What's the most annoying thing? Unacceptable responses are as follows
"When my team sucks" "When (insert role) feeds" "When I get fed and everyone else sucks"
I want things that happen in game that make you rage super hard, not how your teammates play
I'd have to say the most annoying thing for me is when someone escapes death from your ignite with less than 10 health left.
Eleshakai7 votesGetting matched with a 4 man premade. By far the most frustrating experience.
Zamiake1 votesDo draft modes stop people from mass quing to gather? It should i think. Other wise its casual players verus ranked try hards that dont wanna play against people on their level. its really dumb and really unfair
Eleshakai2 votesDo draft modes stop people from mass quing to gather? It should i think. Other wise its casual players verus ranked try hards that dont wanna play against people on their level. its really dumb and really unfair
I believe it's only ranked where you can't queue as four, but I could be misremembering.
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Dragonface2 votesI heard in that situation if you try really hard, you can kill yourself because that's how annoying it is.
Luner Hunter3 votesrito's outlook on healers and supports in general
Dragonface1 votesHow so, though? Like specifics bro.
Luner Hunter2 votesi only need one word: Sona
but i'm sure i can tack on the majority of the support roster with the constant AP ratio nerfs to their dmg and healing because morello "healin is toxic brah but that insane lifesteal is okai" and "supports shouldn't do dmg" but they list MAGES as supports then fuck their dmg cuz they forced them botlane...
Dragonface2 votesI do agree that supports shouldn't do a ton of damage.
And lifesteal is balanced. Healing can be annoying because if you have a healer support and I don't, you have a slight advantage over me because you can eat more harass than I can, so I have to play super safe.
Luner Hunter2 votessupports shouldn't do a ton of damage.
atm they do NO dmg and why not? why can't a support do dmg? thats like saying ADC's should do dmg but have no abilities to off set their MASSIVE dmg
Dragonface2 votesBy this outlook, then they should remove auto attacks from mages.
The point I'm making is, does it make sense to make SUPPORTS (think of the meaning of the word) become carries? They shouldn't do a ton of damage, and if they do, they should be offset by losing utility or tankiness. Look at Braum, he's a great support, but he really doesn't hurt, because he has a ton of utility and tankiness. But then look at Morg, she has decent damage and utility, but she can be shredded pretty easily. Soraka has damage and utility too, and can be shredded pretty easily.
The role of a support is to help your team through items that help them live, give them more life steal, shields them, increasese their move speed, slows enemies, etc. You're supporting your team in a way that you're helping them secure kills and objectives. Would it be fair if Leona was extremely tanky, had utility, and could solo burst you late game?
Nakawaka2 votesBy this outlook, then they should remove auto attacks from mages.
The point I'm making is, does it make sense to make SUPPORTS (think of the meaning of the word) become carries? They shouldn't do a ton of damage, and if they do, they should be offset by losing utility or tankiness. Look at Braum, he's a great support, but he really doesn't hurt, because he has a ton of utility and tankiness. But then look at Morg, she has decent damage and utility, but she can be shredded pretty easily. Soraka has damage and utility too, and can be shredded pretty easily.
The role of a support is to help your team through items that help them live, give them more life steal, shields them, increasese their move speed, slows enemies, etc. You're supporting your team in a way that you're helping them secure kills and objectives. Would it be fair if Leona was extremely tanky, had utility, and could solo burst you late game?
So you mean to say they either do tons (or enough) of damage or tank tons of damage or save people from tons of damage. Pick one-two of the three
Dragonface1 votesNot really TONS of damage, but it'd be pretty unfair for Taric to be able to 1v1 the ADC late game. But for the most part, yeah, most supports have one-two of those attributes. Soraka, utility and damage, no tank, Taric, Tank and Utility, no damage, Morg, Utility, some damage, very little tank, Braum, tank and utility, very little damage, Zyra, decent damage, good utility, can't tank, Thresh, good damage, utility, can't tank a whole lot early. Nami, great utility, decent damage, can't tank.
Luner Hunter2 votesso you're saying supports should just be the "bitch" of the team? tank shit to the face, cc, heal, but don't you ever do any dmg cuz if you do dmg you cant have any tank, cc, or heals... except 
has all this in spades and has been see as a support quite a bit 
such sustain much tank total dmg 
lulz... CC, tank af, free LifeLeach/SpellVamp, Dmg for days 
ect... but these are all okay to have everything because they AREN'T supports.... wait... wtf? aint that some bullshit?
