you have to at least play an agressive support that can get kills

LaceUp23Sep 13, 20153 votes

dont play support if your team sucks

You are really showing your lack of intelligence here lol. So either you are trolling are actually are that dumb. I'm gonna go ahead and guess that later. So have a good day, I won't be responding anymore :)

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 13, 20151 votes

{quoted}

You are really showing your lack of intelligence here lol. So either you are trolling are actually are that dumb. I'm gonna go ahead and guess that later. So have a good day, I won't be responding anymore :)

okay keep playing supports when you know your team won't follow up your plays.

remember you don't have to play support. as long as you're not taking someone else's lane you can go duo bot carry. that's what I do in low elo because I don't really trust an adc i've never played with before to follow up on my play

if you duo carry just don't take their farm but kills are fair game

SwapShadowsSep 13, 20151 votes

except kda means nothing in winning, it's how you use your game knowledge in order to abuse advantages.

your team got aced and the enemy team decides to do dragon and send 2 people to push bot??? take the baron for an EZ comeback. That's how you win games, not going 10-0 in lane with darius and having no idea what to do next.

LaceUp23Sep 13, 20153 votes

I think there has been 1 game since I've started playing ranked where the team with the most kills lost. Sure, you can say it means nothing all you want...but when the enemy Darius is 5--0 and the enemy Yasuo is 4-0, both after 6 mins, there isn't much to do. I can't go get anything :)

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 13, 20151 votes

{quoted}

I think there has been 1 game since I've started playing ranked where the team with the most kills lost. Sure, you can say it means nothing all you want...but when the enemy Darius is 5--0 and the enemy Yasuo is 4-0, both after 6 mins, there isn't much to do. I can't go get anything :)

ban darius and yasuo then

LaceUp23Sep 13, 20151 votes

Yup, but then I have team feeding shyv to 12-1. Then I also have team feeding Brand to 11-0. Then I also have team feeding Vayne to 19-5. So you see, it literally has nothing to do with the champs and everything to do with trolls :)

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 13, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Yup, but then I have team feeding shyv to 12-1. Then I also have team feeding Brand to 11-0. Then I also have team feeding Vayne to 19-5. So you see, it literally has nothing to do with the champs and everything to do with trolls :)

i have high doubt that your whole team is trolls trolls are rare

XonraSep 14, 20151 votes

{quoted}

except kda means nothing in winning, it's how you use your game knowledge in order to abuse advantages.

your team got aced and the enemy team decides to do dragon and send 2 people to push bot??? take the baron for an EZ comeback. That's how you win games, not going 10-0 in lane with darius and having no idea what to do next.

It doesn't mean everything, but saying it means nothing is false.

You give gold for dying, and get gold for kills/assists. Having a score line of say, 1/4/25 (I play mostly support so that is something I might see for example) means you helped your team out, didn't die too much but either had some bad fights or got caught. It says a lot and can potentially mean a lot. Having a score line of 1/0/5 or so means you probably killed your lane opponent, but you either aren't fighting outside of your lane or you have good positioning in fights.

Game knowledge and pushing advantages doesn't negate a good or bad KDA.

Also you are assuming a lot just saying because someone had a good KDA they did nothing. Sounds like you are making an argument (that makes no sense by the way) just to try and say "yeah well...you had a good KDA but..You must suck and can't push an advantage". That makes no sense lol

SwapShadowsSep 14, 20151 votes

{quoted}

It doesn't mean everything, but saying it means nothing is false.

You give gold for dying, and get gold for kills/assists. Having a score line of say, 1/4/25 (I play mostly support so that is something I might see for example) means you helped your team out, didn't die too much but either had some bad fights or got caught. It says a lot and can potentially mean a lot. Having a score line of 1/0/5 or so means you probably killed your lane opponent, but you either aren't fighting outside of your lane or you have good positioning in fights.

Game knowledge and pushing advantages doesn't negate a good or bad KDA.

Also you are assuming a lot just saying because someone had a good KDA they did nothing. Sounds like you are making an argument (that makes no sense by the way) just to try and say "yeah well...you had a good KDA but..You must suck and can't push an advantage". That makes no sense lol

You are right but game knowledge and decisions are the biggest factor in winning a game, you can easily lose a game even if all lanes go 5/0 due to terrible decisions.

There could be games where you get heavily camped as a immobile laner and you manage to make a huge comeback and shotcall and win the game for your team while probably being like 5/7

Photos of GhostsSep 13, 20151 votes

STA TIS TICS You influence your games by 1/5. If your influence is a higher level than the rest, you're gonna climb over a large number of games (~1000)

LaceUp23Sep 13, 20152 votes

1/10*

Meh, not really. Considering every game is completely random, and the fact that you have to play like 2 entire divisions above where you're at to consistently win, I wouldn't really say it's accurate lol. The con-founders alone pretty much make it impossible to determine any sort of statement like that.

