My reaction to the Morde changes on the pbe

Malicious Metal·Nov 13, 2015·37 votes·2,956 views

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TaoistMasterNov 14, 201514 votes

+1 for Robin Williams.

RIP

MordepoolNov 14, 20158 votes

The Q and E changes were Community ideas.

M&M we hashed out the % Shield from E months ago.

The W changes seem out of context like its missing something.

But look at it this way. its The 1st time they have followed through with what they said they would do.

Shame on you guys he needs more work. And while it's in progress we should shell out as many ideas as Possible. Brainstorming Now is what Mordekaiser needs. Let's get to it

Edit wow I didn't see they removed ap from Q. Nvm. Guys get your pitchfork s

SpecterVonBarenNov 14, 20151 votes

As if his Q didn't deserve a nerf... I will never forget the time a Morde flash Q'd me under turret while I was at 90% health and one shot me.

MordepoolNov 14, 20152 votes

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As if his Q didn't deserve a nerf... I will never forget the time a Morde flash Q'd me under turret while I was at 90% health and one shot me

I'm sorry you're butthurt but nothing I said has anything to do with your hurt feelings

SpecterVonBarenNov 14, 20153 votes

? I'm saying removing the AP scaling, which you talked about, is a fair nerf, it means that particular ability won't get stronger for building AP so Morde players will have to choose whether to have a strong overall kit or a strong Q if they want to build AD or AP first.

Blue Moon WolfNov 14, 20152 votes

I think that's a fair assessment. Don't know what these changes will mean for for Solokaiser, but here's to hoping it all works out :p

Zair UmbrasNov 14, 20151 votes

He gets less from building AP, but now he can get AD items and still do the same damage he did with AP items, except with more incentive on building AD means he's going to shred turrets, dragons, barons, and squishies even more since they won't have the armor to stop his AA's while his Q is still doing about the same. His R would do a tiny bit less % health, but you usually die from a single Q.

Edit: FeralPony has actually made a post on M&M's post saying the ratio is actually supposed to be .6 on the first 2 hits, then 1.2 on the 3rd, meaning it'd total 2.4 AP. The numbers didn't go with the last PBE update, so it should be in on the next one.

MordepoolNov 14, 20151 votes

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He gets less from building AP, but now he can get AD items and still do the same damage he did with AP items, except with more incentive on building AD means he's going to shred turrets, dragons, barons, and squishies even more since they won't have the armor to stop his AA's while his Q is still doing about the same. His R would do a tiny bit less % health, but you usually die from a single Q.

All which could be avoided if they were smart and allowed his AA to add 50% of his AP damage to turrets. Which make him a true hybrid with an AP focus like he has been forever.
But hey its a Work in progress.

Zair UmbrasNov 14, 20151 votes

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All which could be avoided if they were smart and allowed his AA to add 50% of his AP damage to turrets. Which make him a true hybrid with an AP focus like he has been forever.
But hey its a Work in progress.

Eh. He's never been a 'hybrid', almost always been that hulking AP death machine who might have picked up a Gunblade prior to WotA getting CDR... but his remake gave him little incentive to buy anything with AD on it given nothing in his kit uses Lifesteal, it's all magic damage, and he can't crit, so a good chunk of items are near worthless on him given the fact he synergizes with absolutely none of the secondary stats on AD items. Hell, he can't even use Gunblade anymore now since his Q is counted as an AoE for balancing purposes.

MordepoolNov 14, 20151 votes

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Eh. He's never been a 'hybrid', almost always been that hulking AP death machine who might have picked up a Gunblade prior to WotA getting CDR... but his remake gave him little incentive to buy anything with AD on it given nothing in his kit uses Lifesteal, it's all magic damage, and he can't crit, so a good chunk of items are near worthless on him given the fact he synergizes with absolutely none of the secondary stats on AD items. Hell, he can't even use Gunblade anymore now since his Q is counted as an AoE for balancing purposes.

Ya I know AP is who he is but Riot said he would be more of a Hybrid bruiser.

You do highlight a very good point. Most items don't synergize with him. Rylais being the only obvious one. Steraks gage they tried it might work now Idk I think it's a wasted slot Tbh.

