The B5 Discrimination Is Out of Hand

EkkoFroffles··2 votes·741 views

Just lost a match in Team Builder doing all I could as Garen when both other lanes lost and then my team couldn't not feed all 3 carries (Irelia, Viktor, Tristana). Irelia was a certified idiot, ulting me almost exclusively when I was at full HP, and I made her look foolish in laning phase, so her finishing the match 15/7/9 (compared to my 13/5/5) pained me.

Funny thing is, she was the one talking the most crap after the match. "I cringe at Garen," she said. "Only plays Garen and B5. He's like the stereotype." (Looks at their stats) Bronze I, but lower overall win rate than me (47% to my 48%). Granted, they have 99 matches to my 223, but still. With just Garen I have 119 matches played and a higher win rate (53%). The only champions with a 50% or higher and over 2 matches for them are Udyr (12-8) and Jayce (4-1). With my 7 most played champions, I'm 104-104, and this person's 29-35. And I could go on.

But because they're a B1 (AKA, suck a tiny bit less rank wise) they feel all high and mighty. I see this sort of insanity all the time. It's to the point where I'm no longer surprised if a B4 dismisses me in match, even when I'm outperforming him, because I'm B5. I thought it was understood that bronze is bronze, and your position in it doesn't matter all that much in the grand scheme of things. Heck, I see people call silver just a continuation of bronze, saying that you don't really escape that "ELO Hell" people like to talk about and get to where people know what they're doing until you at least reach gold. So why still so much discrimination?

I'll be the first to admit I still have plenty of room to improve. I don't have delusions of grandeur or anything. Sure, I believe I can take a silver with my main, Garen, as I've done it in the past in team builder when my higher MMR friends made it so I drew one. But I know that, overall, I have nowhere to go but up. And being in that position, I find myself sympathetic to others in my situation, and I don't think I'll ever stop being sympathetic even if I reach gold or higher.

If someone's B5 and has a sub-40% win rate, with no champions over 50%, poke fun if you so please. For everyone else, try to look a little further past their rank, please. You never know what other factors could be at play and, if you're silver or bronze, whether or not they could still beat you. I'm being 100% honest when I say this isn't an attempt to boost my own ego, since not being a more well rounded player is what I've sought most to improve, but if I could just play my mains every match in ranked I'd probably be up there with that Irelia in B1. It's when I have to go outside my comfort zone that I fall on my face, which is why I've barely played any ranked at all the past month or two and focused almost solely on improving at the roles I used to be least comfortable at, namely support.

21 Comments

TitanBlackReaper3 votes

The only time I have a problem with Bronzes, silvers etc etc is when they start talking nonsense because first, its normals, most people dont really try and just want to have fun, two, they will never face me in a ranked game. Although I too am sympathetic for the people who really want to learn. Yes, no one should be shamed for wanting to learn or get better. But alas its the internet and their are too many warriors behind that screen.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

The only time I have a problem with anyone is when they start talking nonsense. Like I had a guy playing Gnar top yesterday seriously tell me that he didn't call MIA on Riven those two times, which both resulted in my death mid (I was at turret the first time too, so not overextended or anything), because "laning phase is over, brah." And, believe it or not, I was the one being called an idiot by my teammates. "You can't even lane as Malzahar." (Points out I've been behind against Xerath because he roamed bot and, even with an MIA and signalling them to be careful, he got a double) "You're the feeder," said my support, who had 2 fewer deaths... which can be accounted for largely by getting surprise wrecked by Riven those two times. Oh, and I proceeded to almost help carry them, going 17/8/6. But that Gnar kept pushing in way deep top with no ward coverage, only to ignore my pings even when we did happen to have a ward somewhere between mid and top lane that clearly showed 3 of them coming up while he's at their second to last turret. He finished 6/12/12, and the only other one on my team with fewer than 10 deaths (besides me) was our support, who went 4/5/19. Yet I was the one they were talking crap to.

ZeeDrakon1 votes

On a side note., that reply is stupid but its your job to look at the map. You cant blame someone for not writing miss in chat...

EkkoFroffles1 votes

First of all, not "writing" it? I'm talking about pinging it, which takes a split second. Second of all, I was busy being tower dived by 2 enemies the first time, I believe my ward in river had just expired, and nobody else was warding minus the support. Plus, it's Riven, one of the easiest and fastest champs to get from one lane to the next with. Tell me again how he shouldn't have given me an MIA warning and how that's entirely my fault? I literally killed one of the two who dived me, went to back off towards base, between our second and third turrets, and Riven swept in and wrecked me because 1) she's Riven and 2) he'd been losing lane to her all this time, meaning she was ahead of me as well.