Basically EVERY ARGUMENT that supports can't do dmg comes down to "supports are supports so they cant do dmg" with no other actual reason besides that
Dragonface2 votesThat's not bullshit at all...that's the way it's SUPPOSED to be. Does Nasus build Talisman of Ascension to boost his teammates move speed? No, he builds Trinity. Does Nidalee build Locket of the Iron Solari to shield her teammates? No, she builds Lichbane. Does Tryndamere build Frozen Heart to slow the enemies attacks? No, he builds IE.
Notice how you essentially are saying that supports should get free damage while all these people you mentioned need to earn it.
Supports are supports, as you said, and so yes, the do NOT need to do damage if they also have utility and tankiness, and that's a PERFECTLY viable excuse as to why. If you really believe it's a good idea, let's go back to how strong some of the supports were in Season 3, when they could essentially shut down the lane completely for one side.
If you want to deal damage, play a role that is meant to deal damage, if you want to help your team, play a support. Simple as that.
Lastly, I'm going to assume you're one of the people in WoW who plays arenas and thinks that healers should be able to deal damage.
Luner Hunter2 votesLastly, I'm going to assume you're one of the people in WoW who plays arenas and thinks that healers should be able to deal damage.
First off let me say this make you make an ass of yourself as i hate WoW and never played it
Does Nasus build Talisman of Ascension to boost his teammates move speed? snip to make this shorter
just the two off the top of my head
If you want to deal damage, play a role that is meant to deal damage, if you want to help your team, play a support. Simple as that.
So tanks like 
should do no damage as they are all tanky as fuck and have CC?
OR
since they do all kinds of dmg they should have no CC or tank?
the point being there are alot of champions the violate you're who idea of
Supports are supports, as you said, and so yes, the do NOT need to do damage if they also have utility and tankiness, and that's a PERFECTLY viable excuse as to why.
as they get utility, tank, AND DMG **edit **the only difference is they don't go botlane to be the bitch of the ADC all game
Dragonface1 votesWhat you're failing to see is we're talking about SUPPORTS. When is the last time you've seen almost ANY of those champions you listed go bot and build straight support, no damage? Again, what you're saying is that supports should get free damage. You are SUPPORTING your team, not carrying it. SUPPORT, again think of what the word means. THINK REALLY HARD because obviously what you think support means is "Support by being able to kill the enemy team" instead of "build items that gives synergy to my team in the areas of which they are good or bad"
Here's what we'll do to satisfy your need for apparently damage from supports.
Leona's E is now buffed to increased damages to compensate, since obviously a top picked support isn't good enough.
Zenith Blade
60 / 100 / 140 / 180 / 220 (+ 40% AP) changed to 75/115/155/196/235 (+40% AP)
Now, real quick, let's compare to Fizz, who is an assassin.
Tidal Trickster
10 / 40 / 70 / 100 / 130 (+ 60% AP)
Would you look at that? Zenith Blade at all levels deals higher base damage than an Assassin's ability of similar utility and level. Except Tidal Trickster doesn't stun someone
Let's go with another comparison, shall we?
Crescendo
150 / 250 / 350 (+ 50% AP)
Pretty decent damage huh? And an AoE stun! Why don't we compare it to someone who does single target damage (which should be significantly stronger) who is ALSO a top pick in ranked?
Assault and Battery
200 / 325 / 450 (+ 140% bonus AD)
So you're telling me the flat damage of Sona's ult is only 50 damage less at level 1, 75 less at level 11, and 100 less at level 16, AND it's an AoE stun?????
She definitely doesn't deal enough damage. Why don't we go with someone who is more tanky?
Shatter
40 / 80 / 120 / 160 / 200 (+ 20% armor)
That's not too bad, and would you look at that? It beats Fizz's base damage on his Tidal Trickster, PLUS it increases everyone's armor and your own while not on CD, AND is increased by going more tanky, AND shreds the enemies armor when used! Whoaaaaaaa. But I mean, it's not that powerful right? Let's compare it to another champion with an AoE ability.
Cull the Meek (Unempowered)
60 / 90 / 120 / 150 / 180 (+ 80% bonus AD)
Well, I suppose it starts out stronger than Taric and heals, but would you look at that? At max level, the SUPPORT out damages, again, in base damage. But look at the utility on it compared to Renekton's! Plus you get to build tanky and deal damage???? But it's not that strong, right?
Yeah, you're right, supports most definitely need buffs, I mean, they don't deal NEARLY as much damage as others early game. They really need buffs badly to their damage, that way, hopefully early, mid, and late game, they can be bursting down the opposing tanks.
