Riot Rewarded me for Good Behavior...

Hyrum Graff··17 votes·2,046 views

By giving me an incentive to play teemo. The irony is real.

23 Comments

Lowvyr4 votes

I got that Underworld TwistedFate . Now I have a reason to learn him.

Please satan, stay outta my games while I learn this thing.

Hyrum Graff2 votes

######Maybe I will, or maybe I'll just be stealthed behind you...

Lt Cuddles1 votes

Rengar I see you...wretched creature...

Barbwired Mind3 votes

Remember riot explained that lollipops strikes fear in her foes? Well apparently now i do. Poppy

lightnig7893 votes

I got almost prom kingAmumu hes fun but I suck at him

FuzziestPickle3 votes

I got re-gifted amumu. I guess it's okay.

Byrnes2 votes

NO RIOT WHAT HAVE YOU DONE.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

MWAHAHAHAHA

Narasimha2 votes

I got Battlecast Alpha Skarner

So now I'm like ".....If this is payback for my comments during the Skarner rework, I salute your irony Rito."

Stray Kat1 votes

They gave me a Veigar skin(Curling). I never play him. So basically they gave me reason to I guess.. Not that I will probably, but I'll try him out finally at least.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

Veigar is great!

Tip from a friend who mained Veigar to D1: Don't cs with Q (except cannons), or you'll be OOM and zoned off your creep wave. Cs with autos and use Q to harass.

Stray Kat3 votes

But don't you basically NEED to CS with his Q in order to stack it? =\ I always thought that was his main gimmick, stacking that Q.

Zelnorack2 votes

He gains AP whenever he kills someone by any source by a passive on his Q.

So use the Q to harass and gain 2 per cannon, and once you reach 6, if they have 50% life or less, E,W,R,Q and you got yourself a kill.

Unless Zed. Zed will just shadow out.

Stray Kat1 votes

So basically stacking his Q on minions is just a noob trap, unless it's a cannon mini/super mini, OR you're about to back or something and can afford to waste the mana real quick?

The passive gain for any source is only on champions, right? Basically meaning that stacking his Q shouldn't be a huge priority, so much as a secondary objective, unlike Nasus?

Hyrum Graff1 votes

Think of it this way:

  • Veigar's Goal is to deal damage (duh).
  • You do that by getting AP and getting levels.
  • Most games, you won't get to full build
    • So the question is, how can you get the most AP and levels?

Veigar has two ways he gains AP with his passive:

  • If he lasthits a minion or monster with his Q, he gains 1 AP.
    • 2 AP if it's a cannon minion or large monster
  • If he kills an enemy champion with any source of damage, he gets 1 AP * level of Q (1 AP at Q lvl 1, 5 AP at Q lvl 5).

If Veigar focuses on farming his Q on minions, he can get, at max, 8 AP per wave (if it has a cannon minion). This costs a whopping 490 mana (lvl 3 Q)! That's pretty much his whole mana pool at lvl 5 (when he has q lvl 3).

If he uses those same 7 Q's on his opponent, he's just dealt 1,190 (+ 420% AP) damage to them.

If Veigar focuses on csing with his Q, he doesn't have a way to trade with his opponent. That means his opponent is going to be harassing him constantly, which means he's likely going to miss CS. It also means he'll be OOM, which means his opponent can easily shove the wave and force him to cs under tower. Csing under tower with veigar, when you're oom.... is not a fun time.

Since you're getting harassed and have no mana, you're going to need to go back more often. That means you'll be missing out on XP, and levels matter a LOT to veigar, because he relies on his stun, which scales well with levels, to lock his opponent down long enough to hit his W.

So basically, if your opponent is bad and is just letting you farm your Q without punishing you for it, sure, go ahead. But any time I see veigar use his Q on a minion, I go stand between him and his minion wave for the next 4 seconds, because I know I'll win any trade. Okay, that's a slight exaggeration, but Veigar isn't getting any cs during those 4 seconds, or he's losing a lot of hp to do so.

The 1 AP you get from stacking your Q is worth around 22 gold. A minion is worth around 22 gold. So if you miss 1 CS because you used your Q on a minion, you just broke even. If you miss 2 cs, you lost out. If you miss 1 cs but you took a lot of harass or lost a trade, you lost out. This is why you shouldn't cs with Q unless:

  1. You're going back soon and you can afford to get low or run yourself oom.
  2. You have teleport and you can afford to get low or run yourself oom.
  3. Your opponent is dumb and you can afford to get low or run yourself oom.
  4. Your team can stall until you reach full build, at which point you can't get more AP from items but you CAN get more AP from Q stacking.
Zelnorack1 votes

You neglected to mention that when Veig kills someone with the Q, he gains 1*Q level + 2.

It gives 1 AP when killing anything other than Large minions, large monsters, or champions, in which then the AP bonus is doubled.

It's worthwhile to try to kill a champion with a Q.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

Aye. (RIP) DFG-R-Q > DFG-Q-R

ClockHead1 votes

{quoted}

So basically stacking his Q on minions is just a noob trap, unless it's a cannon mini/super mini, OR you're about to back or something and can afford to waste the mana real quick?

The passive gain for any source is only on champions, right? Basically meaning that stacking his Q shouldn't be a huge priority, so much as a secondary objective, unlike Nasus?

Stacking his Q is his main priority until laning phase ends. It doesn't seem like much, but if all goes well in a game, you should have over 100 extra AP at 20 minutes. If it still doesn't seem like much, item 3089 will enhance it, and you'll have around 150 ap plus whatever items you have at the time. If you have this much ap at 20, nothing can stop you as long as you don't do anything stupid.

Wofye1 votes

I got Hyena WW...I don't even play WW... I don't even jg (I hate jungling)...and I hate ww

Pikmints1 votes

I got the cottontail skin...

exiledFromBadmen1 votes

Got Infernal Alistar...

TheSloppTaco

I got Blacksmith Poppy its a sign

Only Mid Veigar

Riot gave me Spooky Gangplank, then gave me a 66 game chat restriction.

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