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Blatant disrespect of CertainlyT and other Rioters (got deleted in G&B so re-posting here)

Chuck Charles··5 votes·462 views

Maybe its because I'm an older guy myself, but in these forums I see too many people so quick to use harsh and unfair judgements of people who work on this game. Specifically CertainlyT gets a lot of crap from these forums for doing his job to what he feels is the best of his ability. I feel no one should be immune to constructive criticism, and I'm sure rioters even agree. I'm sure they all are ok with our criticism if its in a constructive matter, but the problem is...well it isn't. the second problem beyond the blatant rude and disrespectful words I've seen on here is the lack of perspective.

When I see posts like "certainlyT's creations are all cancer and trash and this man deserves to be fired for the shit he has put out. he has no idea how to properly balance or blah blah blah insult insult insult". you get my point. a lot of the time its because the community is frustrated with current states of gameplay or they didn't like what rework he did. Fair enough. I'm sure certainlyT doesn't mind that you dislike it, its feedback for him and lets him know where he MIGHT have messed up. But the man is just doing his job. He is trying to create new, interesting, and exciting stuff for the game, and you just cut him down in the harshest of ways. There is a RIGHT and a wrong way to voice your OPINION, which is what it is. And for those of you who say "well its widely known the entire community doesn't like CertainlyT's or (insert rioter that gets hate here)'s work"...that is where perspective comes in.

Even if a post gets 1000 upvotes and the majority of this forum's posters agree on an opinion...it does not necessarily mean that opinion is fact or right. Generally speaking its likely, and I'm sure the rioters take note of this. But league of legends has MILLIONS of players WORLDWIDE and you expect your 1000 upvotes or sometimes less to be instantly considered the law? Sure, im sure they consider what you have said, but they have A LOT of things they have to consider from LCS to bronze V in nations across an entire planet.

I understand the frustration people have, but its sad and a little disheartening to see the disrespect on here people have for the ones trying to make us a good game and make it fun. I love league of legends. Its an amazing game and I'm a little jealous I don't get to the do the awesome job these guys do. These guys are hand picked to do what they do because riot feels they are best for their position. considering the growth, popularity, and awesomeness that is league of legends, I'd say they have an idea or two what they are doing. If you are going to criticize don't cut them down in such a rude way. Respect the people who try to make your experience more fun for a living.

rant over.

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AyRe CoNteMpT4 votes

if you do a shitty job, you get crap. same in politics, same in business, same in videogames. if you consistently do a shitty job and your superiors keep letting you do this job despite many people being very unhappy with it, the crap will simply get more and more.

basically you get what you deserve.

PS: just as a side note, i think giving him crap for his champions is absolutely not disrespectful. what really is disrespectful is that despite his champions being really unhealthy for the game and zero fun to play against, he is allowed to continually release more of the same. that is flat out disrespectful to the community.

edit: he aint the worst of the bunch i gotta say, even tho he made yasuo. but man people just forgot about how to make good champions. maybe they should learn from shurelya instead of being all like "duuh show some respect for my kalista its such a fun and cool champ"

Chuck Charles1 votes

{quoted}

if you do a shitty job, you get crap. same in politics, same in business, same in videogames. if you consistently do a shitty job and your superiors keep letting you do this job despite many people being very unhappy with it, the crap will simply get more and more.

basically you get what you deserve.

PS: just as a side note, i think giving him crap for his champions is absolutely not disrespectful. what really is disrespectful is that despite his champions being really unhealthy for the game and zero fun to play against, he is allowed to continually release more of the same. that is flat out disrespectful to the community.

edit: he aint the worst of the bunch i gotta say, even tho he made yasuo. but man people just forgot about how to make good champions. maybe they should learn from shurelya instead of being all like "duuh show some respect for my kalista its such a fun and cool champ"

I literally said in my post that its ok to criticize, but people do not do it constructively. Here are just a few of the quotes from the thread while it was on G&B

"he fucked up and wont admit it im sorry but riot is a company if an employ screws up they need to admit it and try to fix it he has done nothing so he ether needs to get fired or own up to what he did."