Also, explain something, you're Silver 5 and disagreeing, saying that supports aren't currently balanced when top picks in ranked and the creators disagree with you, while I'm agreeing with what the CREATORS of the game is saying along with the people who have played 500 games for each ONE you've played.
You're right, you probably know more about champion balance than the creators of the game and the people who make a living out of playing this game.
Luner Hunter1 votesWhat you're failing to see is we're talking about SUPPORTS
what YOU'RE failing to see is the bot lane "supports" are FORCED to be down there cuz if they go mid they get nerfed into the trashcan! remember mid/top lulu? rito fixed that shit RIGHT QUICK
Again, what you're saying is that supports should get free damage.
NO i said i want BETTER SCALING doesn't anyone read?
You are SUPPORTING your team, not carrying it.
you're right i'm not carrying my ADC for the first 10 mins of the game.... wtf have i been doing for the last 2 years playing league? i've been doing this shit wrong all along? WAIT no i haven't i've been CARRYING MY ADC TILL HE CAN CARRY ME
THINK REALLY HARD because obviously what you think support means is "Support by being able to kill the enemy team" instead of "build items that gives synergy to my team in the areas of which they are good or bad"
I know what a support is and i know the STRONGEST for of CC is them being dead, that aside, building any AP support "items that give synergy" = building AP items and if im building AP items WHY CANT MY ABILITIES SCALE FOR SHIT? it feels like a vayne building AP for the scaling on her % hp dmg instead of building AD: ALMOST USELESS!
Leona's E is now buffed to increased damages to compensate, since obviously a top picked support isn't good enough.
because everyone should play Leona, Thresh, Blitz, and Braum right?
Would you look at that? Zenith Blade at all levels deals higher base damage than an Assassin's ability of similar utility and level. Except Tidal Trickster doesn't stun someone
LOL did you just compair fizz's free hourglass on a 6 second CD + dmg to leona's E? anyways if you're maxing E first... and only playing Leona... then you MIGHT have a point BUT...you've got mental issues if you're maxing E first AND it doesnt scale with anything she builds! if you've noticed i've been bitching about AP supports?
So you're telling me the flat damage of Sona's ult is only 50 damage less at level 1, 75 less at level 11, and 100 less at level 16, AND it's an AoE stun?????
someone please read the patch notes EVERY PATCH its a nerf to sona, that aside, you see them SCALING %'s? yeah thats what im talkin about i want them to SCALE BETTER and it seems YOU and RIOT have forgotten Sona IS A FUCKING MAGE which she should be doing decent dmg
That's not too bad, and would you look at that? It beats Fizz's base damage on his Tidal Trickster, PLUS it increases everyone's armor and your own while not on CD, AND is increased by going more tanky, AND shreds the enemies armor when used! Whoaaaaaaa. But I mean, it's not that powerful right? Let's compare it to another champion with an AoE ability.
Well, I suppose it starts out stronger than Taric and heals, but would you look at that? At max level, the SUPPORT out damages, again, in base damage. But look at the utility on it compared to Renekton's! Plus you get to build tanky and deal damage???? But it's not that strong, right?
First you post only UNEMPOWERED which is only HALF the ability while including ALL of taric's? lets alteast include each full ability okay? Second Renk's heal AND dmg scale well from him building AD which also increases his base attack at a 1:1 now taric gets 20% of any armor he builds? really? are you srsly comparing this shit? and since when did taric ever deal dmg?
Also, explain something, you're Silver 5 and disagreeing, saying that supports aren't currently balanced when top picks in ranked and the creators disagree with you, while I'm agreeing with what the CREATORS of the game is saying along with the people who have played 500 games for each ONE you've played.
This is the exact "elitist" attitude many others have taken "we're higher ranked so you CANT POSSIBLY KNOW AS MUCH AS ME!" as well as "we're the developers we'll do whatever we like" - a la Fearless on the sona rework
Things like sona's last nerf "her eirly game was too strong so we nerfed her % ap scaling" ............. yeah her eirly game OP lets nerf her SCALING which OBVIOUSLY effects LATE GAME when she actually HAS SOME AP TO SCALE
EVEN A BRONZIE CAN TELL THAT SHIT MAKES NO SENSE... but some how it does to the developers?
