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Riot is jsut confirming how useless blinds are...

Gubaguy··3 votes·641 views

For those who havnt already seen: http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/PE1LJTOM-quinn-pbe-feedback-thread

quinn no longer blinds champions, leaving teemo the ONLY champion in the game with this ability. Ive made numerous posts explaining how blinds do fuck-all in game, and this is jsut riot confirming this point. they woudl rather retool quinn into a general ADC by removing all of her assassination tools, and instead of reworking blinding into a usable ability they woudl rather remove it completley.

How hard woudl it have been to fix blinds? i LOVE the mechanic, its so easy, here let me do it for you:

Q- blinding assult: sends valor forward and blinds all enemies in a small AOE. blinded enemies auto attacks have a 100% chance to miss, have vision reduced by 50% for the duration, and targeted abilities do 50% less damage. On hit abilities will NOT trigger on auto attacks. Lasts 1-3 seconds.

How hard is that? i get it you think its jsut too powerful... but you know who already has this ability? Jax Yeah, he almsot has this EXACT same ability, autos cant hit him, he takes reduced damage form certain abilities, AND it BOOSTS HIS RETURNED DAMAGE.

But lets say this is a smart move to remove blinds... you took an assassin based ADC, who can easily 100-0 you if used properly, and reduced her down to a normal ADC. And not only that, but you removed 90% of her ults damage by removing the attack speed scaling, AND removing the damage based on missing HP.

does Jinx Get this treatment? Can we remove the missing HP damage form HER ult too?

You basically jsut took quinn out behind the nexus and put both barrels into her at this point. If you are going to jsut destroy a champion to the point of unplayability jsut delete the champion and dont waste everyone's time.

8 Comments

ChaosReignsDown1 votes

Yeah, Quinn just got **** on. Sorry if anyone mains her... item 3070 Quinn

1800HookMyLane1 votes

I agree with OP. A friend of mine that I duo with pretty often played a lot of ADC Quinn and we absolutely destroyed together. Maybe it was our synergy, or patience involving trades, or tracking their mid / jg or a combination. The point being, Quinn was THE go-to for handling heavy sustain AD Carry champs. Now that she's lost her blind, it's like post grievous wounds removal MF. There's no real incentive to all in other than "Can I XXX-0 the enemy ADC and survive it".

It seems counter intuitive that according to Riot members themselves they want Marksmen to feel unique with individual strengths and weaknesses but then Quinn gets gutted. That was really her only 1 up in bottom lane, and what made her viable top lane as a kite/blind ADC against melee bruisers.

Möral Support1 votes

Can i comment saying you're looking at this WAYYYYY Too wrong! Sure the blind is there but the point of quinn's marksmanship is she converts from a long range marksman to a melee bruiser. They wanted to emphasize that turning into valor has more priority than just chasing or running away (because currently thats all it is.) Secondly, did you see the buffs to valor? I mean it really looks cool! New damages to explore and not to mention maybe a new item COUGH might be added to decrease hit chance? I'm not saying for certain but i think the marksmanship update will surely shine some more light onto her instead of nerfing her into the ground.

Gubaguy1 votes

"buffs" to valor? you mean removing the missing HP damage, attack speed scaling, and adding a 2 second channel forcing quinn to stand there and possibly DIE whenever she wants to use it in combat? and removing the blind means she rushes into a fight and has 0 protection, sure she can leap, a leap that can be interupted easily and has a reletivly long animation time given that other ADC's like vayne or trist can knockback/dash/leap/wahtever almsot instantly.

Quinn has been destoryed compltely, and its not fair.

Möral Support1 votes

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"buffs" to valor? you mean removing the missing HP damage, attack speed scaling, and adding a 2 second channel forcing quinn to stand there and possibly DIE whenever she wants to use it in combat? and removing the blind means she rushes into a fight and has 0 protection, sure she can leap, a leap that can be interupted easily and has a reletivly long animation time given that other ADC's like vayne or trist can knockback/dash/leap/wahtever almsot instantly.

Quinn has been destoryed compltely, and its not fair.

WELL lets take a look at xerath.... if he wants to use his ult... what does he do? He goes off to the side and casts it... its the same concept with quinn, also Quinn's Leap is hard as hell to stop! you need to time that flay or whatever 7 seconds in advance before she even casts it. Trist's jump is easily baitable and then instant crowd control stops it. (Thresh can SEE a trist winding up for a jump so he has time to plan the flay. Quinn's jump is instant.) Can i also add that quinn isn't that bad at all points of the game. She has decent pressence early with the valor procs and her late game is monstrous. She's not too terrible from behind and she is one of the only adc's to have a massive ultimate that does aoe. (Graves Ezreal, and MF are only other ones. [Jinx does not count her ult requires a target to hit and twitch is an auto attack based ult that is the same as Jinx in a way requriing a target.])

