When people get salty and tell me Morde takes no skill

Malicious Metal·Feb 28, 2016·97 votes·7,374 views

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Your sickness sustains me.

198 Comments

Big LincolnFeb 28, 201651 votes

"skillless champion"

said the annie

fractalfantasiesFeb 28, 20169 votes

Oh got I see this so much.

Annie mid spamming the chat about how the enemy Yas/Zed takes no skill.

You're playing Annie m8, the last of the noob champs left after the Garen, Ashe and Ryze reworks.

BLACK REALM GODFeb 28, 20166 votes

to be fair annie is wrong but so are you. zed and annie are fairly equal in difficulty. annie has a minion. you have your shadow. both require careful decision making in order to maximize their output as far as whether you should burn an ability or not and as far as starting stats and stat climb they're both about even at mid range difficulty. yasuo on the other hand... you should have just laughed and muted because yasuo is one of the hardest champs on the roster. hands down.

fractalfantasiesFeb 28, 20162 votes

I was playing ADC.

I didn't downvote you btw and I'm not sure why you were downvoted, in my opinion Yas is the hardest of them, followed by Zed then Annie, she has no skillshots and a free stun in her passive.

BLACK REALM GODFeb 28, 20163 votes

that skill shot zed has is a phasing skillshot that doesnt collide. it's not a true skill shot. while annie may have a tracking q and a free stun her stun requires a lot of effort on her part and her q isnt a safe bet. it's a lot shorter range than your average mage spell and grants little gain for successful initiation. she has to manage her cooldowns in such a way that it would put her on level equal to your energy management as zed in order for her to use said stun but her stun is only a 1.5 second stun roughly. annie is more about teaching bullies not to pick on little girls. do not under estimate her shield.

StealthWardenFeb 29, 20162 votes

wait...i mean it was funny at first, but youre serious arent you???[zombie-brand-facepalm]

BLACK REALM GODFeb 29, 20161 votes

yes i was. zed's skill shot is easy to land. it's like sivirs boomerang in comparison of width and range but a lot faster and doesnt return. nothing on his kit is too overly confusing. you buy damage and you kill. even his shadow clone is still effective if you dont use it for double casting because it helps you conserve energy and focus on your own game with a passive damage increase. one thing that puts him below annie is that his ultimate - his maximum damage potential - is a move that you just click and walk away from. there's very little you can do to stop it aside from buying zhonya. i believe the ease of difficulty may stem from his higher than average defensive stats for an assassin.

StealthWardenFeb 29, 20162 votes

Im sorry man...but if i hear the words "first time zed" im going to cringe and watch the noob feed. Ive been assailed by "first time annie" and it wasnt to long before he got his first ranked pentakill by accident...literally his cat made him press R and he got a penta....You can have your opinion, and thats fine, but even Riot says the skill required to play Zed successfully is higher than annie..they designed both champions with this intentionally.

is a move that you just click and walk away from.

his ultimate does ZERO damage if you click it and walk away...you have to deal damage during the time the mark is on somebody for it to be amplified.

PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 100% AD + 25 / 35 / 45% of damage dealt

so it does the equivalent of one auto attack if you "just walk away" after you mark somebody. How you can make your point with incorrect information?

there's very little you can do to stop it aside from buying zhonya

item 3140 This item literally turns his ult OFF. Zhonyas is not the only option.

Zed is a melee assassin. Most players don't know how to team fight with assassins correctly, which will add to his difficultly. EVERYONE knows how to find the elusive "R" button and press it where the enemy is standing...that's how you team fight with Annie...If that is "more difficult" than Zed, id like a glass of whatever your having.

BLACK REALM GODFeb 28, 20164 votes

I didn't downvote you btw and I'm not sure why you were downvoted

isnt it obvious? zed fanboys are getting butthurt that annie takes just as much skill as zed.