"Literally every single one of CertainlyT's creations have been unbalanceable pieces of bullshit that completely break the game whenever they are viable."

I mean just the tone, the language and aggressiveness alone is ridiculous. this is not the only examples obviously, I've seen A LOT worse towards CertainlyT and its ridiculous to read. Treat the man with the respect. If you say "well I don't like his design because X" well thats ok! criticism towards anyone is ok. but I said in my post its the blatant disrespect I see that is upsetting.

AyRe CoNteMpT2 votes

look i dont say you should be rude, but among all the criticism there is plenty of constructive one but you know, even tho he gets constructive criticism, we dont get better results so at some point, people will simply lose their respect for him and all the other guys who have, plain and simply, not alot of skill in what they are doing.

Chuck Charles1 votes

{quoted}

look i dont say you should be rude, but among all the criticism there is plenty of constructive one but you know, even tho he gets constructive criticism, we dont get better results so at some point, people will simply lose their respect for him and all the other guys who have, plain and simply, not alot of skill in what they are doing.

keep in mind that this is your opinion, and is popular relative only to what you see with the boards here. as I said in my post, the forums represent a TINY fraction of the player base.

AyRe CoNteMpT2 votes

sure and the majority of the fraction they represent have also no clue what they are doing so i must admit if i was any rito employee, i wouldnt give two flying shits about what any noob on the board cries out for.

i mean honestly they probably take a while to build their champs and have alot of fun doing so and they are proud of them and their ideas and feel so good about it that they cant imagine their champ to be a complete piece of shit when it comes to actually implementing it into the game. they just cant imagine it and if anyone tells them so, they are like "Omg you dont understand my art" or something ;D

i would be the same if i was making champs here. i'd give zero fuck about boards or some noobs opinions and if faker plays my champ mid, thats total proof of it being super cool.

well, in the end there is nothing you can do about anything. they make their champs and you gotta live with it.

Ulquiorra9953 votes

CertainlyT's disrespect is fairly earned. When, say, Mordekaiser's rework was first announced, a lot of people (myself included) came out with respectable, constructive messages about why is the rework bad and what should be fixed. Unfortunately, all of these messages have fallen upon the deaf ears of CertainlyT, whose only response can be summed as "I did this change because of blah blah, too bad you don't like it since I'm not changing them anyway." And if good criticism gets completely ignored, only thing left to people is to rage and insult only to vent their frustrations if nothing else at least. Not like CertainlyT would read those insults anyway since he never reads any player feedback altogether.

Chuck Charles2 votes

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CertainlyT's disrespect is fairly earned. When, say, Mordekaiser's rework was first announced, a lot of people (myself included) came out with respectable, constructive messages about why is the rework bad and what should be fixed. Unfortunately, all of these messages have fallen upon the deaf ears of CertainlyT, whose only response can be summed as "I did this change because of blah blah, too bad you don't like it since I'm not changing them anyway." And if good criticism gets completely ignored, only thing left to people is to rage and insult only to vent their frustrations if nothing else at least. Not like CertainlyT would read those insults anyway since he never reads any player feedback altogether.

You expect him to create a rework and because some people on this forum tell him it's not good, he instantly reacts and changes what he worked on without seeing how it does?

That's chiliish, unrealistic, and immature.

Ulquiorra9951 votes

I'm not expecting him to take every single thing community says to heart. Look at what happened to Skarner that way - 64% winrate and an immediate hotfix. But he definitely should still listen to some things that make sense. We didn't ask to completely change the rework. For example, when players said that because of how botlane works Mordekaiser would either have to be brutally overpowered (which was achieved) in order to compete with dominant ranged carries or be useless. Players have said that this rework is going to create an extreme;y toxic and binary abomination the way it was going. And look at where we are - Mordekaiser is now an unholy beast that can't be fixed except by a revert or another full-scale rework. Things that could have been easily avoided if CertainlyT had took at least some feedback.

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