When somone flames you in normals for trying a new champion
https://media.giphy.com/media/tLql6mMHC6wvK/giphy.gif So then what is normals for?
https://media.giphy.com/media/tLql6mMHC6wvK/giphy.gif So then what is normals for?
Some people prefer bots for trying out a new champion. Sometimes people play normals for just fun, not experimentation.
I mean I play normals for fun too, is trying a new champion not fun?
Not saying they were right. Just saying other reasons for normals or other areas to test champions.
I have no problem with people taking new champions in normals. I just hope you practice on bots before hand so you aren't blindly trying to figure things out while the guy laning against you using his main is laughing at how you can't trade with them even though you should be able to.
Upvoted to balance. I did that just today with jhin. It really does hinder the whole team if you don't get the slightest feel for the champ
I can't agree with that. Because if you learn the mechanics against someone who is using their main, you learn how to fight against champions at a severe handicap in that they aren't human.
A combo might work against bots, but be impractical against a human because who would fall for that? Your expectations of power from a champ are skewed because you jump from having the higher ground to the lower ground.
Yeah, you might get a loss, but you see all the intricacies of the scenarios brought along with the champion you play. Like Jhin for example, his plants do a shit load of damage, and they stack. The bots will walked onto them over and over if even attempt to bait them.
But a human might get hit once with that trick and just decide to walk away. Now you realize that you have to spread them out because vision and the slow are more important to an immobile carry.
Well, ill tell you this. If i could choose between a guy who has never played Yasuo in their life or the guy who played ATLEAST one bot game, im gonna take the bot game. Yes, bots arent optimal practice, but its SOMETHING. It gives you a basic idea of how the spells work and all the very very basic stuff. Also, when you go into the bot game typically youll find out how to build it and what to max before going in, so you dont have to add that to all the other crap youre doing. I swear, i see people on new champ release weeks sitting in fountain and i bet they are googling item builds every single time.
Nope. Refuse to play bots for any reason. I'm not gonna learn bad habits and docile fight techniques just to go to normals and learn that I have to learn the champ again cause I don't know how to farm against real harass. I'll never play bots first, and I'll never care if other people lose a game because I tried the champ out. Turns out that every single player on both teams in every game you play has fed to creation and back on champs their amazing with, so I'm allowed to not do good on one that I'm not good with yet. I installed league so that I could play it and have fun, not so that I can base my player experience around what might make my teammates throw a temper tantrum. I'm an adult, I can handle a loss, I'm not going to alter my play experience for people who are still maturing (yes, I'm including adults there too).
Please calm the flip down.
Nobody is making you play bots and you aren't going to learn bad habits playing against bots unless you actually try playing exactly like them.
Bots are like driving a car in an open lot. You have room to make mistakes so that you get the feel for the car you are driving before you take it out in actual traffic. That way you at least have the general idea down.
People are going to be upset when they think you are throwing/trolling. 0/6 at the 15 minute mark is just hard to look at even if you are just spectating. Nobody has fun throwing the match unless they are intentionally trolling.
Everyone has bad games. No way of hiding it and there is no way someone hasn't had it. However, blindly going into a game without the first idea of how the champion works could be considered throwing in itself because you have the ability to at least look that crap up.
An added note. Saying that you don't care if you feed and tilt your team is one of the most anti fun attitudes you could have. Some people actually need their teammates trying to enjoy the game. Imagine playing Football and the rest of your team only half assedly tries to help, putting no real effort into it resulting in the other guys getting an easy win. Nobody likes the feeling of being the only one trying.
"Refuse to play bots for any reason...I'm an adult" Huh? Refuse to play bots for any reason, why? Even if it's considered courteous to do so and take others' feelings into account? That's more adult than...Everything you just said, which is a rather childish mentality. That makes literally no sense. Disregarding the feelings of others and dismissing that they care at all is "adult"? That's seriously the exact opposite of the spirit of the word.
Nah, it's childish to get upset over the outcome of a free video game. It's childish to think that I should play bots when I don't want to just so I can make someone else happy. Have they ever considered that playing PvP makes me happy? No, because they are too busy being worried about their "win". I donate coloring books to the pediatric ward of my local hospital every single check so I'm gonna have to say that I do care about the feelings of others. I just don't care about the self-centered attitude of the players in this game. I listed my reasons for not wanting to play bots in my original comment. Had you read the content rather than picking out points that you can argue with then you'd have noticed that.
Here's a thought. All of the people who are worried about someone messing up their normal games should be the ones playing bots. If you get butthurt over the outcome of a game then you should be playing a game that's impossible to lose. After all, it's your issue, not mine.
No. It's this simple: Considering the feelings of well-intended others, universally, regardless of whether or not you approve of the context, is being an adult. Whether it's being courteous in a video game or to anyone else, consistent courtesy is what being an adult means. There is no room for debate on that fact.
Here, I'll make it easy for you. Regardless of what your opinon is of the mentality of an individual who doesn't care, it won't make that individual care about your opinion. Call it childish, call it mature, call it God, or even just a booty call. No matter what you want to call it, I will still play normals all I want. I will still never play bots. I will still never care.
