Elise with a giants belt has less hp than a corki with a tri force

WTFMatee·Mar 26, 2015·3 votes·653 views

Did you know that?

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Shoulda added more details as post below shows

1 Level differential him 13 me 12

I had giants belt and jungle item he had only a tri force

he had 100 more hp than i did.

As pointed out a giants belt give 380 and a tri force 250

So thats 130 hp+ 100 hp difference=230 hp differential Although he was a level higher so roughly 220 Also he may have had runes which at lvl 13 is 81 hp

Still left at 140 hp differential

Thats a really big difference as a primarily tank jungle. Elise is mainly a tank jungle and she has lower tank stats than an adc by a significant margin

TL;DR OKay i don't know if people just aren't actually reading or what so ill just make this simple for you.

ELISE has lower health base stats (when she is supposed to be a tanky jungle) than a corki does.

10 Comments

JubbinautMar 26, 20154 votes

So we're talking about two champions with a significant gold differential. I notice there's no mention of what level they're at. Which is pretty important, because she has ~16 hp more at lvl 1 (though he gains more per level, overtaking her when both are at lvl 10).

At level 18, the base hp differential between the two is ~17 hp in Corki's favor. Triforce gives 250hp, Giant's Belt gives 380. So the only way for Corki with Tri to have more hp than Elise with Giant's Belt, assuming all else to be equal is for him to be higher level.

Which is a pretty standard benefit of being higher level.

Runes and masteries, of course, may adjust that further.

WTFMateeMar 26, 20151 votes

actually i was level 12 while he was level 13 pretty sure 1 level didnt make up 100 hp differential plus the items that give more hp to elise. I didn't take in consideration of runes that he had. I dono elise is built primarily tanky and all i am saying is she has the tank stats lower than a corki

Even if corki had runes that doesnt make the 100 hp differential and thats not including the item differential (me having as you pointed out 130 hp more from items)

He had a tri force only and i had a giants belt and jungle item As i said 1 level differential still less hp. Something just doesn't seem right

JubbinautMar 26, 20151 votes

I dunno. What I know is the math. I did a little more digging, so I'll add some extra math here.

At 12, Elise has 1317 base health. Adding Giant's Belt (+380) gives 1697. With Veteran's Scars 3 (+36) and Juggernaut (+3%, ~52), that's ~1785.

At 13, Corki has 1411 base health. Adding Trinity Force (+250) gives 1661. In addition, he had Veteran's Scars 3 (+36) and Juggernaut (+3%, ~51). All total, that's ~1748.

Given that, Elise should still be up by 37 hp.

EDIT: All information regarding Runes/Masteries included in this post came from your Match History - if this is not the correct match, I'd be glad to check that and adjust.

WTFMateeMar 26, 20151 votes

You just made my point for me. Her base health is lower than corkis. You read into too much your talking about items that a jungler is suppoosed to get as a tank. Im talking about her stats alone and as u clearly just pointed out She has lower base health than a corki.

JubbinautMar 26, 20151 votes

I wasn't talking about items. I was talking about the Veteran's Scars and Juggernaut Masteries that were on the page you used (assuming I was looking at the right game in your Match History).

The only items I added into those calculations were a Trinity Force for Corki and a Giant's Belt for Elise.

Matthias9119Mar 26, 20152 votes

ELISE has lower health base stats (when she is supposed to be a tanky jungle)

Elise is an AP assassin/mage in the jungle. Riot lists her as Mage/Fighter, not a "Tank". She's not particularly tanky at all, either in base stats or her kit.

RookPusherMar 26, 20151 votes

No, but that seems fine...

WTFMateeMar 26, 20151 votes

how shes only used as a jungler lol yet she has worse tank stats than a corki

TrylobyteMar 26, 20151 votes

Maybe because she's not meant to be a tank jungler? Also, used to see a lot of Elise top lanes last season. She's not picked much now because she's just not very good in the current meta.