But I do suppose no one who isn't challanger or a developer knows anything about this game, can't do math, and doesn't deserve to enjoy the role they attempt to play without rito constantly nerfing EVERY CHAMPION in that role ( look back at the patch notes atleast one or two supports get nerfed each patch mostly % scaling and base dmg of their abilites )
Lets also mention that YOU are just silver 2 and by your own logic your opinion doesn't matter either so why are you posting?
Lets also not mention I could also play the "match a champion to my needs" game you have right off the top of my head does more dmg than 
but lets stay realistic shall we?
Dragonface1 votesOut of your whole argument, I stopped reading after you told me that Fizz's Q is an hourglass on a 6 second CD. Seems like the person who doesn't know champions here is you.
Finally decided 2 hours later to read your post when I was bored.
So then, tell me, what should they do? Increase their scaling so that supports can INDEED hit as hard as every other champ? The whole point is, if you look closely, I showed you people with GOOD abilities, with great base damage. You up their scaling, now you've made them OP because their base damage and scaling is so insanely high that they just assassinate everything that comes near them.
"Oh but wait Fanryu, why don't we lower the base damage and make the ratios higher?"
Gee, what a great idea! Except then playing ANY person as support which is clearly what we're arguing about would make their damage completely useless UNLESS they build AP.
Holy shit, look at that, a Silver 3 player just told you what Riot knows and you refuse to accept.
Also, your two years of experience means nothing. The amount of time means zilch because I'll let you in on a little secret....
I started back in 2010 when Vlad was new.
Inb4 "Lol and you're still silver?"
Why, yes, I am, because I care nothing for playing ranked until my eyeballs bleed out of my head because of trolls and people who just generally want to get under people's skin.
And lastly, I never said I'm right because I'm a higher rank, we're both silver, the skill difference is tiny. I'm saying that your opinion is wrong because all the people who are HIGHER THAN BOTH OF US agree with what I said, yet who backs your opinion up? Probably all the people in Bronze who are trying to master support so they can get carried, but get butthurt that Leona/Soraka/Sona/whoever can't 100-0 you in 2 seconds like all these people who play Kat, Akali, Zed, etc
Luner Hunter1 votesi couldn't help but laugh cynically at your whole post
which is clearly what we're arguing about would make their damage completely useless UNLESS they build AP.
the Season 4 update didn't already screw their dmg till they build a TON of ap?
Also, your two years of experience means nothing. The amount of time means zilch because I'll let you in on a little secret....
I started back in 2010 when Vlad was new.
I haven't been playing for JUST 2 years that's just how long i've been maining supports ;)
I'm saying that your opinion is wrong because all the people who are HIGHER THAN BOTH OF US agree with what I said, yet who backs your opinion up?
And those exact same people say Zed, Fizz, and Lee Sin are perfectly fine and i suppose you agree with them on that too right?
Probably all the people in Bronze who are trying to master support so they can get carried, but get butthurt that Leona/Soraka/Sona/whoever can't 100-0 you in 2 seconds like all these people who play Kat, Akali, Zed, etc
Btw i like your baseless accusations that anyone who agrees with me is bronze
i'd like you to check everyone's Rank in these threads and tell me if all of them are bronze k?
and thats just for 1 support champion i happen to know there is ATLEAST one player who was DIAMOND at the time with well over 1000 games as sona and EVEN HE wasn't pleased with things were being handled
So can you get something legit to base your accusations off of?
Dragonface1 votesSo hoss, since you're the balance God of League, explain how exactly you could make supports better without breaking them?
And did you really just say supports deal no damage unless they build a ton of AP?
Excuse me, these supports would like to have a word with you.
Because I can sure as shit tell you the way they've been gearing supports is to make them supports. Doesn't make much sense to take someone like Alistar and just say "Well, he's normally built as a tank...but people are saying they want him AP also, so screw it, we'll up his AP ratios."
Okay, now everyone is building like Vlad, HP and AP, and relying on their ult to mitigate damage. Congratulations, that's one support who is now broken.
"Sona's AP ratios and damage ratios keep dropping, let's shove those back up and make her 'balanced' again, that way she can play 'even' in mid against people who aren't supports!"
You mean how like Sona's in lane bullying potential was so damn high early game because all you needed to do was build a little early AP and level Q first and you could literally just sit there and bully anyone trying to come up for CS?
"Thresh just seems too defensive, let's shove him on offense by increasing his E's base damage and make his ult hurt more, that way he can go top and mid too!"
Great, let's make the E of which you can purposely charge up to max and poke people with and REALLY hurt them even stronger, and while we're at it, let's make that insanely good slow HURT even more now. Greatttttttt.