This one will really ramp you ;) I have never, seriously never, played maokai in anything but a ranked game. Bought him, played my first game with him in ranked on a whim, won the game, have never played him outside of ranked since then. So no, I legitimately don't care if what I do is not approved. Honestly, you shouldn't either. Until the day that one of you comes to my house to personally complain about this, I will continue to not care. Considering that I have over a 50% win rate in every lobby I'm going to say that what I'm doing works just fine. Now you can feel free to respond all you want but at this point you've begun to bore me with the fact that you have not presented any new points to validate your stance. I refuse to play a stalemated game of chess, and that's what this is becoming. If you can come up with something interesting then I'll be back, otherwise I won't care to respond any more because, well, as I've said, you are no longer presenting a stimulating argument for your point.
Sidenote: You said "well-intended" others. Any of "well-intentions" won't be raging and upset that I tried a champ for the first time in an normals game which is what this is all about to begin with. You didn't mean to, but you totally contradicted yourself there. (money says that even after I point it out, you still won't see how it's contradictory)
When you're playing a new champion and go 0/15/2 cz you fed an enemy Fizz tons of times & forced your teammates to die 0.75secs later when facing Fizz, then no, it's not fun.
Good thing I could ultimately care less if my team is happy with my performance :)
Normals is the only place where you literally can not lose anything, and you gain IP completely regardless of how well you do.
If someone gets upset in Normals at you for trying someone or something new, well, they're playing in the wrong mode. I still think there should be a "pub mode" of sorts that is separate from Normal Draft because there's no truly casual mode, but since there isn't one, Normal Draft remains the most casual mode there is to just practice.
I always get mixed up because I almost exclusively play normals and I usually try out new champs in co-op or a custom AI game. It's weird because, for me, normal IS the game but for most people, normals are practice/throwaways and ranked is the game.
As a result, I never know how to react when people say stuff like, "relax it's norms" or "idc it's norms".
[zombie-nunu-bummed]
This is how things should be. Some people will just roll a random champ and feed. Ruins the game for everyone.
I always try new champs against bots. I also gave up on ranked last year. At least with norms feeders, losses are just one offs. Re-queue and move on after someone goes 0/15.
I really only play norms too, I still say "relax its norms."
As a mainly normal player, I can relate to your frustration.
I feel you. I understand its normals, but maybe i dont fucking want an AP Gangplank support on my team because it feels like such a waste of time when people make picks such as that.
It's easy to forget on the boards, which are skewed heavily in favor of ranked players (the ones who are likely to care the most about balance), but ranked players are actually the minority. On NA servers, there are roughly a million (as of this moment, exactly 1,016,437) accounts that are currently ranked (according to na.op.gg), with other servers in the mix there's about another 3-4 million (but I'm way too lazy to add it all up). Which gives, what, 5 million ranked accounts or so? Which sounds impressive, but the latest numbers I can find say League has some 90 million active users (probably more since this was like a year ago), which puts the ranked population at ~6-7% of the entire community.
I don't think it would be wrong to say that for the majority, or at least a very large chunk, of the population, normal queue IS the game. While it most definitely isn't the highest level of competition the game offers, it is still the most serious game mode for a lot of people. It's always a bummer when some guy who's a "first time x" feeds and loses the game for you then says "it's just normals", and while there is a grain of truth to what they say since you really don't lose anything quantifiable for losing a normal game, losing 20+ minutes of fun because of 'that guy' is never a good feeling for the other 4 people on the team who are just there trying to enjoy the game.
Wish I could upvote this 100 times.
Bots have nothing to do with learning how to play a champion in PvP. I can super-easily pentakill and win 1v5 Intermediate bots as freaking Jhin, but doesn't mean I can do the same in PvP.
If you're actually learning a champion for use in PvP, you, well, play PvP, and that's what Normals are for. But, for those people who first-time champs in Ranked (that Jhin surge on day one oh God), that is not the place to try new champs. It's why new champs are banned in Ranked so often, so others won't get any bright ideas.
In any case, Normals is the place for when you want to learn a champion, but don't feel confident enough to use them in Ranked.
I love people who waste 20 mins of my time.
Unless you're getting paid to play league... you're wasting your time regardless. It's not like that game you played as Riven is going viral or you're going to use it at a job interview... or to pick up girls at school. It's a game. It's what you do to waste time when you have too much of it.
Just because you aren't making actual money doesn't mean the time is wasted. As long as you get as many utils (an economics unit for happiness) out of the game as you would out of an equivalent amount of time doing something else then the time wasn't wasted.
The "not being paid for" argument is pure bullfertilizer. Time is even more precious than money or at least equal since "Time is money".
Um... that phrase means that your time could be spent making money. It's used in the context of a desire to NOT waste time, since your time is valuable... or in the context of something that will be time-consuming but profitable.
So yeah... league doesn't get you anything. It's a waste of your time. Yes, even that game you went 20/1 and hard carried.
Time spent gaming is not wasted because it's (should be) a relieve from the stress of everyday life. If a moron plays like he cares about nothing because "it's just a game" well:
Er, if you're doing something, whether or not it's a waste of time has literally nothing to do with whether or not you get money for it. That makes no sense. Getting paid to do something doesn't automatically make it a good thing, or time well spent.