The second time I was being chased and running towards him top, and he was standing right there when Riven clearly started making it straight for me, but rather than follow or at least MIA he let me get sandwiched between the two who were already chasing me and Riven. I literally had zero chance both times. I should probably have run into our jungle towards our base instead, since he was incapable of issuing a single MIA ping the entire match, but I had two people on my tail and so I wasn't thinking completely clearly.

Anyway, that aside, I can blame him for his complete lack of map awareness, as about half of his deaths were of the variety I described, ignoring a half dozen pings from us while he's pushed in way too deep top with 2-3 coming for him.

ZeeDrakon1 votes

its not that he SHOULDNT have, its that you SHOULDNT blame him for it since overextending with a toplaner missing is YOUR fault and not his.

if you get sandwiched him following would most likely result in a double for the enemies if he is already losing, so blaming him for this is even more stupid

also, his map awareness doesnt matter right here. you flaming him for your own lack of map awareness isnt countered by his'

EkkoFroffles1 votes

First instance, I was between two of my own turrets. Second instance, I was right where the left side of the jungle enters the river, which was also right near my own turret. I was being ganged up on, not over-extended, and still near my own turret(s). I don't think asking for an MIA is ridiculous, especially when I wasn't "flaming" him, at least not at first. The first time I literally just said to him "where's the MIA"?

Commit Sudoku2 votes

It gives me cancer to play with players that just make bad decisions all game. It happens in Gold and Plat too.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

Yes, if someone is making bone-headed decisions, then feel free to talk trash. But if someone walks all over you 1v1, and you only win because you got to feed on his weaker, dumber teammates, don't talk trash. You're only going to make yourself look stupid. Especially when your stats look like those of a fellow B5. I mean, who's worse, the Irelia who leads off with her ult every time when I, the tank, am at full HP, or the Garen who couldn't save his teammates from themselves because they kept messing up, and refusing to buy any defensive items (aside from our Hecarim jungler)? Though, in general, people seem to think them winning automatically means they're better than everyone else on the opposing team and/or have free reign to just yammer on and on about how bad the opposing team is and how great they are. Even if it was a 4v5, as another recent thread pointed out.

JAGMAG2 votes

I understand and agree i am b5 and i get allot of crap about it from my friends who are silver-gold however i can hold my own against the higher ranks up to mid gold (plats rape me thou). part of the reason im b5 is because im still paying for my sins from last season i went into ranked and lost...allot and completely tanked my mmr to at one point i was about 400mmr (or more) below the league average according to third party sites. So i can climb out of b5 (ive done it multiple times) but staying out is hard because as soon as i get into b4 i begin to lose 20-22 and only gain about 14 so it sends me back to b5 fairly quickly. So here i am stuck in b5 yet i can solo lane against golds XD but ill never get the respect for that till i actually mange to climb to gold which one day ill hopefully do. :3

EkkoFroffles1 votes

You'll probably get downvoted, but I know the struggle. I tanked my MMR early this season and have had to work extra hard to recover ever since, so it's been quite an uphill climb. I also shouldn't have even bothered with ranked during pre-season since I was even worse then (though somehow still had B3) than I am now, which isn't surprising as it was my first time playing ranked since starting to play late last year.

JAGMAG1 votes

XD i might i know lots of b5 players are like i train with plats (then get destroyed in b5 ranked game) but ill admit i used to be really bad at this game (not saying im good just not as bad as i was) i played against people better than me to try and get better plus i play with higher elos because all my friends are higher elo all the way to plat (which is why i know plats rape me) and yeah when i first started i didn't realize how different draft pick and the strategy behind it was to blind pick so i would pick champs that are good in blind pick were you cant prepare for it but not good in draft were you can and my pool was pretty small to a few easily countered champions...so yeah i tanked it hard at first XD

ZeeDrakon2 votes

So, i agree with you on the part that bashing low elo players is stupid. I tend to get mad if a bronze player tries to argue with me about my main role/champs on the boards but thats it. Its perfectly okay to not be good at this game, es pecially when you try to improve.

but compari ng winrates doesnt work here, since shes playiing against better opponenrs. And yes, there is a skill difference between b5 and b1

Randomonium4 votes

Maybe its different on EUW but in NA there really isnt much of a difference between even bronze and silver players. I've seen Silver I players with horrible mechanics, map awareness, and cs numbers and I've had Bronze V players carry a team full of silvers and golds.

