How I feel about Lee being picked 24/7

You've started ranting. You're doing the same thing everyone else does. You're only listing the things the champion can do whick is extremely unfair in Lee's case as he, as I stated before where you completely glossed over, he can do every thing well but he's not really good at anything.

And what I meant was that I don't think he really "isn't good at anything". I think he still does the job decently enough for what all he has. And I clearly said - if you think he's balanced like that and others should reach his level, it's fine with me, but it will shake the definitions of classes and will spawn annoyances - enjoy.

And about the ADCs you're glossing over it with quite a bit of bias. Firstly, you used champion GG which only uses platinum+ games. The page I sent you uses gold+ games. That page also showed instead of elise being the 3rd highest play rate jungler it's Yi with a 14% play rate and 2nd is graves with 15% playrate. Adding these together it is 14.7+15.8+37.7%=68.2% play rate which is a 18% difference from the 86% I gave you earlier. That's kind of a big gap.

Uhm, what? I used champion GG only for the Junglers fact, as you highly overrate relevancy of combined pickrate of top champs in certain role. The entire second part is from your source, that you provided. Also I am the biased one? I provided you with numbers from your source. You compare champion who is in spotlight 4 patches in row with Lee Sin who is in spotlight 22 patches in row. How is it bias? It's literal opposite. It's simple numbers and facts. Lee Sin holds high popularity for much longer so it's natural people will get annoyed by him more than by someone who is strong for cca 3 patches, then falls out of meta at least temporarily. That was the point. You wondered why are people bothered by Lee but not the thers. I provided you with the reason, with the fact Lee Sin tends to hold the popularity for much longer without nerfs so it's natural people will get tired of him. Am I tired of Lucian? Slightly. But I am pretty sure nerfs will come for him or his itemization (namely BotRK) within patch or two. If Lee Sin's nerfs would be planned to come they would come to interrupt that 22 patches popularity spree but they didn't come so I don't expect anything at this point, so knowing there is nothing to be done about Lee Sin, I will naturally be more bothered by him than someone like Lucian who jumps out and in the train of popuarity based on what on-hit shit becomes broken on him this time before it's nerfed.

Yet it is 1%-2% difference from what I provided. And it's not that big gap when you consider I only provided the stats to show combining pickrates like this barely prove anything.

The thing about Lucian you forgot when he's strong he's oppressive as most people say. THAT'S why he's nerfed. Lee is always balanced at 50% or less. Lucian goes over 50 however. Like he is right now, at 51%. There hasn't really been a 'Lee is Broken!' period in league but their have been with lucian.

They still have nearly the same pickrate and Lee Sin only slightly smaller winrate. Compare that to Ivern who has only around 8% pickrate but 6% more winrate and is currently being constantly nerfed. But 40% people picking Lee Sin and winning half the games is just as annoying as Lucian can be, except for, yet again, Lucian is nearly guaranteed to get nerfs, which is why he doesn't bother me as much as Lee Sin. From top 100 winrate champions/placements only 6 have outstanding pickrates: Ahri, Lucian, Lulu, Caitlyn, Lee Sin, Thresh. You claimed people mainlycomplain about Lee Sin.

Yet, Ahri is constantly being complained about due to her gank-immunity post-6, Lulu for being easy saver, Caitlyn for being overly safe. Lucian and Thresh are being less complained about. Yet again, people probably expect him to get nerfed more likely than the others. As for Thresh, I don't understand why there's not more hate, now and then someone mentoins how he's generalist and Lee Sin of Supports, CertainlyT critique is made about him but that's all.

These stats are not to prove these champs are OP, but they do too well for being so popular which is why they are annoying to people and why all of them get equal amount of hate. They usually take turns in circlejerk as for who is target of complaints but when it's Ahri week she's being criticized the same as Lee Sin.

Yeah this was the case when his play rate was 46% as well. This just shows people just like to play him dude. Probably that's why riot don't nerf the dude like they do lucian where his play rate spikes with winrate.

People like to play him and still win nearly half of the games, that is. But that's irrelevant. Yes, people like to play him which is why other people get tired of seeing him everywhere, which is the point of this entire topic. Just being tired of him. It's not our fault people like to fly around, having safe disengage on low CD, it's not our fault that after seeing him in most of games you kind of get annoyed.

Also I don't too much trust champion.gg because of the exclusion of stats to platinum+ and there are claims that their stat's aren't that accurate.

Facepalm. Just facepalm. Entire last paragraph used your source. The one you trust. I directly linked you to their image documentation where what I listed is proven. By your source. Just... Ah...

My argument here is that there is a bandwagon and people are being carried along by the large scale of its momentum. The problem with Lee Sin is that people are using him for upvote farm. Everyone just says how they are seeing him in every game, make some meme/joke about it then just cash in on those ever soul-currupting upvotes. The same thing happened with Cait where everyone just made post about her day and night just to get noticed. I mean really, why would you make a clone post of someone elses when you could simply just upvote theirs. It's the same thing with these 'unpopular opinion threads'. Now you have people trying to profit off the unpopular opinion threads.

And I fully agree with this. And as I stated, Lee Sin isn't the only victim of this. It's not just Cait and Lee. This happens to Lulu, this happens to Ahri. All of them having high success while having high pickrate. People see them every game, people get tired, people circlejerk. None of which is Lee Sin-only bussiness. So it's not the problem with Lee Sin.

This entire discussion began because you thought just because someone is tired of Lee Sin they want him gutted. Then you brought the fact people generally do want him gutted. To which two points:

1. He's not the only one, which by this time we both concluded and obviously agree with, it's problem with how upvote-whoring and circlejerk work
2. What's so bad that people want him gutted? When was last time he was nerfed and how strong was the nerf? Riot obviously doesn't listen. So evidently you don't need to be afraid, even despite the circlejerk, Riot commited no actions against Lee Sin, so the circlejerk doesn't seem to be hurting him in-game.

If the boards really hated Lee then they probably would be complaining about how Lee *Feels better than other junglers. I mean, I'm subscribed to a metaslave - pantsaredragon, and he doesn't play Lee Sin and he built redemption on hecarim when everyone was saying it was the most broken thing in league.

And I am watching IWD and he picks Lee Sin more often than I'd like on supposedly balanced champion. Though I am not sure whether he is Challenger right now - it's possible he's just abusing it for Diamond climbing. As for Dyrus games, I don't remember whether Lee Sin is frequent here.