MhihnjFeb 28, 20167 votes

"no skill champ" - said the 0/12/0 Garen

HayRossFeb 28, 201624 votes

Garen item 3124 item 3083 item 3025 item 3748 item 3075 item 3512

I don't know what went wrong

DengedenFeb 28, 201636 votes

Out of mana

MhihnjFeb 28, 20168 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDxQ8VZtP2s

QwertywinnerFeb 28, 201622 votes

How to lay garen?

Velzard of KozFeb 28, 201629 votes

Garen Fear not. I'm cumming!

QwertywinnerFeb 28, 201612 votes

Oh god.

revliledpembrokeFeb 29, 201614 votes

{quoted}

Oh god.

-Katarina 2016

FaustavianFeb 28, 201613 votes

Katarina might have some tips on that.

HayRossFeb 28, 20166 votes

So replace the warmogs and thornmail with item 3004 and item 3174 , got it

Masterofchaos999Feb 28, 20166 votes

Clearly a troll, no item 3089

BLACK REALM GODFeb 28, 201628 votes

highest level learning curve champs - Anivia Azir Bard Cassiopeia Draven Ekko Elise Evelynn Ezreal Fiddlesticks Gangplank Gnar Heimerdinger Janna Kalista Karthus Kassadin Katarina Leblanc Nidalee Orianna Rengar Riven Rumble Shaco Swain Syndra TwistedFate Urgot Vayne Velkoz Viktor Xerath Yasuo Zac

if you play these champions then it's safe to say that you're NOT playing an easy champ. dont believe me then go try it yourself. most of these guys have either weird quirks that put them at a disadvantage (i.e. yasuo's ulti can only be used on airborne targets and karthus's passive encourages him to die) some have kits that build off of weird items and paths that prevent them from reaching max potential early on (viktors shop items rengars trophy items) or they may just have very difficult to land skill shots (yasuo's q xeraths r) whatever the case they all bring something unique to the game and i salute anyone who plays them effectively.

if these were the hard/very hard to learn champs mordekaiser would be a medium champ.

Chaos689Feb 28, 20163 votes

Rengar is prob on tier one or two of hardest chamsp to play...most likely one considering all the new rengars I see failign wiht him...yeah Took a huge amount of time to master. Darius maybe bc you have no idea how bad I am now, wiht only one month of no practice..D: The ult dmge is a huge part of it tho..

Sahn UzalFeb 28, 20162 votes

One could propably be succesful on Darius after 2 - 3 games... But when people dedicate time to master/ main him they make Darius an absolute monster, it's pretty awesome to watch a good Darius play! summoner 31

BLACK REALM GODFeb 28, 20163 votes

darius is actually a low skill level champ. im sorry to have to be the one to say it.

BLACK REALM GODFeb 28, 20163 votes

darius is actually an easy champ. rengar however is right there with all the hard/very hard champs. knowing when to go invisible, knowing who to farm for trophies, and just simply understanding that "oh dang i've been spotted" concept of hide and seek you're going to end up spending most of your time walking back to the bushes if you're just starting out with rengar.

Unstoppable MonkFeb 28, 201612 votes

Please, every champion takes time and experience to get optimal. Just because it takes some gimmick or heavy mechanics, doesn't mean its completely the highest skill learning curve.

A lot of it is decision making and quite honestly something that faceroll 2-shots, a slightly more APM ADC, or has a displacement isn't really the highest possible since there's easy game happenstances there outside of not being out of position. Optimal ADCing -is- already a curve, so they're all pretty much at the same level.

With all respects, I've cut your list to just 5 minus Orianna, because her image thing is broken so I replaced it with Ziggs for no reason.

