I didn't mind at all, he was fed early and was doing well throughout the game. Later on however when we had to group he didn't do anything except kill the enemy adc who was already pretty worthless because she was doing really bad. Later on we lost and now I'm really sad we lost because our jungler who is a good player decided to build full AP, WHAT DO I DO!!?
Magik Digitz2 votesPersonally I don't believe it's the fault of your jungler building AP. I believe it's the fault of you and your team for being unable to work in a way that secured victory.
KoKoboto1 votes[{quoted}](name=Magik Digitz,realm=EUW,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=BfBflPoY,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-07-04T22:29:20.463+0000)
Personally I don't believe it's the fault of your jungler building AP. I believe it's the fault of you and your team for being unable to work in a way that secured victory.
I would kill the enemy adc/support/mid, we would proceed to group for an objective, we would proceed to die because enemy Hecarim would one shot me or Zac with ultimate and he could not peel
TTK Dreadnought1 votesHow does a hecarim 1 shot a Zac?
KoKoboto1 votesHow does a hecarim 1 shot a Zac?
He went full AP so all he had to do was ult Q and auto, Zac wasn't tanky at all
rtbf2216514121 votesHe went full AP so all he had to do was ult Q and auto, Zac wasn't tanky at all
What Zac doesn't build tanky to begin with?
If a Zac isn't building at least half HP, there is something wrong.
RogueWill1 votesWhat Zac doesn't build tanky to begin with?
A lot of them actually. Zac abilities doesn't scale out of HP, armor or MR so he doesn't get any added bonus to buy them, plus since he is considered a tank his base damages are already quite high, this coupled with decent scalings (70% on E and 50% on Q) he can actually provide a lot of damage. If he got fed early he can go full AP and hope to finish the game before late game hits.
rtbf2216514121 votesA lot of them actually. Zac abilities doesn't scale out of HP, armor or MR so he doesn't get any added bonus to buy them, plus since he is considered a tank his base damages are already quite high, this coupled with decent scalings (70% on E and 50% on Q) he can actually provide a lot of damage. If he got fed early he can go full AP and hope to finish the game before late game hits.
Cell Division (Passive)
Shedding heals 4% of Maximum Health Revives at 10 - 50% maximum health. Zac is bigger with more HP. (Dumb but still)
Bloblet:
12% of Zac's max HP. 50% of Zac's armor 50% of Zac's Magic Resist
RogueWill1 votesCell Division (Passive)
Shedding heals 4% of Maximum Health Revives at 10 - 50% maximum health. Zac is bigger with more HP. (Dumb but still)
Bloblet:
12% of Zac's max HP. 50% of Zac's armor 50% of Zac's Magic Resist
How do you consider that scaling? that's like saying 
should build tanky because of her passive. The heal is a percentage so it will feel the same to Zac wether he was 1k HP or 4k. He gets no additional armor, or aditional HP and his scaling are not low enough to disencourage not building AP on him, if he goes AP he will do a lot of damage that is what stops people like Nautilius and Maokai to go full AP.
rtbf2216514121 votesHow do you consider that scaling? that's like saying
Zac getting bigger is scaling regardless of how useless that is. The rest I wouldn't consider scaling. If you are not building hp to have your bloblets live longer after you 'die', then you are not using him the way he is intended to be used: Fight/Bruiser and Tank. He becomes a distraction if he dies after initiation. Time is valuable in an objective based game like League and he has the potential to give them less time to focus on the enemy. (Unless he dies last)
Also, not seeing him as a tank when his bloblets also get magic resist and armor (50% of both) is ridiculous. You can also see this when he is clearly labeled as a Fighter and Tank. Are those just there for show for you?
The HP increase is still HP increase. Adding 1000 more hp to survive ADC's longer isn't a terrible idea. This isn't mentioning you can get AP and HP in at least one item. 
You want to fight? Take it up with the developers.
KoKoboto1 votesA lot of them actually. Zac abilities doesn't scale out of HP, armor or MR so he doesn't get any added bonus to buy them, plus since he is considered a tank his base damages are already quite high, this coupled with decent scalings (70% on E and 50% on Q) he can actually provide a lot of damage. If he got fed early he can go full AP and hope to finish the game before late game hits.
He did well early but the rest of the team except for me and my support weren't, and the enemy Hecarim whose only damage item was tri-force was killing our Zac every single teamfight because he went full AP... what do I do?
RogueWill2 votesHe did well early but the rest of the team except for me and my support weren't, and the enemy Hecarim whose only damage item was tri-force was killing our Zac every single teamfight because he went full AP... what do I do?
Easy actually, you don't teamfight. You focus on picks that should be easy with the slingshot and the now provided damage that your Zac has. You outrotate them, you go 
and start taking objective after objective avoiding any kind of conflict, if they contest an objective you instead forfeit it and trade it for something else on other side of the map.
KoKoboto2 votesEasy actually, you don't teamfight. You focus on picks that should be easy with the slingshot and the now provided damage that your Zac has. You outrotate them, you go
Yeah I like this idea it's what we were doing kinda, what do we do if the enemy team just groups mid because thats what happened. Also we got all of there outer towers before we started losing, can't really make picks when they all group mid.
RogueWill1 votesYeah I like this idea it's what we were doing kinda, what do we do if the enemy team just groups mid because thats what happened. Also we got all of there outer towers before we started losing, can't really make picks when they all group mid.
You go with a 1-3-1 and delay their advance, focus on waveclearing (like use every ability possible on minions) and force them to take an unfavorable fight under turret or stop the splitpushers. on a 1-3-1 the only choice they have is a quick brute force brake, there is no other way to break it.
Darkslayer851 votesWhy would you build diana full tank?
Darkslayer851 votesOh, I guess I was looking at the wrong game.