I agree that win rates really don't matter at low elos though. I also agree that unless you are plat or above you really should keep your mouth shut and not bash players based on their rank.

ZeeDrakon1 votes

yes, but you most likely arent able to evaluate other players skill based on one match. beeing lucky/unlucky one game =/= beeing the better player

even in plat upwards there is no reason to flame someone for beeing bad. honestly, i dont care if your playing bad as long as your not annoying me with either flame or arguing with me about how you are good

EkkoFroffles1 votes

To be clear, I'm not in any way trying to be one of those "you had a bad match (well, laning phase), therefore you are a bad player" sort of people. It was just another sign to me that the gap between us wasn't so wide that she had room to talk, what with her complete inability to learn from her mistakes against me. Even when she started getting fed, she still kept trying to ult me from the start, and she still kept doing no damage, but that never stopped her. Does this one match mean she's awful? No, not at all. It was just one of the many factors that had me shaking my head at her holier than thou attitude.

You're right about there being no reason to flame someone for being bad, too. About the only time I'll say anything about your play is if you're trying to 1v3 levels behind, or ignoring our pings to be careful, or any number of things that takes a special kind of stupid. And even then I try not to "flame" because I know it's not productive. Honestly, I'm only compelled to flame when that person is also toxic and still blaming everything on us. That is, if I don't just mute them instead.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

I was expecting more backlash for this post, to be honest. I'm glad there are more level-headed people here than I thought. Question people's decision making, map awareness, etc., but leave rank out of it. Is it really that difficult?

And I also brought up win rates because I was told by multiple people that I deserve B5 with a sub-50% win rate, which is pretty true, and here this person is 100 LP and a promo series from getting out of bronze and they have a worse win rate than even I do. Mostly, though, I was just trying to illustrate how someone's rank doesn't tell you everything. Short of me playing the same number of matches at that person's rank, you can't say for sure who's the better player just based on stats, but I did find it peculiar.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

I've played against my share of B1s as well as silvers. The difference is negligible. And I pointed out the win rate because it was the first thing that stood out. Like I said, I could go on. KDA, gold, CS, etc. Looking at every stat I had available to me on OP.GG, I saw nothing that told me this person was a better player than I am. And going based off their performance in the match itself, I really saw no reason to believe it. If their win rate stays at 47% for the next 100 matches, they'll soon join me in B5, I can guarantee that. Especially since they are currently a loss or two from falling to B2 (0 LP). My friend, for example, has gotten lucky all the way to B3 (and almost B2 once) multiple times, but he falls back down to earth pretty quickly each time, finding himself back in either B5 or B4 because he's inconsistent and, until recently, had a sub-50% win rate like this person and myself.

Put another way, I've viewed dozens of profiles for all levels of bronze in my ranked history and it's usually readily apparent, based on win rates and champion stats, where someone is likely to end up if they aren't there already, and this person's stats say B5/B4 to me.

ZeeDrakon1 votes

i honestly dont think you can evaluate the skill of other players in one game. i can have a bad game where i get camped and i lose to silver players. that doesnt mean there is no skill difference. i have enough friends in those elos and smurfed enough from bronze to plat to be 100% sure the difference is quite high actually.

also, cs KDA and gold are all harder to achieve against better enemies...

Toothierosprey32 votes

It's hard to get out of b5 with Garen anyways, because he doesn't have a big impact on the game most of the time (unless you're full ad and can assassinate the carries). If you just have to get out of b5, I would suggest playing a top laner that can carry the game when you're ahead. Fiora can carry really easily (especially in bronze 5). Just get a kill, then snowball and carry the game.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard it before. Garen's a comfort thing since I've faced (and won) every conceivable match-up with him at this point. Plus I can carry if I'm really on my game, hence why I have a KDA over 5 (plenty of 10+ KDA matches where I out ADCed the ADC, essentially). My other mains, Wukong and Darius, have more carry potential, but I'm more comfortable with Wukong in the jungle since I'm not yet able to face his counters with ease like I can with Garen's, and Darius I'm still semi-new to.

Delphinium1 votes

Plat players do worst than bronzes to me imo... Why? Because I always lost with plat players against silvers in Aram.

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