"Nami seems like she's pretty offensive but she just doesn't seem to do a lot of damage in mid lane, let's boost that damage a bit by making her endless poke after she gets a little mana regen more painful!"
Yay! Now she's gonna heal herself, damage me, and heal her teammate even more, and all in one go! All because people wanted to see her mid more often! Can't wait to get hit with that MASSIVE wave that knocks up my team and shreds half our health!
"Braum just didn't have enough potential as a bruiser top, so we went ahead and boosted his health-to-damage ratio on his Q!"
AWESOME! Let's take that low mana cost ability and make it stronger, so that when I go bot against the people who wanna keep playing him support can just build straight health and push me so hard out of lane that I need to literally be fucking the turret to feel safe.
In season 2 and 3, supports WERE hitting as hard as ADCs and mids and such, and that was the problem. I could go bot, build a Kage's, Philo stone, and HoG on Sona/Taric/Ali/(insert viable support here) and bam, I can now take a few hits, dish out damage, and have near limitless mana, as long as I don't senselessly spam, AND on stop of that, I can just build straight AP after that and I'll be shredding everyone that gets close, and healing my team like it's nothing.
My "baseless" claims come from years of experience playing ALL lanes, not just support, and seeing the damage a support who gets assist fed can do.
And sure, I'll get something legit to base my "accusations" (Don't see anywhere where I was accusing anyone of anything) off of. Let's see, try this website right here, they'll give you a pretty good idea of why things were changed.
http://www.leagueoflegends.com
My (apparently) "elitist" attitude comes from knowing how balancing works. Have you ever heard of the butterfly effect? The same thing holds true to game balance. If you change one thing, everything changes. What you think will just be a slight increase in viable mid laners, I see as a massive decrease to assassin's mid since people like Taric and Ali will go mid more, tankier champions going bot since ADCs would get shredded against 2 people who deal damage, people with shielding abilities increasing in viability even more so than they are now (Lulu, Morg, Sona, Riven, Vi, etc), and less ADCs because they would be just too squishy to stay in lane.
All you're thinking of is "DUDE LOL AP SONA 2 GUD BRING BAK LYK SHE WUZ ON RELEEZE LOL". The developers aren't going to satisfy your wants if it's going to offset balance more than it already is. If you HONESTLY believe that increasing damage on SUPPORTS (For the last time, I'll say it again, a SUPPORT, meaning you assist your team by giving them move speed, armor, MR, shields) is a good idea, then I invite you to step away from League and show me any other well known MOBA out there that makes their support champions hit hard. (Remember, I said WELL KNOWN)
Luner Hunter1 votesBecause I can sure as shit tell you the way they've been gearing supports is to make them supports. Doesn't make much sense to take someone like Alistar and just say "Well, he's normally built as a tank...but people are saying they want him AP also, so screw it, we'll up his AP ratios."
Tank supports are fine with building tank however AP supports dont get shit for building ap AND annie IS NOT A SUPPORT she's a midlaner that was forced out of her role into botlane because of "league of assasins" mid
"Sona's AP ratios and damage ratios keep dropping, let's shove those back up and make her 'balanced' again, that way she can play 'even' in mid against people who aren't supports!"
But it's okay to see things like 
go botlane AS SUPPORTS when they are really AP midlaners eh? cuz their better scaling AND CC is totaly "balanced" vs real supports amirite?
You mean how like Sona's in lane bullying potential was so damn high early game because all you needed to do was build a little early AP and level Q first and you could literally just sit there and bully anyone trying to come up for CS?
either you don't know how to play agenst sona... or you're just bad at league since her rework she doesn't hurt that much EVEN WITH her Q PC not to mention IT IS HER JOB TO POKE EIRLY AND HURT thats why rito labled her a POKE SUPPORT in season 3 AND 4 before totally fucking her over
"Thresh just seems too defensive, let's shove him on offense by increasing his E's base damage and make his ult hurt more, that way he can go top and mid too!"
you seem to like to go off topic don't you? each time i bring up better dmg scaling i refrence AP supports however you like to throw in the tanks which are currently in a good spot
And sure, I'll get something legit to base my "accusations" (Don't see anywhere where I was accusing anyone of anything) off of. Let's see, try this website right here, they'll give you a pretty good idea of why things were changed.
here is your accusations
Also, explain something, you're Silver 5 and disagreeing, saying that supports aren't currently balanced when top picks in ranked and the creators disagree with you, while I'm agreeing with what the CREATORS of the game is saying along with the people who have played 500 games for each ONE you've played.
this one says since i'm silver 5 i must be stupid i can't have any idea what im talking about because again i am silver 5 and disagreeing with you and the developers
Lastly, I'm going to assume you're one of the people in WoW who plays arenas and thinks that healers should be able to deal damage.
