You aren't innocent, you know you were verbally abusive, the chat restriction didn't come from no where.
This wasn't the first time, you've disconnected before, that 20 minute wait time isn't Riot picking on you.
You're banned for two weeks? You should thank Riot for the opportunity to reform and come back a more positive player.
Eleshakai5 votesYou aren't innocent, you know you were verbally abusive, the chat restriction didn't come from no where.
This wasn't the first time, you've disconnected before, that 20 minute wait time isn't Riot picking on you.
You're banned for two weeks? You should thank Riot for the opportunity to reform and come back a more positive player.
I agree with you on points 1 and 3... but considering Lyte at one point flat out said it could take 'as few as one leave'(http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-pbe-feedback/8A646W4E-introducing-the-new-leaverbuster-a-new-system-for-aggressively-tackling-leavers-and-afks?comment=00020000#) in ranked to get a leaverbuster low prio queue... there could well be cases where people ARE dcing once and getting punished.
Space Bum1 votesStop me if you know an example outside of scripting but I'm almost positive Riot goes easier on players that have higher $$ put in on average. I wouldn't fault them for it, Just an observation.
Jubbinaut11 votesI'd love to see any data you have on that. I personally haven't seen anything examining a possible correlation between account purchases and punishment rates.
Space Bum2 votesI just know someone that is very toxic and DC's frequently but never gets warnings or bans. I know he does spend a lot of money on the game though.
Jubbinaut3 votesAh. Not enough of a sample to make meaningful conclusions, I think, but still an interesting data point.
Thanks!
Blitzonlypls1 votesWell I'm Extremely toxic, yet i spend lots of money and only get chat restricted rarely for a few games... Plus i have gotten all of the non-toxic benefits. He could be on to something.
missinggrave1 votesIt's not exactly something to brag about being "toxic." If you feel as though you easily get upset over a game that has minimal relevance to your everyday life under normal circumstances, you should probably find the reason behind it. Nobody wants to feel as if they're game was ruined because of another player's actions.
ZACKandATTACK6 votes[{quoted}](name=I Like Hugs,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ZzToUbBe,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-07T22:51:01.389+0000)
I just know someone that is very toxic and DC's frequently but never gets warnings or bans. I know he does spend a lot of money on the game though.
Maybe he doesn't get reported.
Redskinsrock268910 votes[{quoted}](name=I Like Hugs,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ZzToUbBe,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-07T22:51:01.389+0000)
I just know someone that is very toxic and DC's frequently but never gets warnings or bans. I know he does spend a lot of money on the game though.
I have a friend who has easily put like $600 into the game and has gotten multiple 2 week bans for being toxic
Space Bum1 votesI'm sure there is still a breaking point. At the same time I could be completely wrong. Or maybe he would have got permabanned if he hadn't spent that money...
missinggrave2 votesOr ya know, just nobody reported him. Being toxic, and people putting in the effort to report the person are two different things. I've met some very infuriating individuals I didn't report strictly for the reason of wanting to remove myself as quickly as possible from the situation at hand - ie, I didn't want to be toxic to other players because of that one person.
Plus, one example doesn't mean there is any correlation. That's how stereotypes and false rumors are made. Stop that.
Nucleophilic atk1 votesStereotypes aren't false if they are true. Example: just about every black one :D
IcyPepper2 votes[{quoted}](name=I Like Hugs,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ZzToUbBe,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-04-07T22:38:00.768+0000)
Stop me if you know an example outside of scripting but I'm almost positive Riot goes easier on players that have higher $$ put in on average. I wouldn't fault them for it, Just an observation.
That kind of accusation requires data and evidence in order to hold water. :/
DarkFaun Fortes1 votesThe guy that got me started in league drops roughly 30$ a week on it, and has been playing sense season 3. He says he leaves all the time and never gets more than a warning, yet before i even hit level 30, i had left a match for the second time and was banned for 3 days. My friend couldnt figure out why i was banned.
I'm sorry Rito, but i know your lying when you say you dont pick favorites. I'M NOT MAD, I just want an honest answer. I understand not wanting to ban my freind, if he hadn't have spent money on your game, he could have bought his own house by now. in return, you let him keep his account because hes a consistently returning customer who falls for every new skin and champion.
