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Tl;dr; Junglers In Premades You Aren't A Part Of Are Frustrating

Xonra··4 votes·1,098 views

Is there any way to make it so junglers just can't be in a premade somehow? I know that is gonna get me downvoted by premade guys, and I get that is a ridiculous thing to suggest (no really, I get it), but dear god, I think that is what I dislike about premades the most of everything.

In every game I've played this season that had a premade, if the jungler was in said premade, I am left on an island wherever I am (unless I'm playing support). If the jungler is in a premade, I will never see him top, or mid for that matter. It won't matter how pushed up the enemy laner is, how nicely I ask for help, how much the premade is feeding, or how much I get frustrated and just do the ask for help ping...nothing. I mean in at least two games I've played this week I've been in mid and the jungler kept giving blue to the non mana top laner they were premade with, to the point that I had to STEAL blue to get it...because I'm sorry, Renekton top who is like 1/6 doesn't need blue.

Nothing positive ever comes out of the premade having the jungler, because if you aren't in their premade, you are just straight up screwed for ganks, and god forbid on top of that the enemy laner you are against is IN the premade with their jungler. You might as well buy some lube and go afk bent over. I've accepted I'm stuck with Premade Queue, but the negatives of premade junglers specifically just gives me epic levels of salt.

18 Comments

Mecha Syrena2 votes

Implying you know whenever someone is premade and aren't projecting negative attributes onto an imaginary boogieman

Xonra2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mecha Syrena,realm=EUW,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=BM4kiTA5,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-06-23T02:25:39.120+0000)

Implying you know whenever someone is premade and aren't projecting negative attributes onto an imaginary boogieman

Feel free to leave the thread since you are just making up a statement I never made with some pointless assumption to try and negate my point and opinion. Never said I was just assuming every jungler was in a premade. I specifically stated (thought it was pretty clear) that I was talking about jungler in premades, as in I know they are a premade.

Feel free to try to defend your love of premades by making up arguments to counter points I never made in the first place.

Mecha Syrena1 votes

as in I know they are a premade.

Pray tell how do you have this Magic ability tot ell who is or isn't a premade?

Feel free to try to defend your love of premades

I don't have a love of premades.

I specifically stated (thought it was pretty clear) that I was talking about jungler in premades

And my Point was that you simply can not know if the jungler is or isn't in a premade UNLESS they have the same Club tag. In any other case you would simply be assuming if they are premade based on them Camping one lane.

People do not have to be in the same Club and beyond that People can be in 3 Clubs meaning even if they share a Club they can have different Club tags.

Xonra1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mecha Syrena,realm=EUW,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=BM4kiTA5,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-23T09:40:58.303+0000)

Pray tell how do you have this Magic ability tot ell who is or isn't a premade?

It's pretty simple actually. There is this new thing called Clubs. They have this little thing next to their name that is their club tag.

Also, you can just check op.gg for who the people you are currently in a match with have played with recently. If you see the same names multiple times, tada! Premade. It really is that simple.

I don't have a love of premades.

You would have fooled me (actually you did, and I still don't believe you).

And my Point was that you simply can not know if the jungler is or isn't in a premade UNLESS they have the same Club tag.

Guess I don't need to repeat what I answered above, but can't expect you to know I already answered this without you reading it first. But...just to reiterate, that ISN'T the only way to know. You are assuming it is, but it really isn't.

Mecha Syrena1 votes

Also, you can just check op.gg for who the people you are currently in a match with have played with recently. If you see the same names multiple times, tada! Premade. It really is that simple.

...I didn't expect you to look up everyone of your team mates on op.gg everytime you play

Xonra1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mecha Syrena,realm=EUW,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=BM4kiTA5,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-23T16:48:15.241+0000)

...I didn't expect you to look up everyone of your team mates on op.gg everytime you play

It is pretty common place. Not sure why you say that like it isn't. I mean, it is even a well known fact that it is common place by this point, ESPECIALLY since Riot removed the mark denoting premades (it used to just show you on op.gg for example).