In this one you accuse me of playing wow like it's some horrible thing (which is used to assume someone isn't that smart) and then you assume i want LoL to play like WoW o.0
I could go through more of your post and put in your accusations but i figure 2 is good enough
My (apparently) "elitist" attitude comes from knowing how balancing works. Have you ever heard of the butterfly effect? The same thing holds true to game balance. If you change one thing, everything changes. What you think will just be a slight increase in viable mid laners, I see as a massive decrease to assassin's mid since people like Taric and Ali will go mid more, tankier champions going bot since ADCs would get shredded against 2 people who deal damage, people with shielding abilities increasing in viability even more so than they are now (Lulu, Morg, Sona, Riven, Vi, etc), and less ADCs because they would be just too squishy to stay in lane.
oh man an end of LEAGUE OF ASSASSINS?! say it aint so! you mean then the AP midlaners like MORGANA AND ANNIE can go back midlane where they belong? wtf is that shit? and how would buffing a SUPPORT increase Riven and Vi's shielding abilities? it wouldn't! they might GET shielded but thats not THEIR ability! ontop of that OH NOES YOU MEAN ADC'S WON'T BE THE NUMBER 1 ALL IMPORTANT CLASS IN THE GAME!?! :O you mean some other class might have the chance to carry? well thats OP better nerf Sona!
All you're thinking of is "DUDE LOL AP SONA 2 GUD BRING BAK LYK SHE WUZ ON RELEEZE LOL". The developers aren't going to satisfy your wants if it's going to offset balance more than it already is. If you HONESTLY believe that increasing damage on SUPPORTS (For the last time, I'll say it again, a SUPPORT, meaning you assist your team by giving them move speed, armor, MR, shields) is a good idea, then I invite you to step away from League and show me any other well known MOBA out there that makes their support champions hit hard. (Remember, I said WELL KNOWN)
any other well known MOBA out
Scuse me Sir ever play DOTA, Prime World, HoN, or SMITE? all have dmg dealing supports :O
All you're thinking of is "DUDE LOL AP SONA 2 GUD BRING BAK LYK SHE WUZ ON RELEEZE LOL".
don't claim to know what i'm thinking because that's not at all what i want. i want her AND other AP supports to stay relevant throughout the game. as they stand they become press Q for stun and become useless till your Q is back up
Now i know it's hard for you to stay on topic but this is about AP supports not Tanks when you reply you really should strive to stay on topic more and learn there is more than JUST sona who is an AP support. :)
Zamiake2 votestaric can already do that if he plays well enough
Luner Hunter1 votesBy this outlook, then they should remove auto attacks from mages.
no last time i checked a mage does MAYBE 80-100 effective AA dmg late game where as someone like Jinx can do several hundred dmg with her laser AND crit for fuck tons of dmg
Dragonface2 votesAnd you wanna know the difference between a support and Jinx? Jinx doesn't innately crit you for 400-500 damage at level 1, where-as supports have the ability to stun you, heal you, zone you, and tank you from level 1 onward. It's like you want supports to not be supports anymore
Luner Hunter1 votesJinx doesn't innately crit you for 400-500 damage at level 1
I do believe i posted this
AA dmg late game
now let me break this down for you
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Jinx doesn't innately crit you for 400-500 damage at level 1, where-as supports have the ability to stun you, heal you, zone you, and tank you from level 1 onward.
and the same can be said about supports they cant zone + heal + stun + tank all at lvl 1 either (you might get 2 of the 4 at lvl 1)
not to mention ADCs get loading with a ton of shit that doesnt even have anything to do with being an ADC by your standards! "you mean they can do dmg, have gap closers, AND have CC its like you dont want them to be ADCs anymore!"
Dragonface1 votesSo again, as I said, you're saying that supports shouldn't have to build for damage, but ADCs (Who most assassins can instaburst) should have to.
Again, essentially what you're saying is that if you play support you should be able to do just as much damage as your ADC, be able to tank all the damage, stun the enemy, and heal them back.