I would be frightened by someone who believed that, actually. Recreation and enjoying hobbies are certainly not a waste of time, they're a necessary part of life.
This is why I always ask if anyone has a problem with me trying out a new/off meta champ pre game. Not fun to tilt people before the game even starts. Lately it's been support TF.
Well if you went 1/10 on a champ you don't know how to play in normals I don't get mad until you refuse to ff. Everyone has bad games, but you forcing me to stay 20 more minutes in a game where the enemies are fed out of control is unacceptable
All hail full AS assassin gem man
I agree but not 100%... Let me explain:
A couple of matches ago I had a Jhin going "Woah my screen just moved!" after he used his ultimate. This is too low understanding of your champion even for normals, at least try first a custom where you see what abilities do and if you can do some combos or how such combos work.
Yep... I got flamed at by a VERY immature Blitz player today for being "bad" at Diana jungle... a champ I never play and was trying to learn. He literally went on ALL game and had pithy comments for me every time I misplayed or missed a Q.
Especially hilarious thing was, I didn't even do poorly. I ended the game 2/0/2 and had more gold than anyone but the fed as hell adc. What is wrong with people man? I figure this guy just gets picked on a lot at school or something so he's lashing out. It was more sad than anything else.
Its pretty frustrating when you play normals on a regular basis on the first 2 weeks of a champ release. It gets to the point you just start dodging when you get Jhin top for the 3rd time in a day, since the other 2 go 0/6 in lane. I understand wanting to practice a champion, but i get REALLY tired of seeing it over and over and over and over again, especially when the champion is weak such as Illaoi and Jhin were, and still are. I dont even want to talk about release Kindred ultimates in her release week. [zombie-brand-facepalm]
Jhin isn't that weak
46% winrate in adc, 41% mid. Pretty awful. Like, why would you pick Jhin when things like Kogmaw, Ezreal, and Lucian exist? Hell, even Vayne is better then Jhin in terms of being a raw hypercarry. Hes just so subobptimal and then on top of it at all hes hard to play.
players haven't figured him out yet, he's kind of a supportive carry like Ashe, but with a lot more damage. His purpose is to lock down people for his team with W and Ult while being annoying to the enemy with his E. When there are no threats he can walk in and oneshot people. He needs a support like Braum, Naut, Morgana to get safely to mid-game, he can win lane but generally his laning isn't very strong.
He's not op, but can work well when player correctly.
The problem is most of the time he will ALWAYS be behind their carry in damage/items. Unless their bot lane is garbage, you aren't getting a kill until mid game and Jhin doesn't even get to an "ok" level of power until 2.5 items. I've played him a good amount (second highest played champ in ranked this season) and still believe he's not worth bringing to a team right now.
Picks are nice with the W, but it is very easy to miss when compared to a Jinx W (since Jhin's actually matches the animation of a very narrow line) and the traps are impossible to hit on someone that doesn't even pay attention and keeps walking. I'm not saying they should be guaranteed damage or anything, but you should have to pay attention to walking on a trap to avoid getting hit.
And don't even get me started on the ult. Still buggy as hell with framerate drops and people skipping around and honestly doesn't hit hard enough to justify using half the time. Later on in the game it hits......kind of hard, but it actually having %missing health damage on it would at least make it punishing for their tank to just shake off all 4 shots and barely move in health (try shooting past Malphite or Sion...doesn't work).
But my #1 change to Jhin that should've happened on release is make Dancing Grenade mark the enemy champion for W. It doesn't make sense for Morgana's puddle to mark people or any other arbitrary ability when my OWN abilities don't mark champions (except E).
If jhin has one of the supports I mentioned he can either farm safely or even kill someone. His W really strong when chain cc'd with something like Rammus' taunt/knockup, Morgana and any other snares/stuns.
I mostly use traps for the zoning and slow, in lane I place them behind me, near walls and in bushes, engaging/ganking me is a nightmare. Not to say that stepping on a trap with a support like Nami/Janna may get me a kill or flash.
I mostly use my ult to slow people. In fights the Adc usually has to wait for important cooldowns to get used before starting to deal damage, Jhin can stay away and ult, in a teamfight the enemies won't stand in a straight line behind the tank so you can almost always hit someone (and hit him hard).
I don't use my ult when nothing happens, it's too easy to dodge. Wait for a teamfight or a good spot where they can't move too much.
Better in normals then to pull that shit in ranked :/
Did this the other day trying shen out since his rework and the amount of toxic fumes that came out was enough to give me cancer.
I actually just gave someone grief for playing the new ww without a test drive in norms. He said he'd understand if it was a ranked game. He suggested I play a solo game instead vs a team game.
I don't think it's fair to waste 4 people's 20-50 minutes so you can try something fun. Go do a 10 min bot game. Do an ARAM. Ask if it's okay with everyone else. SOMEthing. The example above regarding Jhin, "oh my screen moved" is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
I'm not asking people to practice on bots to build skill. I'm asking for you to take a champ for a spin, and have a BASIC understanding of what your spells do.
A bot game is not too much to ask for.