When I have Targon's Brace and I'm about to take a seige minion. . . .

Embertine·Apr 4, 2016·25 votes·2,653 views

But my ADC takes it first, https://45.media.tumblr.com/b5dde65fb531fb79915b15df0ad0f0e5/tumblr_n0x0tkzV0s1scxu0co1_r1_500.gif

So I try to take a melee minions instead. . . .but my ADC takes them too. . . .

They be like, "Nah!" http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac262/rkorulez2525/mmo5iljAWK1snvrgeo1_500_zps032f7119.gif

Then my heart fills with despair for I realize I'm still in bronze. . . . https://media.giphy.com/media/xnBvtsFssZRn2/giphy.gif

33 Comments

Mister ModestyApr 4, 20169 votes

People say I'm bronze because I grab Smite when i Support with Alistar. A- I dont have the problem of ADC stealing my siege- because Smite procs Tribute. B- Chilling Smite has lower CD than Exhaust C- Rift Scuttle and Counter-Jungling- taking enemy jungle buffs helps your Support game. Gromp-Krug-Raptor-Wolves.. D- Lightning-fast leash. Either you start Red side or Blue side. If you start red, leash krugs, then start red. When Jungle gets to red, smite it for health and leave to lane. You will be healthy and your jungle can move on to the next camp faster. Blue is weirder- have them initiate smite, then follow up with your smite before leaving lane. E- Support is everybody's Support. This entails roaming. And I will take my Raptors if I know they'll respawn before my Jungle gets around to them. F- Dragon and Baron security. grabbing Smite has allowed me to steal Dragon (and less often Baron) when nobody on my team was around. Normally, a support might not pose a threat to Dragon or Baron. Give that Support Smite.

TokogawarufApr 4, 20168 votes

Thats actually quiet the strategy. Now i must test it out myself if it plays as good as it sounds.

Mister ModestyApr 4, 20163 votes

I hope you bring some fire-proof underwear. Because you'll get flamed. But it is fun, and it works really nicely.

KingnewgameplusApr 4, 20168 votes

Exhaust does more than slow but other than that it's pretty legit.

Mister ModestyApr 4, 20162 votes

Exhaust is really good. It has a stronger slow AND reduces damage output from exhausted Champion. Smite kind of divided it onto two smites.

Chilling Smite: Move Speed reduction Challenging Smite: Damage Reduction

Chilling Smite is definitely not a good move speed reducer compared to Exhaust. And it's weak against certain champs with high kite and peel like Luc or Ez who have in-kit 'flashes'. But- the low CD and damage output makes it a good alternative. I really only use Smite with Ali support- because I miss his Solo-lane capabilities- the kit is the same it's just the build and ratios. So when I roam, Smite works well with my kit.

TallyZrgApr 4, 20165 votes

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Exhaust

summoner 3 : Exhaust is a targeted Summoner spell that affects enemy champions. It reduces their movement speed and attack speed by 30%, their armor and magic resistance by 10, and their damage dealt by 40% for 2.5 seconds.

Exhaust does quite a lot to shut down a carry in a teamfight, but it is always good to have optional options in my opinion. You trade team fight effectiveness for more map pressure.

http://i.imgur.com/YKCi6VF.png?1

Mister ModestyApr 5, 20161 votes

Yes, Exhaust is definitely an amazing tool to have. I neglected to mention all the effects.. I'm not saying it isn't. But, like you said: options are good to have. I did say I only Smite with Ali, and that's because it works well with his kit... or at least how I use his kit.

EmbertineApr 5, 20162 votes

Upvoted solely for RedVsBlue.

TallyZrgApr 5, 20161 votes

RedVsBlue is the best! :3

ShadragonApr 4, 20162 votes

I used to do this a lot with Braum so I could build cinderhulk. Not having access to exhaust does have some downsides, but being able to jumpstart your jungler's first clear and always secure siege minions is great. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of dragon and baron control you get from having two smites on your team. I haven't tried it since the cinderhulk nerfs though, so who knows if it still works.

Mister ModestyApr 5, 20161 votes

You could build Runic Echoes on Braum and it would work nice. Runic Echoes just got a nerf too, though- and I havent Jungled Rammus since the nerf, so I don't know how viable it is on certain tanks.

XIII VanitasApr 4, 20162 votes

I did this once with Blitzcrank . The enemy Udyr didn't get a red buff in the entire game.

Mister ModestyApr 5, 20161 votes

The steals x'D

Blue Moon WolfApr 5, 20162 votes

I tried being a summoner 11 support. Gotta say, there is some great potential, but some of the cooler uses of it don't seem to work well. After a certain point, Gromp buff seems to not work no matter how many times you smite him, Krugs stun seem to only work on minions and monsters (which I could have sworn that buff is supposed to work on champs) and raptors are a bit far to get too, especially if you are on the red side. I really hope more people start to use summoner 11 as a support though. If Riot makes some adjustments, it could be a great option for supports with things like a bonus slow via item 3706 and warding through item 3711 .

Mister ModestyApr 5, 20162 votes

Gromp buff is kind of weak. It's mainly for Jungle clearing. Krugs need to be charged. Every 6th AA gets a stun. You have to watch the krug icon in the bottom left. When the number is 5, your next attack stuns. It's good to charge it on minions- hit diffrent minions just to lower their health, then hold off when you have 5 charges. Raptors is probably the best- giving you much better vision denial. Wolves is great for vision. As well as Rift Scuttler.

