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Let's talk about Hawkshot

Sir ArmaMalum·2/7/2014, 1:45:03 PM·4 votes·353 views

So Hawkshot has always been a personal pet peeve of mine. Completely my own opinion I realize, but the fact that Ashe has an ability (active) that with proper warding and map awareness I can largely go without using for an entire game is frustrating for me. The gold passive change (1/2/3/4/5->3) is great don't get me wrong, but it also means I have absolutely no reason to level Hawkshot until I am absolutely required to.

What I'm trying to get at is there needs to be a reason to use Hawkshot that Blue trink, wards, shrooms or general map awareness won't do. If you recognize my name I tried doing a similar post earlier in the month with this same request, and I got a lot of great ideas as well as feedback on my own. Through this I realized simplicity is the key, as well as attention to the current meta-pains of the new season.

As such, how about this: Hawkshot's AoE gives true vision for the duration. Simple, easy, doesn't change the ability almost at all, but does provide Ashe a niche as a possible counter against a stealth comp. There are tuning balances that can happen such as reducing the AoE or increasing the travel time or increasing the cooldown, but this change is essentially a long range . This will make Hawkshot have a use case other than "I wonder if someone's over there" but it can still be used for that without feeling like a sacrifice.

I can justify all day long, but what matters is feedback and thoughts. What do you think about this idea?

11 Comments

Roaranor2/7/2014, 8:04:46 PM2 votes

How about increasing the duration of the vision over the given area to act as a sort of miniature ward. Hawkshot travels to reveal a targeted area, then an untargetable unit (Hawk, I guess xD) perches to give true vision for 5/7/9/11/13 seconds. The numbers are, of course, open to change.

Another idea, which I'd assume has been suggested often, would be to make Hawkshot global instead. This would open the door for a really strong synergy between Ashe and her team's jungler, and give her the option to help avoid potentially successful ganks against her other lanes.

Rhyto2/7/2014, 4:44:53 PM1 votes

Yeah I've never seen much use for Hawkshot other than just making everything flashy for a moment and of course the occasional warding and temporary clairvoyance. But yeah I'd like to see at least something that makes it worth using it even with the "No Cost"

ChiTenshi2/7/2014, 6:43:58 PM1 votes

What about giving it a small slowing effect to all enemies in the impact area?

I think this combined with the true vision idea would make an excellent way to reduce the risk of ganks, especially with stealthed champions. It's also good for when her ultimate is still on cooldown and you're trying to catch an enemy player.

Mandaari2/7/2014, 8:45:46 PM1 votes

I'm not a fan of giving it true sight and making her niche, but I do have a suggestion I've tossed out before (copy pasta inc):

Give Hawkshot 1/2/3/4/5 mana regen per 5 for 10 seconds upon killing a unit in addition to its current passive. Ashe now has a reason to level it up earlier because she can have more mana in lane. More mana in lane means more volleys. More volleys means a stronger lane.

Michicha2/9/2014, 7:11:00 PM1 votes

There are some changes on the PBE that make the gold gen a flat 3 gold at all ranks. True vision would cause the ability to be nerved in terms of numbers and probably get rid of the gold passive entirely, mostly because it would be to strong. They are making the cool down reduce per rank now, so it'll be more spammable I like using it when I'm chasing enemies and lose vision in their jungle. I think all it needs after these changes in the blue trinkets effect, it reveals all champs (not true vision) for 5 secs after they walk out of the cloud.