I keep seeing things pop up about it. Generaly i only get it on tank supports(so 
etc) and bard. with bard you are already roaming so why not throw down a few. also ive been told he works good as a tank so theres that.
remember to be nice, please no rank nazis.
Deep Terror Nami8 votesAlways. That's pretty much all the discussion needed.
Krigjer1 votes[{quoted}](name=Valkyrie Witch,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=8bMy8LTE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-05-18T17:51:49.313+0000)
Always. That's pretty much all the discussion needed.
Perfect.
Now, who I'm playing determines how soon I buy it. But I'm still buying wards until I purchase sightstone. Vision is important.
TeemoJenkins5 votesTank Supports: Mandatory - there's no reason not to buy it, HP and vision = win. AP Supports - completely depends on how the game is going. I've realistically only NOT bought sightstone as a support once and that was when my ADC was afk for the first 7 minutes and I ended up 4 and 0 bot lane with some great jungle help - otherwise I build sightstone, because having a scanner is mandatory for good supports so you can't rely on your trinket.
IcyPepper5 votesA better question is
"how often do you buy wards (not just using your trinket) as the non-support?"
If you compare the answers to that with your question, the difference is startling. People expect a 0 cs support to sink their first 800 gold into vision when they aren't even willing to spend 75 gold every once in awhile throughout the entire game.
And people wonder why support mains get pissed off.
Angry Monster2 votesFirst off the 2 questions are not related. The real question is how many non sight stone wards the support should be expected to buy? The answer is a few pinks through out the game, if they have a sight stone.
Most support mains do not get pissed off. The very minor minority that like to whine come to the forums and whine.
Every support should buy a sightstone end of statement, no questions. After a sightstone i do not care if the player goes full AP on Sona support.
IcyPepper2 votesI think you missed the entire point of my comment, especially since you didn't even bother to mention vision responsibility for non-support players. Really sends the "it's the support's job to ward" vibe, even if it's not intended. That's the kind of thing that pisses support mains off.
Angry Monster1 votesi did mention it. I said it was not part of the conversation; aka was worthless or no real meaning.
It is never about what the other people are doing, sure they should do X. Who the fuck cares. Every support SHOULD, no matter what, build a sight stone. You want to win? You do what you are supposed to do and not worry about idiot team mates.
You mentioned a very minor part of the player base (whinny forum posters) as butt hurt/upset. Again do not care.
IcyPepper1 votesBut supports buying pink wards, as you brought up, are much more relevant.
Okay.
Angry Monster1 votesYep cause its the only ward i expect them to buy when they have a sight stone.
I know this is hard for you to understand. Try to keep up
IcyPepper3 votesMust you act like an utter ass?
I'm just trying to say that some of us don't like building sightstone because other people don't ward and use us as a crutch, as a subtle way of saying "it's the support's job to ward."
Completely disregarding the entire point of my post, support gold income and the difference in gold spent between supports and laners when it comes to vision, then insulting my intelligence makes you come across as an asshole. If you can't be polite (OP did say discuss kindly) and at least humor my position, then please don't respond if you can't even consider what I'm trying to say.
So in other words, either be polite and actually discuss my points, or just don't respond. Disregarding everything I say and insulting me is no way to have a polite conversation, and I have every right to ask you not to be a jerk. If you can't do that, then don't respond to this.
Angry Monster1 votesSo in other words, either be polite and actually discuss my points, or just don't respond. Disregarding everything I say and insulting me is no way to have a polite conversation, and I have every right to ask you not to be a jerk. If you can't do that, then don't respond to this.
or what you will tell your mommy? I am sry that you are not able to comprehend my earlier posts.
Completely disregarding the entire point of my post
is legit since it is worthless and has no merit.
Linna Excel1 votesI'm just trying to say that some of us don't like building sightstone because other people don't ward and use us as a crutch, as a subtle way of saying "it's the support's job to ward."
I think this is an important discussion to have.
Vision should be EVERYONE'S JOB. If you are the only one warding chances are no one else is paying attention to the map because if it were important to them, they'd be warding up too.
This is one of the reasons I've been trying to lobby riot to make the sightstone a trinket upgrade only. Spend 400 gp, get a charge every 60 seconds or refill on basing, 3 charges max.
IcyPepper1 votessighs
I really wish there was some in-game reward for rewarding that's obvious, just like a kill giving gold. Some form of positive reinforcement. We all know that vision is a tactical advantage, but so is killing the enemy or taking a tower, and those directly give gold.
:/
Linna Excel1 votesMy last game as Ashe I got 2 pinks for my tribush. My janna ended up rage quitting after a teamfight and we had to surrender.
adkoralmighty5 votesi buy sightstone every time i support no matter what. because if i didn't there would be no wards on the map and our jungle and neutral objectives would probably be littered with enemy wards.
