"I'm gonna go check the league boards, I haven't checked it in a while"

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To be fair, me, myself personally, only used that methodology in relation to the one OBJECTIVE component of this case. I didn't care at all about what people find acceptable as support play.

What I did care about was unfair and discriminatory treatment of an individual that would technically be illegal in any country on earth. Objectively speaking, there is a right and wrong that all players should be treated equally and fairly, and banning one person when millions have committed the same infraction is objectively wrong no matter how you slice it.

I'm happy he posted at all and owned and corrected the mistake. I would have preferred he do it here as well as there, but just that he did it at all goes to prove he's not a piece of garbage person, he's a well meaning and respectable individual with flaws and faults the same as any other and we probably were a bit overly harsh towards him. As usual, I suppose. Makes it tough to say I blame him for posting there rather than here.

Yeah I feel you.

Personally I was mostly on your side with the exception of draft pick being cancer. :P

I was mostly on the fence about the Nunu's thread. You and I both know he only called it support becuase thats what he queued for. In blind pick it would have been a duo jungle/dedicated counterjungler.

But I'm glad it's all under the bridge now. Hopefully this will die out faster than the Singed incident.

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Yeah I feel you.

Personally I was mostly on your side with the exception of draft pick being cancer. :P

That's a personal opinion with like 2% objectively quantifiable data regarding the effectiveness of both systems.

It's objectively clear players communicated better and more often in lobby prior to it. It's not at all clear how much that slightly better communication process is better or worse than what we have now.

Most of us in high level play don't care. We just do stuff for the good of the team more often than not and we usually always have. It makes role selection more relevent for the other 99% of the community who actually cares about it.

Minor aside: I had a game last season in diamond promos where I queued as jungle, got it, and got into lobby with a challenger smurf who was one tricking Yi. He held the lobby hostage and said "I'm only playing jungle". The team started to groan since that was my role. I looked him up, saw the 83% win rate over 300 games, and said "Damn right you're taking jungle. I want muh free win!". Game starts, we leash bot side, he invades enemy red buff camp, I see what he's doing and abandon ez to lane alone, invade with him, we first blood the enemy jg 3 seconds later. Steal his raptors. Both of us flash over the wall and 3v1 turret dive enemy mid laner for kill 2. Then me and yi go to enemy blu buff, find the enemy jungler and ice him again. Meanwhile ez some how gets a double kill bot lane. The game timer finally hits 3 minutes and our team has 5-0 lead. We steamroll the game. Ace the enemy team with a naked nexus, and then the yi backs instead of ending. We question why. He says "it's ranked, I don't have my 1v5 penta yet." We all sit there dumbfounded. Then the yi goes in literally 1v5 and penta'd the opposing team. Enemy nexus explodes. Whole team is laughing so hard we are crying.

Such is the difference between high level play and the 99%. We steal roles, we do silly things, we abandon lanes, we troll instead of ending, but we do it all for the good of the team.

I was mostly on the fence about the Nunu's thread. You and I both know he only called it support becuase thats what he queued for. In blind pick it would have been a duo jungle/dedicated counterjungler.

But I'm glad it's all under the bridge now. Hopefully this will die out faster than the Singed incident.

Indeed.