But why Lie and say you dont? = REASON: if im a toxic player and i know I can keep leaving any game i dont like the look of, all i have to do is drop 30-50 a week (if i have the money to waist) It would mean you never have to have a game you dont like, thus making the game more fun.
Ritos community is bad because they allow it. They just dont want to tell us.
missinggrave1 votesYou realize accusations imply a sense of justice or ridicule, correct? It means you want the satisfaction of seeing you were above something or someone because of your actions. Under some circumstances, this can be a good thing such as with holding people responsible for their actions. However, when you make claims such as this with MINIMAL EVIDENCE it's essentially slander without cause which makes us wonder why you even mentioned it. Heck, you even make it seem as if the game ruined your friends life, instead of bringing up the fact that you AS A FRIEND OF THEIRS never thought to stop them from wasting away their money instead of using it on more important things such as housing for their self. Now, whose being honest? You acting as if you're some victim when you go out of your way to accuse people without proper evidence or Riot who never made a statement otherwise and doesn't have a motive to NOT kick toxic players? I mean if you think about it, less toxic players equals a more positive experience and the more people enjoy something the more they're willing to pay money instead of just leave. More rude players just means less customers. Eventually it wouldn't matter if they have regular customers if there isn't enough to keep running as a business.
DarkFaun Fortes1 votesWhy would i tell my friend how to spend his money? ITS HIS DAMN MONEY! he's not short on rent, He's not struggling, Its what he likes doing. I'm just saying he spends a shit ton of money, and never gets banned, I didn't use to spend money at all, and got banned twice, yet now I am spending money, I haven't been banned.
Its an odd quiescence. Your right, theirs not "factual" evidence right now, other than i didnt spend money and was banned. He did spend money and wasent. Yet both of us preformed the same actions.
Both could have been affected by other things i'm not seeing. It's quite possible it IS just a quiescence. However I've heard alot of other stories like this and, that dosent make me feel all that comfortable.
If what i believe is true tho, Riot as a company would never publish such information. Also if its true while they may not be "trying" to make more toxicity their defiantly not stopping it!
On the other hand, like you said, their is no proof ether way.
I'm just posting my thoughts. Thats what the Boards are for!
missinggrave1 votesSaying you aren't held responsible for the actions of others if they aren't in the right frame of mind to make sound decisions for themselves is irresponsible on your part. It's like seeing someone getting mugged and you didn't call the cops or try to help because it's their business, not yours.
The way it sounded, your friend could be living as a bum just barely making a living. Now that I know he's able to support himself just fine, I am less concerned.
It's not "factual" it's factual. You cannot alter facts. Whether or not said information is biased CAN be altered, but facts cannot be. You do not have any evidence rather than a coincidence. Same applies to "trying."
I never said you couldn't post your thoughts. At any rate, you aren't entitled to your opinion. You're entitled to your INFORMED opinion. It's like saying you hate cats but you've never actually had or been near one.
Finally, check your spelling. It's one thing to shorten or abbreviate, it's another to just flat out misspell a word.
DarkFaun Fortes1 votes" It's like saying you hate cats but you've never actually had or been near one."
I wouldn't have said it if i hadn't been through it!!!!!! You just nit pick and dont even read!
I said : "I didn't use to spend money at all, and got banned twice, yet now I am spending money, I haven't been banned."
I've been on both sides! I didnt stop leaving matches when the made me so upset i wanted to cry or brake something(witch happens like once a week), I still do! NO GAME is worth me loosing my temper over. So i quit, yet after i started spending money I wasn't banned anymore ether!
I quit at least one game a week, I spend at least $10 bucks a week, and I haven't been banned or even penalized sense season 5 started.
missinggrave1 votesBeing on both sides of A SINGLE SIDE doesn't mean you understand both sides to an actual argument. Especially if you hold bias towards a claim you believe to be true. I'm not nitpicking, it's you saying that you believed one thing so when you started doing the same behavior and similar results happened you believe it's a pattern. When in fact it could be that you just act a lot better than you did before, and nobody feels like reporting your friend or he's not nearly as bad as you think.
