I Really Hope Riot Doesn't Listen to Boards

MadDoughnutz·2/25/2015, 3:01:30 PM·244 votes·19,080 views

Because of all the forums I have gone through in my gaming life, this is by far the most utterly and sheerly hostile of all of them to the company. Seriously, the top voted threads are brimming with people insulting Riot, demanding firing of employees, and people acting like they know the game, when the game is perfectly playable and fun! I REALLY don't want to say it, because I have had a lot of respect for this community, but with all the sheer hatred for riot lately it feels like there's nothing but arrogant people who feel so entitled that they "know" what is balanced and what is not, when I can guarantee most of them have never had much experience in actual game play balancing as a profession. Playing the game does not make you a professional balance'r, which it feels like most people are claiming to be these days. Regardless of my rant, I just hope this community... I don't know, stops being so utterly hateful. Kudos to the Riot members that have the guts to step into this every day and see the anger and hate for this company the people in here have for it. :(

/endsemirant, You can Downvote me now.

239 Comments

RiotZwill2/25/2015, 11:31:08 PM83 votes

Personally, I'm of the belief that if you're here on the Boards you care. You care enough to read this post. You care enough to tell us why you disagree. You care enough to (hopefully) put thought and effort into communicating with us.

Something that all of us (Riot and players) have a tremendous opportunity to do is to influence the way we talk to each other. When we stop thinking of each other as "Riot" or "Rednames" or "that player who's yelling really loudly" and instead think of each other as humans who share a passion for League, we may find that the dialog is just a little bit friendlier. The challenge is in leading by example, and by doing so hopefully being an agent of change within the community (I'm one of those insufferable optimists :P).

All of that being said, I do understand what you're saying, and I appreciate the sentiment.

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Eleshakai2/25/2015, 3:06:19 PM44 votes

This isn't a new thing. The community has always had a small segment of extremely vocal people with many alt accounts who do nothing all day but insult Riot.

And people have ALWAYS felt they know how to balance, in every community, because balance seems like such an easy thing... just nerf this champ who always crushes me and the game'll feel so much better right? It's not, but that doesn't change that it seems like it should be easy... so people think they can do a great job of it without really understanding anything.

Not saying it is right, but by this point Riot's pretty used to tuning them out to get to the real feedback.

SEKAI2/25/2015, 4:31:41 PM31 votes

Do you need to be a film director/producer/actor to be able to critise a movie?

Do you need to be a journalist/news reporter/writer/artist to be able to judge a book?

Do you need to be a scientist/researcher/engineer/philosopher/mathematician to be able to talk about whether an invention is good for humanity or otherwise?

Do you need to be a politician/prime minister/official to be able to know, comment and analyse on the current affairs?

Etc etc.

Then finally, do you need to be the game dev yourself to see whether a game is horribly balanced?

I think for players who have been with Riot for several years and spent his fair share of bucks on the game himself has every right to critise and complain on why he no longer enjoys the game like he used to, providing his attitude isn't simply hostile.

The Hot posts while may not have the best attitudes ever, each of them is addressing a significant problems that have been residing in the company for years already. It's no news that Riot has always have balancing issues, everybody knows and accept that, the problem is, it never gets better and only change for the worse for the most part, and they are never consistent with the rules they themselves set up.

If you are simply saying that Riot should not take in any feedbacks by simply dismissing everything, then like it or not, you still belong to the very community that just "hate/rejects everything" as you so claimed it is.

Circuit Bear2/25/2015, 4:37:28 PM29 votes

You haven't been playing long or haven't been listening to Riot long if you think this hasn't grown worse with time.

Most complaints stem from a growing and increasing problem. And Riot's treatment of it, does deserve the hostility.

You can white knight if you want, but when you have a hundred people who do the math, play on your pbe and TELL YOU something is going to ruin a character, and worse, isn't fun to play? And you tell them "Well sucks to be you, we don't give a f-" Yea, you deserve the hostility. This has happened for a lot of reworks now. Karma was somewhat half and half. Veigar it's been the same two people defending it, usually on smurfs. Same for Cass, same for Skarner. And what happened to the playrate on all these characters? Either they ended up solid and were nerfed to being almost never played. Or they were unplayable, as expected and buffed until their numbers meant they had to be good. But none of them were fun to play.(Well, with the exclusion of Veigar since he hasn't been released just yet).

So all these immobile zero dash characters got a bunch of flaws and dependencies. What about the Kass, Katarina Rework, and mobile character reworks? What about Leblanc? None of them were made entirely dependent on skill shots. None of them have real flaws except two of them being melee. Leblanc has a skill shot that should be hit, but when you can blink in point blank its pretty hard to miss anyway.

But who isn't nerfed into oblivion or made miserable to play? The same flashy playmaking characters.

Supports, who is nerfed? Traditional supports that counter Blitz/Leona Thresh who are the most played, and Blitz Leona were barely .7% below Sona in win ratio? Who gets nerfed? Sona, for "Being unhealthy for statistics we can't show you". I want to see these "unfun to play against" stats cause I think getting tower dove by Leona 15 times in a row gets old personally.

Basically? It's become very clear they cater to esports more then the community because their "balancing" makes older, less played characters more unenjoyable, not more fun or more balanced or any bs like that.

Niche picks shouldn't be played anymore because you WILL get screwed inevitably.

And yea, I use to adore riot, but the past two years were not the same as my first 2.

If you can't see the favoritism, then you won't ever see why so many people are pissed at Riot.

Edit: to tack on something. Being a professional balancer shouldn't mean that you ignore feedback that makes the game unenjoyable. Tank junglers, immobile mages and traditional supports have been getting screwed more and more over the years. And Riot's attempts to "fix" it have made it worse. So yea, you can all us out, but after two years I think I have the right to lose faith when a lot of board predictions come true.

Daedalus8712/25/2015, 4:43:37 PM13 votes

Riot made boards for community feedback, OP suggests that Riot doesn't listen to boards.