Zair UmbrasNov 14, 20151 votes

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Ya I know AP is who he is but Riot said he would be more of a Hybrid bruiser.

You do highlight a very good point. Most items don't synergize with him. Rylais being the only obvious one. Steraks gage they tried it might work now Idk I think it's a wasted slot Tbh.

Sterak's is better than any other AD item, really. Outside of a Trinity Force, which was more for the Sheen and speed boost than any of the stats, he really doesn't scale with -any- AD items. Pretty much every AD item is a wasted compared to an AP or tanky item since the AP items give damage plus a second effect. I mean, at best MAYBE an Essence Reaver JUST for the 30% CDR for the R and spamming E even harder, but that's still 20% crit that's wasted and the mana proc.

MordepoolNov 14, 20151 votes

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? I'm saying removing the AP scaling, which you talked about, is a fair nerf, it means that particular ability won't get stronger for building AP so Morde players will have to choose whether to have a strong overall kit or a strong Q if they want to build AD or AP first.

What your saying is. We have to choose between 1/4 of a champion or 3/4 of a champion

GaleoNov 14, 20151 votes

They nerfed his Q only slightly but shifted power from the third strike into the first and second.

Seems reasonable.

Also, the AP ratio on the PBE isn't intended, it seems it would be 0.6 on the first two strikes and 1.2 on the third, giving his q a 2.4AP ratio.

Only 0.2 lower than the current one.

Blue Moon WolfNov 14, 20152 votes

looks at notes ~~Riot~~ Waiter, there's too much AD in my hybrid. I specifically ordered a hybrid with extra AP .__.

BeatzBoyFTWNov 14, 20152 votes

When the new patch comes in:

Evelynn : Waiter, I would like an AP. Riot Waiter: Is Mana okay? Evelynn : .......

Evelynn W now costs 40 mana

Zair UmbrasNov 14, 20151 votes

180% AP reduction on the Q. I don't even anymore. Rylai's now only gives 80 damage if you land every Q compared to 260. That's some scary stuff. I guess Riot wants Morde to be like Corki where you build tons of AD to do magic damage? I guess it'd be okay if his R got an AD ratio too, but this just doesn't feel right.

Gentleman GemsNov 13, 20155 votes

Is it good, or bad?

Lord BoltrixNov 14, 20156 votes

They changed a few things, but once again they prove they have no idea what is wrong with Mordekaiser.

HelmightNov 14, 201520 votes

At this point, I'm inclined to believe that they know what's wrong with Morde, just don't want to fix it because it'd mean admitting that the rework was a failure.

NilokNov 16, 20151 votes

I like how no one plays him as an ADC now, even though it was the entire point of the rework.

ChaosThiefNov 14, 20152 votes

Base Attack Range lowered to 175 (down from 200) Mace of Spades [Q] - Major changes Now first two strikes deal 10/20/30/40/50 bonus magic damage (up from 4/8/12/16/20) The last strike deals 2 times more damage than previous strikes (from 4.0/5.063/6.25/7.56/9.0 of first strike) AD ratio increased to 0.5/0.6/0.7/0.8/0.9AD (up from 0.25/0.263/0.275/0.288/0.3AD) Harvesters of Sorrow [W] - Health stolen on reactivation changed to 40/95/120/145/200 (from 70/95/120/145/170) Syphon of Destruction [E] - Shield per enemy champion hit increased to 15/17.5/20/22.5/25% (up from 15% at all ranks)

...yeah...

Raid Boss MordeNov 14, 20152 votes

I would say bad. His Q is going to be doing a lot less damage with AP, but more damage with AD.

Old Q: 260 (+390% AD)(+260% AP)

~~New Q: 300 (+540% AD)(+120% AP)~~

~~They're basically saying, screw AP builds, even though he has all magic damage, and his Q, W, E, R, all scale off of AP, and his passive benefits off the magic damage he deals.~~

EDIT: Actually, his tooltip is wrong, and its dealing half the damage shown (just tested).

New damage is 200 (+360% AD) (+80% AP)... yup, BIG nerf! Gj riot!

