Community reaction to literally any and all changes Riot makes

Mira Arya Enthe·May 20, 2017·123 votes·3,454 views

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MarshbouyMay 20, 201725 votes

Is it just me or has it been getting worse recently? My theory is that more are picking the game up again since schools over soon/has ended.

"Nerf Lee Sin" "this nerf isn't enough" "change tanks" "no don't change tanks" etc etc.

MrBuffingtonMay 20, 201719 votes

I mean, it's progressively gotten worse since Boards was launched however many years ago. When it first came out, it was actually pretty pleasant; I was way more active back then. Nowadays I find myself typing out lengthy responses and then deleting them because I just don't feel like talking to anyone on here.

I think it's just a positive feedback loop, where people have learned that having more extreme opinions (to a degree) leads to more upvotes/visibility, which in turn fuels people's more extreme opinions. You can see similar things happening in the broader internet, and in modern political discourse. If nothing else, Boards is a pretty interesting ecosystem to study human behavior.

MarshbouyMay 20, 201714 votes

Nowadays I find myself typing out lengthy responses and then deleting them because I just don't feel like talking to anyone on here.

me. Why waste your time when you know the other person won't even read your comment.

MrBuffingtonMay 20, 201711 votes

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the other person won't even read your comment.

...and then will proceed to flame you regardless. Yep, lol

The Ender CobraMay 20, 201710 votes

It's because they brought back solo queue Lack of solo queue was the baby bottle. Riot takes away the bottle, everyone gets mad about anything they can find ######plants ######new client ######new rift herald

Troll for TrumpMay 20, 201711 votes

Plants didn't really add anything to the game. Them being there doesn't really detract from anything, besides maybe blast cone or scryer's bloom, but it was really superfluous.
New client is slower than old client. But it was necessary for a lot of changes; 10 bans being one of them, as well as practice mode.
Trying to change things, but not turning out the way things were planned. Happens a lot.

The Ender CobraMay 20, 20175 votes

Yeah, but also to comment on number 2. Riot wasn't lying. They said that this new client would allow them to make changes easier and faster, dark star thresh announcer, dark star singularity, missions, 10 bans, ping-muting, stuff is just coming out of the wood work. It's a little crazy

Troll for TrumpMay 20, 20174 votes

Yeah, I get that it sucks for toasters, but it's worth

The Ender CobraMay 20, 20178 votes

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AMYS GRAVEMay 20, 20176 votes

[plants] being there doesn't really detract from anything,

They removed camp smite rewards to add the system. They removed an entire (more interesting) mechanic from the game to include them.

ThefrostyvikingMay 20, 20172 votes

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Plants didn't really add anything to the game. Them being there doesn't really detract from anything, besides maybe blast cone or scryer's bloom, but it was really superfluous.

New client is slower than old client. But it was necessary for a lot of changes; 10 bans being one of them, as well as practice mode.

Trying to change things, but not turning out the way things were planned. Happens a lot.

Plants are quite amazing though?

Red cone for mobility to cross walls for some who can't do it usually. It's essentially an extra variable that can be played around with.

The blue one is a giant Ashe hawkshot that also reveals invisible units, priceless.

Honeyfruit is also very good when you need health and are close by a river, also good for ambushing your opponent when you know that they are thinking about going there.

Troll for TrumpMay 21, 20172 votes

Plants were really unnecessary.

You're right. The red cone adds an extra variable. Why do we need that variable? Not only that, it's essentially RNG based. Sometimes, you'll just happen to come across one and just pop it to escape what would've otherwise been a death. Or secure a death you shouldn't have secured. It's a variable, but it's not really one based on skill, rather than chance. Riot wanted plants to add an extra layer of depth to the jg, something that would require more skill. Plants don't do that.

The blue one is snowbally. You rarely can see the losing team use it, because (assume the enemy team is ahead):

The enemy team will ward the area nearby, so they can see you come
The enemy team has more map control. Because the scryer blooms are just past the river, chances are, if they took down even the outermost turret, they control the area with scryer blooms
Because of aforementioned map control, whenever you hit the bloom, you reveal your location. Not the best thing to do if you are behind.

