My Faith is Shaken.

TeemoJenkins··2 votes·680 views

On March 18th, an opposing team had an intentional feeder / griefer that literally turned a winning effort into a loss, because that one player trolled. The other team was ahead, they deserved to win.

My entire team reported him, the other team reporting him, but I felt the need to open a support ticket also as this was flagrant dis-respect. My response from support:

"We will investigate your report and take any actions we feel are necessary. Please keep in mind; we cannot disclose any disciplinary actions that may be taken due to privacy reasons. Even if you were unable to use the report feature, please continue to use our in-game reporting system whenever you can. Reports you make provide us with valuable tracking information and help to escalate players to our attention for investigation. Each report brings violators of the Summoner's Code one step closer to restricted chat or suspension by our investigative audits. Thank you for your patience and for taking time out of your day to send us this report. It is our goal to continue working towards making experiences on the Fields of Justice fair and fun for all Summoners! Please let me know if you have any additional feedback or concerns."

I responded wtih the following: We all used the in game report feature - this same user has been griefing in 5+ games that same day it would appear the reporting system isn't catching them quick enough, so I submitted a ticket. If submitting a ticket for examples of extreme abuse where the Report system isn't being effective at stopping the users - should we as players just accept that 20+ players will be negatively impacted by one griefing player and rely on hope that someday something will happen instead of submitting a ticket?

Riot's response: *I apologize for the wait, our ticket queue is quite hectic at the moment. Thank you for your patience.

Thanks for trying to help us make our community fun and fair. Being a player myself, I too know the struggle of dealing with negative behaving players.

As much as we want everyone to enjoy the game, there are still people who will do whatever they like. They are toxic, leave a game, or even troll. I understand how frustrating this can be because I do get them sometimes as well in my games. Since we don't have complete control over their behavior, we can only minimize bad behavior and help them improve it. Reporting them is the best thing to do as we will slowly clear them out in our community.

I strongly encourage you to use the report feature to help compile evidence for our system and to provide us with more information during our personal investigations. Players who regularly misbehave are punished through restrictions and suspensions. If he does continue to behave the way he is, I can almost guarantee it will be noticed and dealt with accordingly.

If you have any other questions or concerns please feel free to ask.*

Since my original ticket opening the player has griefed an additional NINE games bringing the total to over 20 games he's trolled in. I'm honestly in shock that he isn't banned. Either 180 players failed to report this troll or 20 reports isn't enough to justify a permanent ban?

TL;DR Kid trolls in over 20 games, and Riots response is "Keep using the report feature and don't submit a ticket".

25 Comments

disregardable2 votes

No, 20 reports isn't enough to justify a permanent ban lol. Riot almost never bans people.

Axests1 votes

How do you know he's been trolling in games? Are you stalking him? Edit: also answer quickly, your post will be taken down do to the rules of le forum

TeemoJenkins1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Knife Cat,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=60xyc9lA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-03-30T19:41:54.317+0000)

How do you know he's been trolling in games? Are you stalking him? Edit: also answer quickly, your post will be taken down do to the rules of le forum

Why would my post be taken down? I named no one. His Summoner name is in my ticket, I looked up his match history after we played against him and he has 20+ games since he trolled in my game and he had even more prior to that.

Axests1 votes

just because he trolled in your game doesn't mean he trolled in his other games. Everybody has games where they're toxic, it's just the result of a competitive environment. As for why it'll get taken down it's because you're calling out riot in the forums and not producing "productive" forum discussion.

TeemoJenkins1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Knife Cat,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=60xyc9lA,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-03-30T21:19:36.545+0000)

just because he trolled in your game doesn't mean he trolled in his other games. Everybody has games where they're toxic, it's just the result of a competitive environment. As for why it'll get taken down it's because you're calling out riot in the forums and not producing "productive" forum discussion.

Nothing I said is untrue. I'm voicing a concern, if Riot has trouble with me voicing the concern they can respond here, or email me. This person has trolled over 25 games in the last 30 days, so he has trolled "other games".

Axests1 votes

no what i'm saying is that how do you know he's even trolling? There's literally no way for you to know that he's trolled in any game after the one he played in yours.

TeemoJenkins1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Knife Cat,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=60xyc9lA,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-31T19:28:48.023+0000)

no what i'm saying is that how do you know he's even trolling? There's literally no way for you to know that he's trolled in any game after the one he played in yours.