Jubbinaut1 votes[{quoted}](name=HisPrince Fortis,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ZzToUbBe,comment-id=000000000003,timestamp=2015-04-08T16:47:53.912+0000)
The guy that got me started in league drops roughly 30$ a week on it, and has been playing sense season 3. He says he leaves all the time and never gets more than a warning, yet before i even hit level 30, i had left a match for the second time and was banned for 3 days. My friend couldnt figure out why i was banned.
The old Leaverbuster system didn't care much about how many games you had left. It paid more attention to what percentage of games you had left. The new one - while pickier - generally does the same.
So, if your friend leaves a game every week, but plays 10 games a day (so leaves 1/70 games), he's really not leaving much.
If you, however, left 2/20, that's a very different story.
(Note: I'm not sure about any of these numbers, or what the threshold for the system is - it's never been disclosed, to prevent abuse. I selected these numbers arbitrarily, merely to illustrate the concept)
Rew7112 votesI honestly had to leave to take my bro his glasses, today. These 20 minute waits are honestly too long. I'd prefer 10 minutes. Like, lets say I wait the 20 minutes, and I finally click on the "accept" button but 1 person does not. I then go back into the "find a match" phase and miss my next opportunity. So I have to find another match, but the 20 minute thing is still there and it won't stop unless I do 5 matches. Why can't it be for the next 5 times, when you click "find a match" (solo or whatever) you wait 20 minutes? If not, then why so long of a wait. It really makes me not want to play and makes it so I don't have time.
Eleshakai1 votesI honestly had to leave to take my bro his glasses, today. These 20 minute waits are honestly too long. I'd prefer 10 minutes. Like, lets say I wait the 20 minutes, and I finally click on the "accept" button but 1 person does not. I then go back into the "find a match" phase and miss my next opportunity. So I have to find another match, but the 20 minute thing is still there and it won't stop unless I do 5 matches. Why can't it be for the next 5 times, when you click "find a match" (solo or whatever) you wait 20 minutes? If not, then why so long of a wait. It really makes me not want to play and makes it so I don't have time.
It's the only way to avoid abuse. If it was the next '5 times you click find a match' people would just doi t when they're not planning to play and let the clock run out. I don't AGREE with leaverbuster, but I understand the reasons they've done what they've done.
Zéychin4 votesYou aren't innocent, you know you were verbally abusive, the chat restriction didn't come from no where.
This wasn't the first time, you've disconnected before, that 20 minute wait time isn't Riot picking on you.
You're banned for two weeks? You should thank Riot for the opportunity to reform and come back a more positive player.
Well, actually, I am innocent, and it isn't even the first time (because it hasn't happened once) and I am banned for zero weeks.
You know why? Because I am a decent person with the ability to manage my anger regarding a video game.
Community, pls.
missinggrave1 votesBecause I called it out on another comment, I feel as if I should take both sides to remain unbiased and as fair as possible.
DO NOT. DEGRADE. INDIVIDUALS. WHO MAY HAVE HAD A BAD DAY. Being able to manage your anger doesn't make you a good person. In fact for all I know, you might be a sociopath because they sure manage their anger quite well! Do not assume that because someone is angry, they are immediately an awful person. Try to reason with the person and make sure they're not just having a bad day before getting upset with them because that makes you just as bad. If the person cannot be reasoned with or they continue their behavior despite being shown respect, it's their own issue and you should report them.
EDIT: When I say I "called it out on another comment" I feel that I should clarify that I agree with the above statement to some extent that someone should be able to manage their anger. However, I feel that it's also worth noting that there can be justified reason for the person's behavior and that should be taken into account.
Åron2 votesI understand this, but people go to Riot support every day and get the same automated message that hundreds of people get a day. That's no way to treat your players.
Jubbinaut5 votesForm letter responses are pretty standard, in pretty nearly every industry.
I don't see why they're so problematic, here.
Åron1 votesForm letter responses are pretty standard, in pretty nearly every industry.