Quintastic4 votesI don't buy sightstone anymore. In Bronze vision means jack shit. We could have the old ward system back where I can have the entire map lit up like a Christmas tree with every spare gold I could muster and the enemy Jungle would still get a double kill on bot lane while my team rages at me "wtf no wards? Noob support".
Strawberrycocoa3 votesAlways, I like keeping the two entry points and the river (or brush if there's a Leona or Blitz opposing us) lit up.
RedBlud2 votesWhen i support, 99% its 
. My first back is generally Sheen or components + a pink and green, then i get sightstone on 2nd back.
Lights And Magic1 votesI get it if my ADC isn't kalista and/or nobody else is buying wards, especially if I can sacrifice one of my item slots for it (eg on Janna)
aaronautumn1 votesidk how else you're going to get vision, the trinket takes too long to charge.
Fredart1 votesWho needs vision if you have a minimap? Just pay attention to it.
Strawberrycocoa4 votesMinimap's no good when large swaths of it are covered in 
daaaaaarkneesssssssssssssssss
50000000000000001 votesWho said never?
Dangerous Man1 votesOnly if the game is going good because if it's going bad we usually cant stop drag/baron. I also dont if there is a Teemo on our team
CrazedPorcupine1 votesI buy sightstone on every support ever. It's free wards, it pays for itself, and is honestly too good not to get. Plus if you really want to save money, you can then upgrade your trinket to either the red trinket, or the pink ward trinket.
ShaftyMegee1 votesI buy sights tone for every single support I play.
Der Lindwurm1 votesI always get it every time and can't imagine playing support without it.
Colgate Gator1 votes100% of the games I go support I get one.
Truth to be told, I don't really care if someone wants to go Vladimir support or something like that, as long as they get the bare minimum and get Sightstone for vision control, they can do whatever they want.
The only case I can think of is something like an Annie-kind of Champion who's going 4/0 and basically carrying us, but then someone else should get the sighstone.
aaronconlin1 votesI always get it, and try to get it early. Vision at dragon and to protect from ganks is well worth the price tag. If I upgrade it or not is another story, unless it's late and I'm already full build
EndlessSorcerer1 votesI always buy it. That might change if I could trust my team to upgrade their trinkets or ward appropriately, but that rarely happens in solo-queue. Sightstone also lets you get Oracle's Len for dewarding objectives and paths to arrange picks and rotations.
Aerothal1 votesif you dont get it you just fucked your team and yourself. Vision is the single most important thing a support can provide for the team. You think its cool that you do damage in teamfights? so do i! really! But i like to plan those fights, and use the knowledge of where my enemy is to my advantage and chose the place of the teamfight because we know where they are! By all means, build your ap items or w/e. but do that AFTER you rush sightstone!!!
also take into account:
Shroom Junkie1 votesI build it on every support. They need it. Even if its just mid-game, you need that vision badly.
Urianger1 votesAlways. Every single time. And a pink. And an upgraded red trinket.
Always ward, cause you might just be the only one warding. Nothing shuts up a teammate who yells at you for having low vision like "Well, all of the wards I can possibly place are already out, but I see you haven't even upgraded your yellow trinket yet, so..."
Cindikle1 votesThere is no reason to not buy it.
It will save you more gold as the game goes than anything else. (While you can argue gold generating items can gain you more, they also cost more, netting you less gold).
Don't bother bringing up the upgraded yellow trinket. You wont in a vision war with 2 charges. And you'll have to spend more gold on wards before level 9. Sightstone is easily gotten before level 6. Top it off getting red trinket brings in even more gold.
Edit: Now if you asked about Ruby Sightstone. I'd respond "When I'm rolling in so much gold I wonder why i didn't build damage."
Linna Excel1 votesThere is no reason to not buy it.
If no one on your team is paying attention to the map, including you, it's pointless.
Cindikle1 votesThen it sounds like they really need it even more. Not going to learn if they don't start using them. Sounds like that whole team should buy one.
Der Lindwurm1 votesWell, after a six game losing streak I'm starting to question its usefulness at low MMRs. I think one thing I'll enjoy a lot more about playing support when I've worked my way up higher is players who actually use vision to their advantage and try to stay one step ahead of enemy movements. Where I'm at though most other players don't even buy wards probably because they don't understand what they're for.
Linna Excel1 votesIf the rest of the team upgrades their yellows post nine, you can probably get away with not getting a sightstone. I generally buy one, however it isn't always my first priority.
Davy Crockett1 votesEVERY. SINGLE. GAME.
Unless the support gets super fed(or off-meta (or really off-meta)) then everyone upgrades trinkets and doesn't bother with denying vision.
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesFor any support, tanks or not, Sightstone is always a first buy. Leaving as a last minute item is seriously risky & detrimental, as you get ganked for very low vision & losing multiple drag vision makes last minute warding more invaluable.