This is how I typically purchase items with my Ali "Jungling Support" Start item 3302 item 2009 x1 item 2043 item 3340 Rush item 2049 item 3341 item 1001 Core (In order of Priority) item 3117 item 3401 item 1409

I will get Targon's Brace first. Then Boots. Then Chilling Smite item. Then finish FotM. Then finish Cinderhulk. I also consider Cloth Armor and Null-Magic Mantle in between these builds.

*Remember- you can only smite for a buff ONCE. Once you Smite a camp, that camp has to respawn before you get the next buff from it. Maybe that was the problem with Gromp?

Supreme Senpai69Apr 5, 20161 votes

I take exhaust because it reduces their armor/magic resist and almost cuts their damage in half for 2.5 seconds. Movespeed is just icing on cake.

MyrddinApr 7, 20161 votes

Alright lets go over this

A - You execute minions, they should be last hitting them, how in the world are you missing these in lane. B - Exhaust isn't about the slow C - Why are you counterjungling? junglers don't even do this since it's so useless at the moment in reality. D - You are late to lane if you go to the second camp, which means you've either stolen experience from the jungler putting him behind or you'll be behind and die to the level 2 E - Yes you are everyones support, how is taking a jungle camp helping anyone but you though? Although i guess it does count as another red trinket kind of sort of, but your jungler needs this more for ganking and honestly you have no idea what route he is going to take. F - You're the support, you will most likely be underleveled more so than their jungler, you shouldn't be able to smite steal these things.

You are bronze and it hurts my head

Mister ModestyApr 7, 20161 votes

A- Executing minions is easier with Smite. Tribute allows an execution below 200/240/400 Health. Smite allows you to gain tribute when minions have 350+X per level Health. This means from the beginning, you can secure tribute much more easily.

B- Exhaust is great- I admit that. But, when I observe the trade-offs, Smite is a viable choice.

C- If I wanted, I could steal enemy Blue/Red buff. They've used their Smite on the first camp, so I can just wait for the Blue/Red to have low enough health. This seriously disrupts the enemy Jungle without having to interrupt the farming of your Jungler.

D- I am late to lane. However, my ADC always makes first minion wave, and doesn't have to share exp with me. As long as the ADC plays safely, s/he can level up swiftly. My ADC is 2 when I get to lane, enemies are 1 reaching 2. And Alistar is a good enough champ to survive one level difference. And I usually force the enemies out of lane soon enough to make up for experience. Especially because they exhaust themselves trying to take advantage of a low level support.

E- Raptors gives me vision denial. Wolves gives us vision- and that vision travels a set path regardless of whose smiting it. Krugs gives me the ability to land a stun every 5/6th AA which equals CC- good for support. Gromp gives a small reward to tanking, which helps in team fights.

F- I will steal enemy jungle buffs all game- the enemy Jungle won't be out levelling me once they start ganks and I know which camps are there to take. Once the enemy jungle gets to camps- I've already cleared them. Counter-jungling.. you say Junglers dont even do it anymore- which isnt entirely true, yet even if it was- then allowing the support to do it makes perfect sense. Counter play is an amazing tool.

HolowHall of HalApr 4, 20164 votes

So you stay in bronze because they take your gold?

Sorry

EmbertineApr 4, 20166 votes

Well you see, in order to get to gold you must EARN gold. Thus you must farm minions, however while playing support this is not an easy thing to do, and thus you have to rely upon item 3302 / item 3097 / item 3401 to kill minions without stealing them from your ADC and denying them gold. Which is also why ADCs rage over support getting kills. It's all a complicated mess of give and take when earning gold.

(But no I'm not in bronze because they take my gold, I'm in bronze for a variety of reasons. But me saying that I remembered I was in bronze, was me saying that I still have teammates that believe it's all about how they play and that any loss is everyone else's fault but their own.)

Earthlord JazzApr 4, 20161 votes

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Well you see, in order to get to gold you must EARN gold.

You, sir, are above the greatest minds of the 20th century. I would write more, but my mind is still reeling from this divine phrase. I will be stealing this from now on, hope you do not mind

EmbertineApr 5, 20161 votes

Take it! Take it and spread the glory of its knowledge to all you may come across in your travels!

Perhaps one day you shall inspire a young youth to do great things with the knowledge you bestow upon them. . . .

Supreme Senpai69Apr 8, 20161 votes

lol the guy he was replying to made the pun first, not sure why he got downvoted

EmbertineApr 8, 20161 votes

Because people thought he was being serious.

HolowHall of HalApr 7, 20162 votes

I just tried to make a very bad pun in a bad situation to make one damnit

Mister ModestyApr 4, 20162 votes

Tribute is a gold-income ability. Unless you want your support taking CS, let them make the most of Tribute. This also means you watch your Support- if blue orbs hover around them- they can take your CS- let them take Siege minions- you still get the gold. In a mathematical sense, "Team Gold" is best utilized when the Tribute is used on larger minions. You're multiplying the gold by 2, so it makes most sense to use it on more 'valuable' targets.

If the ADC is killing siege minions when the Support has a Tribute- then the ADC is stealing CS. Like I said- you don't want your support just killing minions for gold- it's a two-way street.