I don't see why they're so problematic, here.
Because this is the gaming industry, where everyone feels so entitled and feel the need and have the audacity to complain and rage whenever they don't get what they want.
Jubbinaut4 votesBecause this is the gaming industry, where everyone feels so entitled and feel the need and have the audacity to complain and rage whenever they don't get what they want.
So, because a certain subset of players are incapable of handling adult situations like adults, Riot should abandon the very thing that allows them to almost have a reasonable response time to tickets?
I guess I'm confused about your overall point - I feel like I missed something.
Åron1 votesSo, because a certain subset of players are incapable of handling adult situations like adults, Riot should abandon the very thing that allows them to almost have a reasonable response time to tickets?
I guess I'm confused about your overall point - I feel like I missed something.
If players are acting like children, they should be treated like children. When raising a child, you can't just use a book you found called How To Raise A Child, you raise the child and tailor your protocol to the child's specific needs.
Jubbinaut2 votesAgain, I think I'm confused about the point you're trying to make here. On the one hand, you seem to be indicating that the problem is Riot's use of form letters, and how terrible it is. On the other hand, you seem to be indicating that the problem is that the playerbase is too childish to be treated like adults.
It's not so much that they're at odds, per se, as that the one obviates the other - I don't see that dealing with a childishly over-entitled community by kowtowing to them would be particularly effective in any sense.
Sinister Snail2 votesIf players are acting like children, they should be treated like children. When raising a child, you can't just use a book you found called How To Raise A Child, you raise the child and tailor your protocol to the child's specific needs.
Or, you warn them to stop acting like children, or get banned? That kind of behavior ought to get stomped out, not accommodated.
HamburgerJunior2 votesBecause Riot is a company that tries to masquerade like it has a positive community and it handles all questions and concerns personally. Which are literally both complete lies. Leagues community is nothing short of a bad joke. And i'm pretty sure no one has ever gotten anything but the automated message in response to support tickets. And i'd also like to point out. If i q for ranked, some guy at bottom pick autolocks Yi and proceeds to spam faggot for 20 minutes in chat until we inevitably surrender and I afk i'm the one that gets punished. Me God i hate this game.
Jubbinaut6 votesBecause Riot is a company that tries to masquerade like it has a positive community and it handles all questions and concerns personally.
I have genuinely never heard anything resembling a claim that they handle questions and concerns personally.
And i'm pretty sure no one has ever gotten anything but the automated message in response to support tickets.
I do, pretty regularly. I've also seen plenty of others post their Support responses that didn't read remotely like form letters.
And i'd also like to point out. If i q for ranked, some guy at bottom pick autolocks Yi and proceeds to spam faggot for 20 minutes in chat until we inevitably surrender and I afk i'm the one that gets punished. Me God i hate this game.
I don't understand this. I swear I don't, and I never have. Why is it that person A doing something negative should mean that person B should also get to be negative?
Why can't we just own up to both parties having done something inappropriate?
Eleshakai2 votesI have genuinely never heard anything resembling a claim that they handle questions and concerns personally.
I do, pretty regularly. I've also seen plenty of others post their Support responses that didn't read remotely like form letters.
I don't understand this. I swear I don't, and I never have. Why is it that person A doing something negative should mean that person B should also get to be negative?
Why can't we just own up to both parties having done something inappropriate?
Most of my responses from tickets have been pretty personalized. At least, in the last few years... back when they first started getting anything resembling support was an absolute pain... but they've been good lately.
And while I DO understand why people get upset when someone is doing something, well, upsetting(and thus I can understand the urge to react in kind)... it doesn't make retalliation excusable.
Jubbinaut1 votesAnd while I DO understand why people get upset when someone is doing something, well, upsetting(and thus I can understand the urge to react in kind)... it doesn't make retalliation excusable.
Sorry, on re-reading my post, I think the way I phrased that was kind of unclear. I get why people are upset about it - I can definitely sympathize with that. And I even understand the desire to say something - I know I've done so myself on more than one occasion (something I'm very not proud of).