Honeyfruit added sustain because some junglers needed sustain. Think about why they need the sustain. Many jglers were fine even before honeyfruits were a thing. The reason honeyfruits are pointless is because they are just used to counterbalance the tougher monster camps now. Camps aren't easier to clear, so honeyfruits and river scuttlers can be used as healing stations for many jglers. Rather than just making the camps easier to clear, allowing wider jungler champ diversity, they made it harder, adding another change instead of reverting a bad change.

Jet SettMay 20, 20173 votes

The problem with plants was that until the information that Smite now heals was out it was a huge nerf to the jungle.

teegoromMay 20, 201710 votes

It's almost like it's a community made up of millions of different humans with their own thoughts on the game and not some Hivemind you seem to want. XD

I Like Things May 20, 20175 votes

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It's almost like it's a community made up of millions of different humans with their own thoughts on the game and not some Hivemind you seem to want. XD

Shhhhh

######Mira doesn't like logic, only up votes.

AMYS GRAVEMay 20, 201716 votes

Community reaction to Riot making no changes at all

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Laughing FishMay 20, 201713 votes

Folks need to chill lol

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PaquayMay 20, 201713 votes

Sadly, this is so true.

Riot must have good flood insurance because the amount of tears that ensues whenever they post ANY update is absurd.

General Esdeath May 20, 20172 votes

Why do you think their building is tall?

PaquayMay 20, 20172 votes

But isn't saltwater corrosive to metals and other standard building materials?

Quick Rito! Increase insurance policy!

General Esdeath May 20, 20174 votes

Fresh tears = freshwater :^)

Velzard of KozMay 20, 20177 votes

While I agree I rolled my eyes when I saw five different topics all expressing how horrendous the idea is, I am equally starting to hate these "Community reaction" and "Boards in nutshell" topics. They are usually made by too self-confident people who think, in this case, complaining about something is only valid in case they are the ones complaining. Some of the topics are too harsh, some of them express how bad the idea in their opinion is. It's still feedback and people shouldn't need someone's royal permission to express their opinions. I swear I am starting to see more threads by "O', the enlightened elite of those of no mistake" complaining about complaints than the complaints itself. It goes in my bleh category right under people who say "Inb4 X mains come here to downvote this" while the topic states opinion that gets perodically upvoted. Going against circlejerk is begining to smell of circlejerk.

Mira Arya EntheMay 20, 20175 votes

Somebody has to call out bullshit. It's like if a zoo Animal was renamed and people started burning down buildings over it, somebody has to say "Uhm, stop acting like babies."

Dextix LTMay 20, 20175 votes

Yea, bullshit in your opinion, what i get from your post is that everything written on the boards should be ignored and no critique of Riot should be allowed ever.

SociopathFriendMay 20, 20173 votes

Said nobody.

Dextix LTMay 20, 20177 votes

Would actually be funny if it was in any way true, but hey, generalize more......

Mira Arya EntheMay 20, 20179 votes

Look on the front page and new page literally anytime any changes are announced.

LankPantsMay 20, 20176 votes

Then it gets flooded by people like you crying because other people hold opinions.

I'm sorry not all of us have our heads shoved as firmly in Riot's rectum as you do.

Mira Arya EntheMay 20, 201713 votes

Blowing literally every change made miles out of proportion is more than having an opinion. Especially when people see that popular opinion, mimick it for upvotes before it is debunked or drops out of favor. And flood the front pahe with 6 of yhe same shit.

I make complaints about things, Edge of Night, Jungle rework and Rift Herald for examples. But many boards members find it their duty to create a never ending conspiracy that Riot is out to ruin their game with everything they do. Just because it doesn't perfectly align with how they would design it.

LankPantsMay 20, 20174 votes

I'll give Riot credit when they make good changes. I've not seen good changes since season 5.

The way they have implemented 10 bans is fucking horrible. It was the worst possible choice, even adding 2 extra bans and extending ban time by 2 minutes would have been better than this.

Mira Arya EntheMay 20, 20179 votes

I've not seen good changes since season 5.

When I realize further conversation is pointless. Even some of the more extreme circlejerkers know Riot hasn't gone 2+ years without any good changes...

LankPantsMay 20, 20173 votes

Name what you believe to be good changes and I'll tell you why I think they're not.

I honestly belive that Riot is utterly incompetent, I can't remember the last good change they made. Even things which are "good" like the Shyvana/Amumu are really neutral and sideways.