There's a Match History link at the top of the screen, you can Search Summoner names... I can literally see he bought nothing but boots... and literally bought an hour glass on an ADC and sold everything else... using the word literally when there's literally a very easy to find and use tool at the top of this screen is literally durpy.

Axests1 votes

you should've been clear then, my only assumption was that you were calling him a troll with no proof. You never mentioned he was doing things like this. Also if he's teamed up with friends in these games he isn't gonna be reported that often.

Jubbinaut1 votes

Which rule are you referring to?

Jubbinaut1 votes

It's important to remember that the total number of reports doesn't matter much. Cases are purely built based on the number of reported games relative to the number of games played. This gives a good indication of how often the player engages in the behavior.

While the Tribunal was active, it took being reported in some 12-25% of games to trigger a case. I suspect the number is similar. Assuming that this player has only been griefing in those games (which, I want to stress, is never a safe assumption), he would be below that rough threshold of 12% with only ~170 games.

Still, it's not unreasonable to guess that a sanction may well be in his near future, particularly if he persists in the behavior.

TeemoJenkins1 votes

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It's important to remember that the total number of reports doesn't matter much. Cases are purely built based on the number of reported games relative to the number of games played. This gives a good indication of how often the player engages in the behavior.

While the Tribunal was active, it took being reported in some 12-25% of games to trigger a case. I suspect the number is similar. Assuming that this player has only been griefing in those games (which, I want to stress, is never a safe assumption), he would be below that rough threshold of 12% with only ~170 games.

Still, it's not unreasonable to guess that a sanction may well be in his near future, particularly if he persists in the behavior.

It's actually encouraging to me now. I know that when my team mates make stupid decisions and it's a loss anyway I can straight up troll them, and so long as I keep my threshold low, no consequences. Better yet, 4 of my friends and I can get together and straight up troll a game, and that one poor putz can just suck it up. (I've never been reported, and have no intentions of starting). Just a little crushed right now as the last flagrant troll I saw to this degree never logged back in. This is the second case I followed and seeing this one still playing makes me think the other probably wasn't' banned, just quit.

Jubbinaut1 votes

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It's actually encouraging to me now. I know that when my team mates make stupid decisions and it's a loss anyway I can straight up troll them, and so long as I keep my threshold low, no consequences. Better yet, 4 of my friends and I can get together and straight up troll a game, and that one poor putz can just suck it up.

The problem is, if you make a habit of it, you will be caught. And I'm not sure why you think that a premade is going to have any more safety from reports or sanctions than a single player - the entire point of focusing on reported games rather than reports per game is to ensure that premades don't have any more power or safety regarding reports.

(I've never been reported, and have no intentions of starting).

Sure ya have - everyone gets reported sometimes. It's a given.

Just a little crushed right now as the last flagrant troll I saw to this degree never logged back in. This is the second case I followed and seeing this one still playing makes me think the other probably wasn't' banned, just quit.

Meh. It takes time. Sometimes it takes longer than others. It's not a perfect system, after all. But it is effective.

Krigjer1 votes

I played with someone like this recently.

He said he was going to troll us in champ select, and when I asked him why he would do such a thing in a ranked game, he responded 'because it's ranked, it's a whole new level of funny!'. He then went to pick Anivia jungle. My gut told me to dodge, but I trusted that he was just going with a non-meta pick, and that he was actually going to try. He took blue buff and followed my support and I bot lane, using his wall to try and get us killed. When he started farming under turret, he roamed to mid and got him killed quite a few times, while also feeding the other team himself. He said 'This is for a youtube video! Come on, it's hilarious!' All 8 of us reported him (Except for the enemy Heimerdinger, who said 'Thanks for the free lp Anivia! I'm honoring u!' Players like this only encourage this behavior and should be held just as accountable but anyway...) After the game, I looked at his recent matches and they all showed similar scores. I submitted a ticket with screenshots of ingame chat and reported everything I knew. They told me that they would look into it but couldn't give any information about any punishment.

Yes, I have stalked this player, curious to see if anything would be done. He still plays to this day (this incident was maybe a month ago). I'm not sure why people that behave this way only ever seem to get a slap on the wrist.

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

to sum up - mommy! this guy didn't play right! :(

punish him mommy!

mommy are you there? i am watching him and telling on hiim and he still isn't playring right! QQ

please mommy do something to him!