GaleoNov 14, 20151 votes

Well, they stated they screwed up the Ap ratio on his q.

The actual total damage should be 200+3.9AD+2.4AP

Seems like only a minor nerf :9

kaltenashesNov 14, 20153 votes

My reaction when Quinn blind returned

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH... now could i have her ult back too or its too much to ask?

Blue Moon WolfNov 14, 20155 votes

Quin R renamed: ~~Tag Team~~ --> Behind enemy lines ...I think Riot just flipped you the bird :p

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kaltenashesNov 14, 20152 votes

i cried when i read the name change, at least name the ult Valor's Cab or Free Taxi Ride since this bad ult will stay item 3070 Quinn

LOL Nice Puns of Damage, tough

Zair UmbrasNov 14, 20151 votes

It... isn't a blind though. It's a sight reduction for 2s. A Graves W or Noc ult for 2s on people hit by her Q. Pretty insane....

kaltenashesNov 14, 20151 votes

something tells me its best we'll get and that Repetoir wants us crying to change it back to be an execute

Don't tell him teemo has blind... don't

Zair UmbrasNov 14, 20152 votes

Dear god... if Teemo's Blind worked like that... FML.

Before we know it, Lee Sin will have permanent Rek'Sai burrow.

kaltenashesNov 14, 20151 votes

i'm afraid he might Feel the urge and the need to change teemo's blind too.

"Oh c'mon an execute is better than blind, right? RIIIIIIIIGHTTT?"

oh goddess no, buff lee sin attack speed and energy regeneration plus change his passive to "blind people hear better" so your counter-jungling abilities are stronger

better delete this before it all comes true

DicersonNov 14, 20153 votes

Riot needs to get whoever is assigned to morde OFF THAT FUCKING TEAM and get an ENTIRELY new team onto morde. HAve them spend however long it will take to learn Morde and who he is, so that they can realize what wrongdoings have been done, and then make morde into what he is supposed to be.

a Magic Damage focused, AP Juggernaut* with centric Focus around causing suffering/pain, using it to sustain himself, and then enslaving his opponents. Right now, he is an AD building Magic Damage dealing Juggernaut with Centric focus on QQQ'ing and hoping to god he doesn't get kited to death.

*Juggernauts are (Generally) slow moving Tanks with high damage at close range.

LVL 5 PORONov 14, 20151 votes

Riot needs an entirely new balance team in general. All of them have their head up their ass.

The LovelessNov 14, 20152 votes

And then you see they buffed Zed.

Battlecast SonaNov 14, 20151 votes

CHANGE HIS Q.

The changes on the PBE are basically insulting - they left the main issue that I feel hurts Morde's kit (that stupid, stupid three hit Q) and changed everything else! Now you can max E for better shield regen or max Q to win your lane, and there's basically no in-between. Take some of his power budget out of that stupid Q, please. PLEASE. Thematically it doesn't fit, and it just doesn't work for Morde.

KeevalroyNov 14, 20151 votes

They still haven't removed the experience passive on his W. Holy hell Riot, no one but you wanted him in the bot lane so stop trying to delicately fix this. He doesn't belong there...please get him back to a solo lane where he belongs without the stupid dragon pet. The rework was a miserable failure, revert it and accept that it didn't work.

Zair UmbrasNov 14, 20151 votes

What... the... hell.... They're nerfing his AP ratio so hard on his Q. It isn't even going to be worth getting any AP other than a Rylai's now ffs. Total AP ratio is 80%, down from 260%. 180% OFF of his Q. Even if you went Trinity, Rylai's, and then pure tank, that's a loss of 180 base damage after he just lost 30 base damage from the loss of AP on Trinity and another 18 from the loss of 5 AD on Trinity.

I can understand nerfing him so his Q is less centered on 2 Q's on minions then flashing and Q'ing a squishy for an instagib, but dear god this is a HUGE nerf to make him gain more of his shield with his E when leveled AFTER they said they didn't want his E to be anything more than a shield generator ffs. MAKE UP YOUR MIND, RITO. E FOR DAMAGE OR Q FOR DAMAGE.