Seriously, it's a pretty normal thing. It takes like 30 seconds to do when you are in the loading screen with nothing else to do anyways.

Mecha Syrena1 votes

I usually watch some podcast

Xonra1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mecha Syrena,realm=EUW,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=BM4kiTA5,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-23T17:42:09.554+0000)

I usually watch some podcast

To each his own and all that

Mecha Syrena1 votes

Sometimes i even make popcorn or order pizza

Mal the Red2 votes

With the new Club system it's pretty easy to tell if someone is pre-made.

I have had the unfortunate experience of being on a team with 4 pre-made that communicated exclusively on Skype or a similar program, leaving me entirely out of the loop

Understandably, my frustration grew as the game went on, and none of them bothered to tell me that their lanes were missing. They had the gall to tell me that "I said our lane was missing over voice chat." (That I'm not part of.) And the jungler refused to listen to my own grievances because he didn't want to feed them more.

Xonra1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mal the Red,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=BM4kiTA5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-06-23T02:39:03.079+0000)

With the new Club system it's pretty easy to tell if someone is pre-made.

Essentially this

I have had the unfortunate experience of being on a team with 4 pre-made that communicated exclusively on Skype or a similar program, leaving me entirely out of the loop

This tends to happen I have noticed with premades of 3 or more. Seems to be hit or miss with duos.

Understandably, my frustration grew as the game went on, and none of them bothered to tell me that their lanes were missing. They had the gall to tell me that "I said our lane was missing over voice chat." (That I'm not part of.) And the jungler refused to listen to my own grievances because he didn't want to feed them more.

Premades only drive me bonkers cause they (not all) can tend to not talk in chat when they are in voice, but yet in most cases (from my personal experiences only) will refuse, or simply not respond, if you ask to join their voice chat. It's rather frustrating not to be able to communicate with your team, and the only way they are, they refuse to include you in.

I mean I had a guy the other day on the boards straight up say he and his premade don't talk in chat, don't care, and refuse to let "some rando, scrub" as he worded it, join their voice chat.

Claret Tree1 votes

As someone who usually duos with their jungle friend, I don't usually see this sort of behaviour. We use Skype to communicate (as I mostly play support) but we still ping missing and others. I find that it is when you get to 3-4 mans that people stop pinging, which can get annoying. It doesn't matter if I'm in a 5 man on Skype, I still ping missing lol. My jungle friend usually ganks all the lanes, not just mine, and is extremely social on chat even though we're on voice call. I guess most people don't remember the good experiences they've had as the bad ones out weigh them. I can assure you however, not all premade junglers don't gank. Some you don't even realize are in a premade.

Xonra1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Claret Tree,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=BM4kiTA5,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-06-23T15:00:37.449+0000)

As someone who usually duos with their jungle friend, I don't usually see this sort of behaviour. We use Skype to communicate (as I mostly play support) but we still ping missing and others. I find that it is when you get to 3-4 mans that people stop pinging, which can get annoying. It doesn't matter if I'm in a 5 man on Skype, I still ping missing lol. My jungle friend usually ganks all the lanes, not just mine, and is extremely social on chat even though we're on voice call. I guess most people don't remember the good experiences they've had as the bad ones out weigh them. I can assure you however, not all premade junglers don't gank. Some you don't even realize are in a premade.

Your friend is one of the good ones in the minority then, and he should be given a big hug (no seriously). I see 1 for every 20 that are like your friend compared to those that are the opposite.

thekingofnido2 votes

As a jungle main who ques with a premade most of the time, I can say to you i don't care if you are in my premade im going to gank what ever lane/lanes i believe i can get an advantage in. That being said don't you think it is easier to set up a gank when your in voice call with your solo laner... And if you need a gank just ping one time don't spam ping... Junglers regardless of being premade or not they want to help the lanes that's why they jungle... just relax and try not to feed and ask politely for a gank. and don't blame the jungler if you lose lane because he didn't gank that is just an excuse.