TeemoJenkins1 votes

[{quoted}](name=EL HAMSTERO,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=60xyc9lA,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-03-30T21:00:31.887+0000)

to sum up - mommy! this guy didn't play right! :(

punish him mommy!

mommy are you there? i am watching him and telling on hiim and he still isn't playring right! QQ

please mommy do something to him!

To Sum up: I know trolling is douchebaggery, but I'm gonna mock OP on a smurf account, because my main shows I'm a troll.

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

trolling exists in every online game ever made. the truth is this - its a video game. people can play however they want.

this outrage over some guy messing around in a video game is completely ridiculous to me. you are like 'how dare he! there need to be Serious Consequences'. what a joke. its a video game.

Jubbinaut1 votes

So, because it's "just a game," people should be allowed to have fun at the expense of others?

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

its only at your expense if you let it be. its a fun game. you should be able to find a way to have fun in a loss. winning isn't everything.

Jubbinaut3 votes

It is a fun game. And I can have fun in a loss. Which is a good thing, because I've been losing a lot lately.

I find it difficult, however, to enjoy a game where there are players actively trying to ruin that fun. And I see no reason why players whose definition of "fun" is "screwing over everyone else" shouldn't be asked to stop playing with everyone else.

Think of it like this: you join a game of pick-up basketball, and one player, the very second he gets the ball, pulls a knife from his pocket and pops it. Should that player not be asked to leave? Or do you just keep throwing balls onto the court for him to pop, giggling madly while everyone else is frustrated at their inability to actually play the game?

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

your analogy isn't even close. in LoL the other players can still play normally while the troll is doing whatever he is doing.

its more like this: you are playing CoD and you have a knifer on your team. he is terrible and just running around trying to knife people going 4-24 every game. is it going to ruin the whole game for you? should he be banned from the game for 'screwing over everyone else'? or should he be allowed to play the game however he wants?

Jubbinaut1 votes

[{quoted}](name=EL HAMSTERO,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=60xyc9lA,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-30T21:55:50.973+0000)

your analogy isn't even close. in LoL the other players can still play normally while the troll is doing whatever he is doing.

I think you're underestimating the effects a troll or griefer can have - keeping in mind that we're referring to players who are actively trying to prevent the other players in his game from playing normally.

Even ignoring the 4v5 problem, there's the active attempts to undermine the team - calling locations, intentionally strengthening the enemy team (by feeding), intentionally baiting teammates into bad situations, actively using skills that can negatively effect teammates, etc.

If every time I try to back or channel a skill, my own Trundle dumps a pillar under me and interrupts it, I cannot "play normally." And I don't have a huge amount of control over that.

its more like this: you are playing CoD and you have a knifer on your team. he is terrible and just running around trying to knife people going 4-24 every game. is it going to ruin the whole game for you? should he be banned from the game for 'screwing over everyone else'? or should he be allowed to play the game however he wants?

CoD is a game that's far less premised on teamwork. It also allows drop-in/drop-out play. Beyond that, your premise conflates poor play with intentional disruption - two very different things. But to answer your questions (in order):

No, because he's not trying to ruin the game - and if he was, I'd simply leave it. No, because he's not trying to ruin the game - and if he was, players could simply leave it. So long as "how he wants" is not intentionally disruptive to the other players, he should absolutely play the way he wants.

TeemoJenkins1 votes

[{quoted}](name=EL HAMSTERO,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=60xyc9lA,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2015-03-30T21:37:32.935+0000)

trolling exists in every online game ever made. the truth is this - its a video game. people can play however they want.

this outrage over some guy messing around in a video game is completely ridiculous to me. you are like 'how dare he! there need to be Serious Consequences'. what a joke. its a video game.

Trolling exists in real life too. When you spread rumors about someone behind their back, it doesn't physically hurt you, they are just words and stupid kids should just toughen up right? 10 years from now those words won't matter, who cares right?

It is just a video game, stupid kids should just stop caring about having fun and let other people dictate their experience. GENIUS.

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

its not real life. and if 1 player can control your experience then you are doing it wrong.

Kazaashi1 votes

Just for context:

As an Ebay seller, I can ship one out of every 100 packages with a live Tiger in it and still have a 99% rating.

TeemoJenkins3 votes

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Just for context:

As an Ebay seller, I can ship one out of every 100 packages with a live Tiger in it and still have a 99% rating.

Realistically after the tiger feasts on #100 they probably won't survive to give a negative rating, so you keep the 100%!

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