Almost EVERY support with decent damage falls off hard about level 6-9, and their damage becomes negligible, and that's ON PURPOSE, so that stupid shit like 1v1ing the jungler doesn't happen, because how does it make much sense that I can shield my entire team, increase their speed, slow the enemy, heal my teammates, stun people, tank everything, and hit hard? There is NO disadvantage to that, everyone would be running Leona top, Soraka mid, Thresh jungle, because all of these champions would have no down side at all. If you can honestly name one non-support champion that has all of the things you apparently want in a support innately (Heal, tankiness, damage output, and it comes straight out of their kit, no items) is balanced, and doesn't require any kind of special itemization, and I'll drop this immediately and agree with you
Luner Hunter1 votesName one uncounterable support that can zone every single duo bot no matter what.
who said anything about uncounterable?
So again, as I said, you're saying that supports shouldn't have to build for damage, but ADCs (Who most assassins can instaburst) should have to.
never said they shouldn't have to build for it but that rito should let supports have ratios WORTH BUILDING AP for
Again, essentially what you're saying is that if you play support you should be able to do just as much damage as your ADC, be able to tank all the damage, stun the enemy, and heal them back.
said i wanted them to do DECIENT dmg not the NO DMG they do even late game
There is NO disadvantage to that
you mean like them ppl playing Zed, Fizz, and Lee Sin who have no drawbacks playing them 3 champs for the freelo wins because they ARE SO BROKE and RIOT EVEN SAID THEY WERE but wont do shit about them because they make them #LC$PLAYS?
name one non-support champion that has all of the things you apparently want in a support innately Heal, tankiness, damage output, and it comes straight out of their kit, no items
You REALLY don't play much... or don't know much about the champions in the League most of these heal themselves and are tanky af and bursty af aswell AND
CAN HEAL OTHERS with better ratios than most supports AND tank like a boss AND deal a FUCK TON of dmg
so on both fronts you either have a huge lack of information about the champions in league or just didn't think
Dragonface1 votesSo Lee is innately a tank, along with Aatrox, Cass, Elise, Fiddle, etc, without any kind of item at all. Meaning at level 18, they would be able to beat any other champion in the game, since they have all those things, without any items, just a simple 1v1 at max level? Please, explain to me what abilities those champions have that greatly reduce damage taken? Just like ANY OTHER CHAMPION if you SHUT THEM DOWN they will be useless. Also, what utility does Lee bring to his team? Other than being able to kick someone backwards? How about Aatrox with one of the shortest stuns in the game? Cass with her slow that you can very easily avoid? Or Elise's stun that you can easily avoid? What about where is Fiddle's innate tankiness? Interrupt his drain and bam, he's now completely vulnerable. Kayle? Engage her either when her E is down, or simple stun her and get out of range when her ult is on herself. Nasus? He only deals damage if you actually FARM. Play against Teemo and tell me how much damage you do late game. Morde? Uhhh....since when does Morde even do anything useful now? Maokai? Lol, he has enough burst to remove half your health, and is then completely vulnerable. Olaf is VERY easily kited and bursed, along with Renekton, Rengar, Trundle, Udyr, and Zac. Tryndamere is made useless by just about any CC, knockback, or quick burst. Renekton is beaten by doing 2 things, 1 stay out of range of his Q or bait it, and 2, don't engage him when his E is up. Swain? Ignite and lolololol bye bye tankiness. Vlad, very easily kited too, PLUS he's incredibly vulnerable after he pools, AND not only that he has a lot of health, not much else. Put a fed ADC on him and boom, he's dead in a few short seconds.
And Nid and Kayle are both tanks and supports now? Strange how I rarely see any of them in high ELO play.
I feel like you read every other line I put down. Because it seems like certain things I mention you hop right on, but other things I mention you just skip right over.
Luner Hunter1 votesSo Lee is innately a tank, along with Aatrox, Cass, Elise, Fiddle, etc, without any kind of item at all.
yes quite a few of them CAN and DO win game they are even behind in BECAUSE they have a ton utility, leach/heal,tank, and dmg where have you been?
Also, what utility does Lee bring to his team? Other than being able to kick someone backwards? snip
the ability to AVOID skillshows OR point-and-click abilities doesnt change the fact they have them AND that said abilities make them bursty/tanky/high utility (free LS, SV, disables, heals themselves WW Q+passive? Nasus passive+ult, Renk ult, ect)
Play against Teemo and tell me how much damage you do late game.
counter play again doesn't remove their innate ability to be tanky and bursty
And Nid and Kayle are both tanks and supports now? Strange how I rarely see any of them in high ELO play.
i forgot we're all LCS'ers and only play champs that 100% meta! WAIT! we're not and if you dont see kayle and nid's ability to tank you've forgotten what kayle can do AND there IS fighter nids out there
I feel like you read every other line I put down. Because it seems like certain things I mention you hop right on, but other things I mention you just skip right over.