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 13, 20152 votes

{quoted}

1/10*

Meh, not really. Considering every game is completely random, and the fact that you have to play like 2 entire divisions above where you're at to consistently win, I wouldn't really say it's accurate lol. The con-founders alone pretty much make it impossible to determine any sort of statement like that.

you know what, you're right. i'm sorry i disagreed with you.

your play is perfect and it's a flawed system that prevents you from reaching challenjour. it's all the bad teams and the feeders and all the trolls. i'm sorry that you're a victim of such a bad system that only you are a part of. you've never been carried even when you go 0/10, but you always have perfect kdas when your team feeds. it's not like anyone else playing ranked goes through the same things that you do. that's why we don't understand

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 13, 20151 votes

{quoted}

1/10*

Meh, not really. Considering every game is completely random, and the fact that you have to play like 2 entire divisions above where you're at to consistently win, I wouldn't really say it's accurate lol. The con-founders alone pretty much make it impossible to determine any sort of statement like that.

And I feel like you don't take responsibility

XonraSep 14, 20151 votes

{quoted}

snip and responding to all of your above responses at once

I hate to be that guy, but get out of Bronze 4 before trying to give advice like you are in Challenger.

Your examples have been terrible, your statements just seem like you are trying to start arguments, and a lot of what you said is either taking things out of context or completely clueless to be quite blunt. I mean your responses have been stuff like "yeah well, I had a 50 kill game in bronze 4 with a 7/1 Fizz, so obviously my 50/25 score game is better right?"

LuggSep 13, 20151 votes

I agree that KDA should be taken into account when deciding LP amounts at the end of the game. My last ranked game I had a KDA over 3, our mid had a 1, and EVERYONE else on the team had a KDA below 1. Needless to say we lost, but it was obvious that I did everything I could to help us win. The amount I lost should be relatively way lower than the rest of the team. And the ONLY reason why my KDA was that low was due to my team feeding so hard I couldn't stay alive against the onslaught. I had ONE death until I got focused by THREE fed enemies. On the same note, if you win a game and have a low KDA, you should get less points.

The benefit of this would be that poor players would never climb up the ranks until they improved their game, while the good players could still climb at a decent rate even if they get stuck on horrid teams.

LaceUp23Sep 13, 20151 votes

I'm not saying it should be taken into account, because then people would just be dumb about it. I'm saying people shouldn't be so fucking stupid and die 9 times in 15 mins. And that rito should revert all the lp I lost over my last 10 games since not my fault.

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 13, 20151 votes

{quoted}

And that rito should revert all the lp I lost over my last 10 games since not my fault.

only if they reverted all the lp you gained from your enemy team sucking and reverted all the lp gains from games where you had a bad score and your team carried you

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 13, 20151 votes

I'm not kidding, I'm looking at your op.gg

Based on your average KDA and your average winrate, it's definitely because you hold back in fights. No way you lose so many games over a long period of time with your KDAs unless you do hold back damage or avoid fighting all the time so you can maintain kda

your low kill count and mediocre assist count too. when you're in a carry role you need to be going out there getting kills more too

SexyTaylorSwiftSep 13, 20152 votes

Looking at op.gg, I would almost agree with you. Then I look at the actual game and realize that it's probably hard to run and kill people when the enemy carries (like top and mid) have 5 kills before reaching level 6.

LaceUp23Sep 13, 20152 votes

I'm just not sure why he keeps replying with really dumb comments when I told him I was done with him lol.

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 13, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Looking at op.gg, I would almost agree with you. Then I look at the actual game and realize that it's probably hard to run and kill people when the enemy carries (like top and mid) have 5 kills before reaching level 6.

im not talking about 1 game

im talking about all of his games. i hardly believe that every single one of his 70 games are like that

also even in the games he wins his k+a contribution is bad. if he wins the enemy can't be that fed

out of his won games as a carry role, only 3 had more than 10 kills

and im looking at more than 25 won games of his

and if you complain on the forums we have a right to disagree with you OP

XonraSep 14, 20151 votes

{quoted}

I'm not kidding, I'm looking at your op.gg

Based on your average KDA and your average winrate, it's definitely because you hold back in fights. No way you lose so many games over a long period of time with your KDAs unless you do hold back damage or avoid fighting all the time so you can maintain kda

your low kill count and mediocre assist count too. when you're in a carry role you need to be going out there getting kills more too

You are in friggin bronze 4 bragging about your kill scores with multiple people somehow getting 30+ kills in multiple games (that is just dumb, I'm sorry lol). You really have no frame of reference for real games, as games don't start completely not being terrible until about Silver 3 (not saying they are great, don't misunderstand, saying better, as in less feeding 70 kills to the enemy team kind of bad).

You are trying to say he holds back fighting, because he doesn't have your Bronze 4 score lines of tons of kills and just as many tons of deaths. I might as well tell my roommate how to drive better because I was able to win all of my races in gran turismo.

LaceUp23Sep 14, 20151 votes

Keep it going!!

LaceUp23Sep 15, 20151 votes

On a roll!!!!