There have been a few good changes though, they reverted Kog, partially reverted Mord and are partially reverting Malz. When they go back on their fuckups it's pretty good.

TeCoolMageMay 21, 20172 votes

Anivia, Xerath, Ashe, Amumu, MF, Veigar, Zed, Ziggs, Mundo changes. Bard release LeBlanc rework made her strong but I'd gladly take that over old LB Current maw, changes to AP itemization (not as bad as before, but still could improve), removal of Abyssal MR reduction, corrupting potion, Zhonya's dominates AP defensive itemization much less, tear changes, slightly better but still bad support itemization,

LankPantsMay 21, 20171 votes

Anivia

Can't even remember it, can't have been that important. The fact that I can't remember them means that it probably wasn't a complete fuckup, so I'll give Riot that.

Xerath

Season 3

Ashe

Season 5

Amumu

Don't care

MF

Season 5

Veigar

Unimportant

Zed

Was that even a change?

Ziggs

Probably one of the better recent changes, still meh as fuck

Mundo

I haven't seen a Mundo in the last 4 years. I legit would not even know.

Bard release

Season 5

changes to AP itemization

AP itemisation used to be way better back in early seasons.

removal of Abyssal MR reduction

That change didn't even do anything, it's use cases and output are basically the exact same, or at least were until it was made a tank item. Which was one of the better things about the tank update TBH.

corrupting potion

That was S4 or 5, can't remember of the top of my head

Zhonya's dominates AP defensive itemization much less,

Now defensive AP items just suck, or at least they did before BV. Still even with BV they have nothing close to the BS ADCs get RN.

much less, tear changes

Tear changes were net nothing. The regen and manacost reduction equal out unless you're Cho'gath or something.

slightly better but still bad support itemization

Redemption, every game, on both supports.

If you actually read my point it's basically that Riot overwhelmingly hasn't been making good choices since the end of S5

TeCoolMageMay 22, 20172 votes

Can't even remember it, can't have been that important. The fact that I can't remember them means that it probably wasn't a complete fuckup, so I'll give Riot that.

MYMU was one, her recent mini rework was another and it was pretty important.

Season 3

No, I mean his ult change in MYMU but that's mid S5

Don't care

That's your problem

Unimportant

Still better

Was that even a change?

I no longer see him every constantly (and he no longer focuses the AP as much) so it's a great change

AP itemisation used to be way better back in early seasons.

Zhonya's ring, DFG, Runeglaive, mana regen were all terrible things everyone except the people who used them constantly hated. Rylai's changes were also around mid S5 (if we're going by your new stance which you changed randomly) then nerfed S6 so that's an improvement from 'since the end of S5'

That change didn't even do anything, it's use cases and output are basically the exact same, or at least were until it was made a tank item. Which was one of the better things about the tank update TBH.

It stopped becoming a rush item for AP-AP matchups, no longer caused the ADC to explode from a sneeze, stacks better with MPen, became useful against late game tanks, AND it no longer forced the support to build Locket (which is now good for its own reasons)

Now defensive AP items just suck, or at least they did before BV. Still even with BV they have nothing close to the BS ADCs get RN.

AP defensive items used to be Zhonya's every game, and ADCs always had things like Mercurial.

Tear changes were net nothing. The regen and manacost reduction equal out unless you're Cho'gath or something.

Not true. Mana regen and mana cost reduction are more effective at completely different times. Mana regen just let mages never back late game as long as they kept their health up while mana cost reduction immediately benefits mages who get it early (allowing them to use a lot more spells before sitting at extremely low amounts of mana for a large amount of time). It means now mana reliant mages no longer back constantly early but aren't resource-less champions late game.

Redemption, every game, on both supports.

Right before the end of S5 Eye items were added. Before that it was sightstone + support item + vision ward + locket + nothing else but components, maybe 1 full item since you don't have enough gold. Now it's redemption + (sightstone + support item / eye) + vision ward + control ward + definitely 2 items like locket since there's a bunch of cheap support items, though they're still bad

Support quest thing gives more power too.

