Boom, 2 week ranked ban. Second offense is perma ranked ban. Just solved 50% of trolling problems and 33% of "toxicity" problems.
inb4 "but omg rito no enforce meta". No, "idc %%% im going top" is not trying something to break the meta. It's trolling. If you don't think so, you are the part of the problem.
Inphernal1 votesVery shortsighted and impulsive decision with overly harsh consequences, imo.
LaceUp231 votesSo you think people should be allowed to troll in ranked games and lose on purpose for their teammates with no consequences?
Mayor Stubbs1 votesI actually fail to see how this "solution" is shortsighted, impulsive, or overly harsh.
From my point of view, there is zero excuse or reason to pick a role already taken, in addition a lower pick has no right forcing a typical solo lane to be played dual if the above pick doesn't want it. (This argues against your shortsighted, and impulsive comment)
And referring back to my first point, if there aren't any reasons or excuses for this kind of blatant trolling, why shouldn't the punishment be overly harsh? If it was a known punishment, I think it's fair that it's harsh. (Especially because 99.9% of players would never do this, typically only your dicks will)
Axests1 votesHow about we just stop being toxic assholes, then we don't need any kind of punishment in place
LaceUp231 votesWhat do you mean? You don't think there should be punishments in place for people that troll and intentionally lose ranked games?
Inphernal1 votesWhat do you mean? You don't think there should be punishments in place for people that troll and intentionally lose ranked games?
you really jumped to conclusions on that one didnt you
LaceUp231 votesNo, I didn't. I'm genuinely asking him. He said we don't need punishments in place. I'm asking him if he means the punishment that I suggested in this thread.
Axests1 votesWhat do you mean? You don't think there should be punishments in place for people that troll and intentionally lose ranked games?
No, i'm saying that such punishments shouldn't have to exist in the first place, there's just this small problem of people being self-centered assholes
LaceUp231 votesOk, but you aren't going to fix people trolling unless you actually punish it. Sure, we shouldn't have to because people shouldn't be trolling games, but they do....and will continue to do it until rito actually does something about it.
This is how it goes. You get troll on team. Teammates "flame" troll by saying stop trolling. Troll says, "omg rito dey mean 2 me ruin my fun pls ban". Rito says, "yup, u mean to him u ban". Then this one person does it to many many many other people in other games. If they don't see a problem with that, maybe they need to hire people that do.
Axests1 votesOk, but you aren't going to fix people trolling unless you actually punish it. Sure, we shouldn't have to because people shouldn't be trolling games, but they do....and will continue to do it until rito actually does something about it.
This is how it goes. You get troll on team. Teammates "flame" troll by saying stop trolling. Troll says, "omg rito dey mean 2 me ruin my fun pls ban". Rito says, "yup, u mean to him u ban". Then this one person does it to many many many other people in other games. If they don't see a problem with that, maybe they need to hire people that do.
As for the punishments in your thread i think they're too harsh, though i agree that people trolling in champion select should be more susceptible to punishment, though its hard to think of an idea that would work. Riot can't review every single case of trolling in champion select, and as of right now there's no option in place to report said trolling. I think its an idea riot should keep in mind and refine, not something that needs to be harsh. My earlier post was simply a joke about how toxicity is something so many people hate but its the same players that cause it and can stop it.
LaceUp231 votesPunishments have to be harsh in order for them not to do it.
There is currently a report in place, it's called assisting enemy team. Rito doesn't look at it though, because they don't look at anything besides, "omg rito he called me troll for going 0-34 pls ban him".
Baunjo1 votesIf they directly plan to take someones role, yeah that is trolling. But since support is generally the role no one wants to play, you can literally take just about any champion support. As long as you do not take the ADC's CS and do not feed you will be just fine.
LaceUp231 votesI'm not talking about taking Brand support and buying sightstone and actually trying to support. That is 100% ok with me. I'm talking about 5th pick who, "lol idc im top", picks Voli, and proceeds to go top to troll.
Mayor Stubbs1 votesThere is a very special place in hell for people like this.
I actually agree with you though, although I feel it would be hard to lead to detect accurately.
The only way to realistically do this is add in a report function for "Choosing a role already picked" type of thing (Because any other solution I see would affect teams that genuinely want to play a dual mid or dual top.
And I feel based on that it would lead to things like, someone is very toxic or really bad - players get angry and pick the "choosing a role already picked" report option just to try and get him the worst punishment.
LaceUp231 votesOr they could actually look at reports that aren't just "omg he called me bad word". You report for trolling and say, "dude took lane already picked". Rito then looks at pregame lobby and says, "yup, he sure did do that...ranked ban for this guy." It's not hard lol.
MisterHealYoGirl1 votesThis would be essentially impossible to do. You can't rely on what they say, because sometimes people don't talk in lobby. You also can't rely on what they picked, since many (if not most) champions can go in more than one role. Kayle, for example, is viable in all of them. Although some cases are very obvious, most are not nearly so clear-cut. It's also important to note that not all of these are intentional; if someone has language issues or was legitimately confused about where they were supposed to go, this system could burn them for things that aren't their fault.