I do not reply to some of it because it doesn't deserve a response... it's just flat out wrong or doesn't make enough sense for me to waste my time on it
Dragonface1 votesI stopped replying because balance god bronze is always right.
Luner Hunter1 votessilver already, while you still havent finished your placements, and still have the same ideals :O
NoFunWithNunu2 votesWell dude it seems like you are really stupid, supports are made to support a team, if you want a carry that goes bot, just pick annie or morgana, but you cannot touch a team with a janna so easy, tornado and ult, keeps you away, morgana can do that, fizz? Syndra? nope
If everything fails, pick any mid laner, shove it bot and build full ap and proceed to carry because you wanted a support that does damage
Now think if leona had scales of orianna, do you imagine a full combo? Thats easy a pentakill packed with 2 stun and a root, on top of that tanky, now imagine what would happen with a squishy chatacter, who would protect that?
lulu was a thing but she is nothing nearby to a carry compared to orianna, syndra, nidalee
And for a last thing, dota supports do damage because there is no spell scale in dota, but int and squishy supports have high base dmg, paired with most support items have int, unless you are one of those that buildmask of madness, sangue and yasha and maybe desolator on keeper of the light,well you may deserve low elo in both games
Zamiake2 votesagreeded. In the patch notes it clearly states it was a nerf caused by her heal poking power in arams. So why the fuck is it appling to ALL MODES
OverpoweredSoap3 votesDealing with a fed Fizz.
Like dayum.
What the fuck am I to do?
Zamiake1 votesshe needs a movement spd nerf to counter that gap closer. An avain gets 370 with up'd boots man that pitiful
bzhen09153 votesAutolockers in blind pick. Those are worst thing ever.
And in game it's when Baron gets stolen and we get aced soon afterwards.
Zamiake1 votesSPECIALLY when a role is called and they auto lock after seeing the post in ur role
NoFunWithNunu1 votesIts called BLIND pick, not Ask it nice pick or i called first pick
IceKingChernobog3 voteswhen someone begs for a lane, and gets it. Then proceeds to feed wannabe "smurfs" douche "smurfs"
Dragonface2 votes"I don't need your help, I have a Challenger I main and have been playing for 8 years, and been playing Graves for 7, trust me, I know everything about this game, Essence Reaver is a good item on Graves, learn to play."
TheSequelsRBad2 votesWhen I miss a point blank Shyvana ultimate. That has happened to me more times than it should i am afraid..... :(
Dragonface2 votesAnother thing that drives me crazy, when you play against Darius and do well the whole game and shut him down completely, just to have him secure 4 kills with his ultimate during a team fight and come back to be beasty.
Tin Tarantino3 votesOr you are vs a Darius and they just spam emotes the entire laning phase win or lose.
FuzziestPickle2 votesWhen someone calls a role that was already called, and waits until everyone gets locked in to say "oh haha sorry" as if they didn't know the bullshit they were pulling. Bonus points if you get yelled at later because you had to be the bigger person and fill whatever role was missing but do bad in it because you were going to go a top champ and ended up supporting.
BakedLotion2 votesGetting killed by lee sin and know that its impossible to run from him
Zamiake1 votesthreads are suggesting making lee sin actually blind like rek sais underground mode but like all game. that way its justified in his scaling and stuff, and he cant just walk up and roast you alive without some type of counter balance. He could literally lose u in a minion wave if he doesn group pound you and get vision on you. Actual blindness would be a counter balance and make him more of a challange to play. It also fits thematically and balancing and justifies his scaling without needing to make a giant rework that would take forever
Daen2 votesTeemo. Just...ugh.
Also lag. Lag sucks.
DrMarshSwamp1 votesCrits.
There is nothing fun about fighting someone who builds Crits as it always turns into a gamble as to who will be lucky or unlucky with their crit chance.
You could pretty much outplay someone completely, have them be one or two hits from death, and then have them just demolish your health bar just cause the game decided they deserved crits.
Its even more bullshit on ranged Champions, especially people with gap-closers like Graves.
Dragonface1 votesI do have to agree somewhat. Crit is a part of the game that unfortunately would destroy balance completely if you removed it. I love and hate crit at the same time.