I've not seen good changes since season 5. since the end of S5

nice

Laxfan52May 20, 20177 votes

People: WE NEED 10 BANS

Rito: Here is 10 bans

People:THIS ISNT GOOD ENOUGH

Dextix LTMay 20, 20177 votes

Because that is not exactly what they got?

This is the current situation, instead of starwmanning look at what the complaints are about.

Customer : I want a sandwitch with cheese.

Seller: Here is your sandwitch with cheese and onions.

Customer: That is now what i asked for.

Mira Arya EntheMay 20, 20176 votes

Those are vastly different industries. Game development is the creation of entertainment and art. They aren't serving just you with a burger and fries. They are serving millions of people worldwide with vastly varying tastes and have to assess what system will bring the greatest customer satisfaction and spending across all players in all regions.

I like the new ban system I love how it was implemented. You aren't the only customer and even the entire boards are only a few thousand out of millions of customers. Riot isn't here to serve just you exactly as you demand to be served. And the loud minority of disatisfied customers are always the most publicly visible. It doesn't make them a majority.

Dextix LTMay 20, 20176 votes

I am not comparing industries, i am comparing what was asked with what was gotten. What was asked is simple, just 10 bans, a ban for every person. Thats it, nothing more, nothing less. That is what was asked for a long time.

Now we get a system, yes, it is ten bans, but not the system that people asked for. The original comment basically states that the boards are unhappy because they got what they asked, which is incorrect, because the people complaining because they did not get what they asked.

I like the new ban system, however i dislike how it was implemented with possible double bans of the same champion, which seems out of place for me.

Also, could you and the rest of the people stop using the "LOUD BOARDS MINORITY - IGNORE" "argument"? I got tired of that during the DQ incident already, it did not work then, it won't work now as an "argument".

P.S - I know Riot is not here to serve everyone how they want, that is however not my argument and has nothing to do with the argument i responded to. Could you please look at the context before going off onto something not even related to the comments? Or do you agree with the original comment that those people who are complaining now asked for exactly this system?

OMGSoAnnoyingMay 20, 20172 votes

What's that phrase again? Ah yes.

"Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it."

Personally, I'm fine with the new system. Taking a few minutes out of each champ select phase will speed up games for me, and at least now I'm guaranteed to get one ban in a given game. Nothing sucks more than being one of those first four picks and just wondering how hard you're gong to be countered without any agency.

JadMay 20, 20176 votes

Accurate. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Automated RivenMay 20, 20176 votes

I rarely get upset with changes that riot makes. You can go through my history of posting if your interested. That being said I legit hate the way that ten bans is being added to the game. I have posted that I dislike the premise and the execution. But for the most part I dont have a problem with the majority of changes that riot makes.

Mira Arya EntheMay 20, 20176 votes

The difference between you and other people is tone and frequency of complaints. Some people complain about literally everything Riot does and spams kneejerk reactions that are full of needless anger and salt. I saw your posts and you dod not match that description. This is a memes and game joke it is meant to generalize to the extreme. I make complaints myself we all do. My issue are the "Rito most incompetent company no good decisions since alpha gud ol times before they ruined the game just to make me mad" people.

You can see my views on 10 bans on my post about that. I like the way they implemented it, that said I have no problem with people disliking the method they used. I only have a problem with logging in to see 6 identical posts shrieking in the most QQ of tones about it.

Automated RivenMay 20, 20176 votes

I can see that. It also greatly annoys me when people start a pissing contest of who can BM/trashtalk riot more. Especially when I have played league for almost 7 years now and Its legit (for the most part) one of the most balanced games I have played on a patch to patch basis. There are always outliers but riot does a damn good job IMHO

Heretic LunariMay 20, 20175 votes

https://i.imgur.com/h4okq5M.gif?nodirect

Pandemic PunchMay 21, 20175 votes

That is also the Boards' reaction when you start spittin truth :D

rtbf221651412May 21, 20173 votes

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That is also the Boards' reaction when you start spittin truth :D

True story.

KeevalroyMay 20, 20174 votes

That's interesting, I see white knights doing that exact same thing when anyone has the audacity to criticize Daddy Riot.

TyrekGoldenspearMay 20, 20178 votes

You know what else is interesting? When chronic complainers like you throw around the term white knight as if it gives you any points in any discussion between you and people who disagree with your views.

KeevalroyMay 20, 20172 votes

Already offended?