LaceUp231 votesIt wouldn't fix all of the problems to start, but it would go a very long way in addressing them. You can't fix all toxicity, so you're saying we shouldn't even try to do it then?
I'm not sure how the Kayle example fits...trolling a lane can be done with any champ lol.
All of them are intentional.
Mayor Stubbs1 votesI'm not saying I don't agree with you that something should be done, but I think just relying on the report system has too many flaws for such a serious punishment and realistically would cause riot a lot more work than theyre willing to put in.
LaceUp231 votesThen they shouldn't complain about "toxic" if they aren't willing to fix it.
MisterHealYoGirl2 votesIf someone picks Kayle, it may be clear to them that they're going jungle, but I don't know that; they could be anything. People often don't talk in lobby, so I have to guess what they're doing; if I guess wrong, I just have to make it work. About intentionality, you're just wrong: language issues are absolutely a thing, and confusion is also possible, especially when multiple people call and change their roles rapidly. I think that the best solution (and something that Riot is actually working on now) is working towards Ranked Team Builder; RTB lets everyone pick their roles ahead of time, and if you see a sketchy pick that you don't like, the team leader can kick them from the lobby.
LaceUp231 votesIf someone picks Kayle, doesn't have smite, and doesn't say a word, it is not your fault for going jungle. It is their fault.
If you can't understand English, there are many ways around it. So that's not really an excuse lol.
MisterHealYoGirl1 votesBut what does handing out 2-week ranked bans like candy accomplish that something like ranked Team Builder doesn't? Also, what's an example of a way around being in a game and not speaking the same language as any of other the participants?
LaceUp231 votesThe terms, like ADC, are pretty universal. ADC is ADC in league. I can jump on a different server and say, "ADC". You can pretty much see where a champ is going if they don't talk. For example, if you grab smite, you are going jungle.
You will never convince my that someone that played on a server until level 30 is not going to understand what ADC is. If they don't, they shouldn't be playing the game.
MisterHealYoGirl1 votesBut it's not like everyone calls one role, and then it all works out nicely. It's a free-for-all. I've had games where four different people claimed mid, and someone who doesn't speak English well is not going to be able to parse the debate that follows that. You also didn't answer my question.
LaceUp231 votesNo, that is the answer to the question. You use the roles, as they are the same. 4 people might call mid, but if the first person takes it, it is obviously off the table. If you can't understand that, then don't play ranked. Simple. The biggest problem we have is dumb fucks.
MisterHealYoGirl1 votesBut, to draw it full circle, what if they pick Kayle? Four people have called mid, one of them has locked in Kayle, and I, who don't understand English, am next pick.
LaceUp231 votesPretty simple. If they called Mid and locked in Kayle without saying anything else, it's pretty obvious they are going mid. If they decided to go to a different lane, they would have said so.
MisterHealYoGirl1 votesBut imagine you don't speak English. You see four people call mid, then you see a complicated debate that you can't read, in which each player mentions two or more other roles. You likely have NO IDEA where you're going. And you STILL haven't answered my question: what does this accomplish that the upcoming Ranked Team Builder doesn't?
LaceUp231 votesYou see someone call mid, don't say any other lane, and then select a champ that mids. If you pick mid you are trolling and should get a permaban. Period. Ranked teambuilder is dumb because there aren't going to be that many people playing. Que times too long waiting for support. Also, being able to climb in ranking just by spamming one champ in 1 role is pretty meh.
MisterHealYoGirl1 votesBut they DO say other lanes. Everyone is negotiating, suggesting multiple roles that they would like to play. You have no idea where the debate ended up, and the evidence that you have (someone picked Kayle) is not helpful.
You have no idea what the queue times in ranked team builder would be. It doesn't even exist yet. I would say that if you could introduce a version of ranked that GUARANTEED you would get your role and your champion, the queue would fill up pretty darn fast.
Listen, this debate is clearly going nowhere. Riot is never going to do what you suggest here. They are aware of the problems inherent within the community, and they are working to address them. I'm tired of this argument. Have a lovely day.
3tyson1 votesWhat about trundle will he get banned for beint a troll king
Kazaashi1 votesThis thread just reeks of "I'mma try to fix Ranked, cause that is easier than admitting I'm not as good as I think I am."
Maximum Morde1 votesMeta sheep lel. Nothing wrong with duo top duo mid duo jg etc. You just have to take advantage of those kinds of lanes force objectives with your increased presence in that lane.
XIII Vanitas1 votesRanked teambuilder. Problem solved.
XinZhao2WinNhao1 votesI have done duo mid or duo jungle or trio bot and made it work before. I have no problem if my 5th pick does that too
Yatsufuså1 votesRole
frigginmurlocs1 votesTruly draconian don't you think
Bulletproof Car1 votesbad idea i love breaking the meta in ranked with duo mid and duo top