Indirect Zyra nerf

Aerothal·Nov 20, 2014·1 votes·572 views

Dear Riot: You are removing valor from Banner of Command. Just Like the change to Spirit of the Elder Lizard in 2013, this is an indirect Zyra nerf. You buff Heimer, the other user of this item, but you ignore Zyra. This is one of her core items as it increases the damage her plants deal. You just really do not like her doing well Mid, do you?!

Banner was a nice niche item that had its place, had a great recipe path with quite a bit of AP and CDR. Now you fully pushed it into the support items. yay. I am not impressed!

9 Comments

HrudNov 20, 20142 votes

Man, just as I was discovering the fun of Banner. :(

AerothalNov 20, 20141 votes

bumping this.

EleshakaiNov 20, 20141 votes

They also nerfed midgame magic resist which is technically an indirect buff to her and all casters.

But really, the item will still be strong on support zyra at least.

AerothalNov 20, 20141 votes

They also nerfed midgame magic resist which is technically an indirect buff to her and all casters.

But really, the item will still be strong on support zyra at least.

yes, the item is really not a bad support item now. I am not arguing that. But i am sick of the hits Mid Mage Zyra gets. Its like Zyra was pressed into the support role and that's where she is now! Mid? NO. not wanted. There is an Item that gives her competing power mid? lets nerf it and thereby nerf her.

EleshakaiNov 20, 20141 votes

They also nerfed midgame magic resist which is technically an indirect buff to her and all casters.

But really, the item will still be strong on support zyra at least.

yes, the item is really not a bad support item now. I am not arguing that. But i am sick of the hits Mid Mage Zyra gets. Its like Zyra was pressed into the support role and that's where she is now! Mid? NO. not wanted. There is an Item that gives her competing power mid? lets nerf it and thereby nerf her.

To be fair, that item wasn't making her competitive in midlane right now. The problem is that gank junglers were way too prominent so it was very difficult to play her mid. Her damage was never in question, even as a support her damage is insane. She's just not mobile enough and has no instant disengage ability(no mobility, no stun, no knockaway) so she wasn't viable.

In the new season, with junglers being reduced in early impact and the mid lane meta changing due to regen/resist changes... I can actually see her gaining a bit of strength... even with the loss of this one item.

AerothalNov 20, 20141 votes

They also nerfed midgame magic resist which is technically an indirect buff to her and all casters.

But really, the item will still be strong on support zyra at least.

yes, the item is really not a bad support item now. I am not arguing that. But i am sick of the hits Mid Mage Zyra gets. Its like Zyra was pressed into the support role and that's where she is now! Mid? NO. not wanted. There is an Item that gives her competing power mid? lets nerf it and thereby nerf her.

To be fair, that item wasn't making her competitive in midlane right now. The problem is that gank junglers were way too prominent so it was very difficult to play her mid. Her damage was never in question, even as a support her damage is insane. She's just not mobile enough and has no instant disengage ability(no mobility, no stun, no knockaway) so she wasn't viable.

In the new season, with junglers being reduced in early impact and the mid lane meta changing due to regen/resist changes... I can actually see her gaining a bit of strength... even with the loss of this one item.

actually, it did. my build path was dorans, 2pots, first back Fiendish codex (30AP, 10%CDR), next back depending on how i did either 2nd tier boots or blasting wand and first tier boots or if i did really really good straight Banner. Rushing Banner was great for Zyra. for only 2400 Gold you got 80AP, 20%CDR could promote a minion AND most importantly, got 15% additional damage on your plants. It was the simgle best item you could buy on Zyra. And i never understood why no one did.

EleshakaiNov 20, 20141 votes

They also nerfed midgame magic resist which is technically an indirect buff to her and all casters.

But really, the item will still be strong on support zyra at least.

yes, the item is really not a bad support item now. I am not arguing that. But i am sick of the hits Mid Mage Zyra gets. Its like Zyra was pressed into the support role and that's where she is now! Mid? NO. not wanted. There is an Item that gives her competing power mid? lets nerf it and thereby nerf her.

To be fair, that item wasn't making her competitive in midlane right now. The problem is that gank junglers were way too prominent so it was very difficult to play her mid. Her damage was never in question, even as a support her damage is insane. She's just not mobile enough and has no instant disengage ability(no mobility, no stun, no knockaway) so she wasn't viable.

In the new season, with junglers being reduced in early impact and the mid lane meta changing due to regen/resist changes... I can actually see her gaining a bit of strength... even with the loss of this one item.

actually, it did. my build path was dorans, 2pots, first back Fiendish codex (30AP, 10%CDR), next back depending on how i did either 2nd tier boots or blasting wand and first tier boots or if i did really really good straight Banner. Rushing Banner was great for Zyra. for only 2400 Gold you got 80AP, 20%CDR could promote a minion AND most importantly, got 15% additional damage on your plants. It was the simgle best item you could buy on Zyra. And i never understood why no one did.

No, it was a good item for her, but it wasn't 'making her competitive'. She was still a weak laner.

And before you comment with your winrate... I mean no disrespect, but there's a guy who made it to diamond 1 playing teemo in every role. Just because you can win games playing a champ in a role does not mean that champ is competitive in that role.

Zyra was a suboptimal midlaner for the 2014 season meta due to the dominant midlane choices and the way junglers interacted with the lanes. That's not saying she was useless, just that she was not competitive. And banner of command did not do anything to make her competitive because it had no impact on the reasons she wasn't competitive. Definitely was a good item for her. But honestly, even without BoC I expect Zyra mid to be better than before, even if not necessarily completely optimal.

HealurownbumNov 20, 20141 votes

I loved to rush Banner of Command so i could send promote to one of the sidelanes if they were doing mehish when i was playing Zyra or Heimer. But now i do not see a reason to ever buy it on a mage.

Really going to miss it tho loved the item. Now it feels like mages are going to be much more standard builds and nothing suprising or rly differnt from the standard items anymore. Kinda depressing but shit happens.

AerothalNov 20, 20141 votes

No, it was a good item for her, but it wasn't 'making her competitive'. She was still a weak laner.

And before you comment with your winrate... I mean no disrespect, but there's a guy who made it to diamond 1 playing teemo in every role. Just because you can win games playing a champ in a role does not mean that champ is competitive in that role.

Zyra was a suboptimal midlaner for the 2014 season meta due to the dominant midlane choices and the way junglers interacted with the lanes. That's not saying she was useless, just that she was not competitive. And banner of command did not do anything to make her competitive because it had no impact on the reasons she wasn't competitive. Definitely was a good item for her. But honestly, even without BoC I expect Zyra mid to be better than before, even if not necessarily completely optimal.

oh, i completely agree, she wasnt a good laner last season. in "making competitive" i meant that this item actually gave her a good winning chance, not that it made her tier 1. And my winrate with her sucks...QQ. there's a reason why i am where i am. The thing is, i enjoy her, i like to play her and it makes me angry that she is getting pressed into a role she was not designed for. And when there are items that her minions (plants) can take advantage of, they get those aspects nerfed away, i.e. Burning Bush Zyra and now Banner. We'll see what the season changes do for her. I'll still play her mid, but i will not rush banner on her anymore.