Xonra1 votes

{quoted}

That being said don't you think it is easier to set up a gank when your in voice call with your solo laner

That's sort of my point, and never argued against that. It IS easier I'm sure, but when your mentality is "it's easier to gank for my friends in my voice chat" while the guy not in your premade is sitting there tapping his foot watching as you give twice as much attention to your friends, when realistically, you wouldn't do that if you weren't in the premade with them. I'm not saying you specifically will always do that, but you kind of just proved my point.

I mean, if you admit it is easier to gank for someone in voice, hence the conclusion being it is harder to gank for someone not in voice (or at least not as easy maybe would be the better wording), then you aren't really arguing against my point at all.

Say you gank 10 times, not counting any specific instance.

in a premade, you might gank for your premade in voice 3 times more, so say, 7 ganks out of 10 compared to trying to be more even, and making it closer to say, 4-5 times for that same person if you WEREN'T in voice chat with them in the same exact situations.

Those 2-3 ganks you decided to give to your friend over the "random", because they aren't in your voice chat, is still direct favoritism, and is my point. Those ganks you decided to give to your friend cause they are in voice chat, could have been winning the lane out right for the person you chose to essentially ignore because they are the solo.

I'm not blaming you, because we all would likely do it, but when you aren't in voice chat or the premade, you are kind of left out of the team, which completely defeats the purpose of this whole "DQ focuses on team play", because it doesn't. It focuses on premade team play.

thekingofnido1 votes

{quoted}

That's sort of my point, and never argued against that. It IS easier I'm sure, but when your mentality is "it's easier to gank for my friends in my voice chat" while the guy not in your premade is sitting there tapping his foot watching as you give twice as much attention to your friends, when realistically, you wouldn't do that if you weren't in the premade with them. I'm not saying you specifically will always do that, but you kind of just proved my point.

I mean, if you admit it is easier to gank for someone in voice, hence the conclusion being it is harder to gank for someone not in voice (or at least not as easy maybe would be the better wording), then you aren't really arguing against my point at all.

Say you gank 10 times, not counting any specific instance.

in a premade, you might gank for your premade in voice 3 times more, so say, 7 ganks out of 10 compared to trying to be more even, and making it closer to say, 4-5 times for that same person if you WEREN'T in voice chat with them in the same exact situations.

Those 2-3 ganks you decided to give to your friend over the "random", because they aren't in your voice chat, is still direct favoritism, and is my point. Those ganks you decided to give to your friend cause they are in voice chat, could have been winning the lane out right for the person you chose to essentially ignore because they are the solo.

I'm not blaming you, because we all would likely do it, but when you aren't in voice chat or the premade, you are kind of left out of the team, which completely defeats the purpose of this whole "DQ focuses on team play", because it doesn't. It focuses on premade team play.

ok yea you are probably right, I tend to show a little more focus on my premade lanes. but that is not always the case. if i see that our 1-2 randoms have really good matchups and have the potential to snowball i will focus more on that... in my premade we care more about winning and we do what it takes to win the game. i don't know if most people are like me but that's how we see the game my friend is a really good adc and we have a really good support player as well. so the nice thing is i can trust them to play safe and make it to late game if i believe my time is better spent in other lanes. Also we still communicate with our randoms with pings and typing in chat. so its not like being the third wheel. so if you get premades hope that they are players like me and my friends because we just want to win so if you deserve/need the ganks, you'll get them.

Dryditch1 votes

As a Jungler who often plays solo, the reason I stopped playing with premades is because they were too busy talking about irrelevant crap and actually fed me bad information so I just ganked for any solo player in the game and ignored them unless they were obviously in trouble.

Xonra1 votes

{quoted}

As a Jungler who often plays solo, the reason I stopped playing with premades is because they were too busy talking about irrelevant crap and actually fed me bad information so I just ganked for any solo player in the game and ignored them unless they were obviously in trouble.

Good to know not all of them are bad. Appreciate that.

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