I dont want to bring OP.GG into either but you're silver 4... When higher elo players pick up quinn they often times dominate with her and now that valor is getting buffs she can easily become meta. Attack speed is some times better than damage.... especially when it comes to certain champions. (VAYNE AND KALISTA)

I also don't mean to be the one vayne supporter here but VAYNE took some BIG hits (I also agree it was well deserved).

I also dont want to mention but Quinn is not an assassin marksman.... Twitch is an assassin marksman who relies on using stealth and popping people when they're alone. Quinn is an all-in-dive kinda champion.

Gubaguy1 votes

quinns leap is NOT hard to stop she dives in a straight line directly at her target, any CC or disruption effect stops her and forces her to sit for the duration of what would have been the ability, a good .5-2 seconds of her jsut sitting there like an idiot.

and you dont seem to be abel to read, THEY ARE TAKING AWAY HER ULTS DAMAGE. its going to have FLAT damage, no more damage based on HP, its gone, done, over with, no more. her one SINGLE ability that cna ensure a champions death is BEING REMOVED. As well her passive is being reworked and now no longer does flat AD, but instead % ad, taking away MORE damage. and keep in mind how buggy her passive is, ive had fights where valor marks and i auto and nothign happens, the mark is still there, and ive had moments where ive leap off them and didnt auto them, again, jsut sat there.

And vayne didnt get nerfed, did you even READ the info on her? they are buffing her silve rbolts procs. she now does MORE damage per hit in true damage.

also im silver 4, and used to be silver 2, so i dont know where you are reading im S5, but you might wnat to look again.

Möral Support1 votes

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quinns leap is NOT hard to stop she dives in a straight line directly at her target, any CC or disruption effect stops her and forces her to sit for the duration of what would have been the ability, a good .5-2 seconds of her jsut sitting there like an idiot.

and you dont seem to be abel to read, THEY ARE TAKING AWAY HER ULTS DAMAGE. its going to have FLAT damage, no more damage based on HP, its gone, done, over with, no more. her one SINGLE ability that cna ensure a champions death is BEING REMOVED. As well her passive is being reworked and now no longer does flat AD, but instead % ad, taking away MORE damage. and keep in mind how buggy her passive is, ive had fights where valor marks and i auto and nothign happens, the mark is still there, and ive had moments where ive leap off them and didnt auto them, again, jsut sat there.

And vayne didnt get nerfed, did you even READ the info on her? they are buffing her silve rbolts procs. she now does MORE damage per hit in true damage.

also im silver 4, and used to be silver 2, so i dont know where you are reading im S5, but you might wnat to look again.

Okay you're over reacting... second of all 1 division isn't anything.

Vayne got NERFED HEAVY. I dont know if you realize but losing half of your attack damage early is a HUGE nerf. Everyone will out trade her regardless now and she will become useless. Her scaling becomes nerfed because of the lessened damage. (THOSE SILVER BOLTS DONT MEAN ANYTHING IF YOU ARENT CHUNKING THROUGH REGULAR AUTOS EITHER) Vayne's silver bolts do 4% more damage... as of now that isnt much more than live's vayne. She is a monster right now and this REALLY reforms her. Back to quinn: They ARENT removing her ults damage. IF YOU CAN READ. Flat damage on her ult means it will do set amounts the numbers ARENT FINAL YET. If you cancel a dash or jump you don't wait out the duration I hope you realise. Its the ability's built in CC that makes you stand still afterwards. Making her passive scale %ad is HUGE for lategame. If you hit six items you are destroying with the passive then. Sorry you have had bugs maybe you should try sending a real bugsplat report because I dont get any bugs for the past times I played quinn. That passive "Bug" if you want to call it that, would be fixed later.

Möral Support1 votes

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quinns leap is NOT hard to stop she dives in a straight line directly at her target, any CC or disruption effect stops her and forces her to sit for the duration of what would have been the ability, a good .5-2 seconds of her jsut sitting there like an idiot.

and you dont seem to be abel to read, THEY ARE TAKING AWAY HER ULTS DAMAGE. its going to have FLAT damage, no more damage based on HP, its gone, done, over with, no more. her one SINGLE ability that cna ensure a champions death is BEING REMOVED. As well her passive is being reworked and now no longer does flat AD, but instead % ad, taking away MORE damage. and keep in mind how buggy her passive is, ive had fights where valor marks and i auto and nothign happens, the mark is still there, and ive had moments where ive leap off them and didnt auto them, again, jsut sat there.

And vayne didnt get nerfed, did you even READ the info on her? they are buffing her silve rbolts procs. she now does MORE damage per hit in true damage.

also im silver 4, and used to be silver 2, so i dont know where you are reading im S5, but you might wnat to look again.

Also take a look at Quinn's buffs in damage to 56.46 from 51.04. She loses scaling AD sure but she is gaining early trades and making farming easier. She'll become more boosted through items. Valor's speed is HUGE now too that isnt going to change the fact she is hyper mobile now. Missing HP Q? Hello that's AMAZING. Not to mention Ariel Assault is going to become a farming tool. And if you would read her dash speed is increased dramatically.

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