What I don't understand is this argument that keeps coming up, claiming that it should be okay to do things that would otherwise be unacceptable, so long as someone else did something unacceptable first. The whole argument makes no sense to me.
JRobin312 votesI got a warning once. I was shocked. Then I thought about it and I realized that I hadn't done anything wrong and it was only a warning. So I forgot about it and moved on. I'm sure false negatives occasionally happen, but I find it hard to believe that someone gets chat restricted or banned if they are truly innocent. It's not that I believe the system doesn't occasionally produce false negatives or blow a minor offence out of proportion. But chat restrictions and bans are serious punishments that I I have a hard time imagining get handed out unless there is substantial evidence that it is deserved.
Jubbinaut1 votesIn my experience, the term "false negative" is most commonly used to refer to players who should have received a restriction or ban, but did not, while the term "false positive" is used to refer to players who should not have received a restriction or ban, but did.
I'm not trying to bash your usage, I'm just hoping to clarify which of these concepts you mean when you say "false negative."
JRobin312 votesLoL, use of false negative was deliberate ;) I know that false positive would be considered the correct usage, but since we are talking about negative behavior, I couldn't resist punning it - a vain attempt to channel my inner Phreak.
Jubbinaut1 votesAwesome :)
Just wanted to be sure we were all on the same page. Thanks! (Also, +1 for puns)
AJStarhiker1 votesOr, he's been lucky an hasn't been reported in enough games for the PB&J team to take a closer look at his account.
GetDumpedOn1 votesIn accordance to Riots spender appreciation I have to agree, I have two accounts and one has only ever been banned 1 time with chat restriction, which I was very toxic on considering it was in a lower elo. But as far as your points I do agree that this is true MOST of the time. Unfortunately it seems like most people who play ranked are just flat out Bitches. Yes, you know how you are you claim people flamed you in game when simply asking for a gank, which results in me getting reported. Or the time when i commented "you had a free kill in mid" and said stop blaming me, and then went on to team up with his dou q in flaming me and then finalizing the game reporting me, when I had muted you 5 mins in the game. How about when you get the same player 2 games in a row that says "your the worst adc ever, cant even cs" which was followed by my mute button and then followed to his report and my team was raging at him all game for flaming. O but this all today results in a 30 game restriction for me. Yes ok i have been flaming in the past, but guess what I WANT TO PLAY RANKED SO I DONT FLAME ANYMORE. O what about where i played poorly and fed and my team hands me a double dou q verbal abuse when i didnt talk all game yes ok riot. Thank you for making me waste time in Normal games where people are more toxic and dont even report. Thanks again riot
A Squid Now1 votesSo people should just reform when they get punished an indeterminable amount of time after their behavior? Especially when exactly what is and is not "crossing the line" is not at all revealed to you? Sure, I bet they'll be jumping right on that.
DeloricVI1 votesAnd bookmark'd to easily show anyone complaining (especially in a very toxic, hate-filled manner) about chat restrictions and other things.
Yandere Carry1 votesI know people do shit a lot if they get chat banned. I had like a couple day ban and haven't had one since. I'm surprised it wasn't worse looking back on it.
Aboylova921 votesI'm inclined to believe you as I've never been banned, no warnings, ect, apart from one AFK warning when I was just straight not able to connect to the game on from a problem on Riot's end. I think I might have AFK'd on my end twice in the entire time I've played this game, and that was from my power going out due to the weather.
My friend on the other hand who "claims" he isn't toxic, just received a two week ban. While he isn't like this often, he does go on, I guess it would be tilt, where he flames people, says he's just going to sit at the fountain when the game looks lost, ect. Maybe it'll change him, but only time will tell.
Nucleophilic atk1 votesI was not verbally abusive and got a 2 week ban. I got it because I was "negative".
Get yo facts straight.
Goofle1 votesImo they should remove the chat and pings completely and replace it with voice chat. At the beginning of the game you could just mute all the 12 year olds and enjoy the game as it's meant to be played.
ModAttysu The Poro1 votesA lot of people do get restricted cause a bunch of trolls spam report them. It happens. Personally hasn't happened to me, but many people I know have experienced it. And they're the nicest folks around ;-;