Cassiopeia Azir Janna Ziggs Velkoz

BLACK REALM GODFeb 28, 20163 votes

are you saying that bard is easy? maybe you under rate yourself as a player. most adc's because of their simple mechanics (point click move follow up) require minimal skill to medium skill. the learning curve represents the kit's synergy with the game and sometimes things just dont add up to the standard buy damage if you want to do damage buy armor if you want to block damage system. it's not about the role you play because if it was then essentially balancing the game would be a lot easier done then said. you over exaggerate the average playerbase's ability to react or know the game well enough to react. yes every champ takes time, but the amount of time and the amount of individual talent required by a player is what makes the difference. you could not argue with anyone here that someone like miss fortune is hard to play or harder to play than any of those champs i mentioned. she is an adc is she not? even with including the meta's form for "optimal performance" you still have that same "optimal performance" requirement for every lane not just marksman bottom. with her kit all you need to know how to do is click and go. buying her items is as simple as buying anything that has damage+ if you forget to leave room for boots no worries because her passive will make up for that. if you forget to buy criticals no worries because her abilities passive will make up for that. it doesnt matter how good you are at aiming because all of her abilities are aoe's and tracking shots. you cant miss with her. her only skill requirement is that you know the rules of the game. not ALL marksmen are that easy and not all adc's are marksmen but if we're referring to what the current casual player base deems a "normal" game then you have a marksman who plays adc at bottom. vayne is another marksman who can play adc, but excels much more at being an assassin (what assassin? yes. assassin.) because of her extremely high damage and her ability to mini-dash go invisible and output MASSIVE amounts of damage to a single target. BUT because of her stipulations for her kit (i.e. needing terrain to stun slow movement speed and the general squishiness of her marksman class being intensified for her added damage) she is by far one of the hardest marksmen to learn and play regardless of where you put her. it's not about the role you play on the field. it's about how well you can maximize that role and what you have to do to maximize that role. all of which is based on the kit's gimmicks/mechanics so sorry you're wrong.

Unstoppable MonkFeb 28, 20166 votes

Are you trying to wall of text so hard I don't bother to read the whole rant and take my silence as victory or something?

I'm wrong, because ramble-about-things-about-the-game-we-already-know?

Bard isn't the highest of skill cap. While his ultimate is definitely something, you don't need to worry about missing a slowing autoattack and anyone with some kiting skill will find Bard's abilities to be good with his sustain. He doesn't have to worry about positioning as much because he can escape easily compared to other champions.

Vayne is basically a ranged tank killing stealth version of Master Yi instead of being untargetable, so as long as you time your buisness you're gonna be fine. BUT MAI E IS HIGH SKILL CAP HURD 2 PLAY?!?!?!? There is impassible terrain everywhere on the map and the fact that there's plenty of annoying Vayne mains in low elo proves that she really isn't the high skill cap champion people pretend her to be. Being clutch is just what an adc main does.

DengedenFeb 28, 20163 votes

Vayne since they're still low elo, doesn't it prove that Vayne is hard to master? :3

Unstoppable MonkFeb 28, 20163 votes

If hard-to-master was the term for skills needed to not dash into a melee; we'd have to put that on every ranged champion.

DengedenFeb 28, 20162 votes

As much as we joke about it, knowing when you can AA down a target and when you have to run from them can get pretty hard. Particularly if it isn't a 1v1 and you have to pay attention to who's getting focused...

Or maybe that's a combination of my wooden PC and lack of skill.

BLACK REALM GODFeb 28, 20164 votes

bard requires that you roam to be effective. he does NOT have many offensive abilities to save him or to grant him kills. that is why he can and does have a lot of escape potential. escape potential does not make you a good support and in fact does not make you a good member of the team at all. just because you get away from a fight doesnt mean you helped your team in any way shape or form his R does zero damage his E does zero damage his W does zero damage his Q is a skillshot that requires careful positioning, grace, and a bit of luck. if you refuse to roam and you refuse to collect chimes and you refuse to buy nashoors tooth because "IT ISNT A SUPPORT ITEM" you're going to have a bad day. on top of all of that bard has 5 different modifiers to his damage output and healing potential. you have AP HP AD CD and TIME. that easily puts him at the top of the list of hardest champs to play.

vayne is a hard champ to play. i already explained why she's hard. im not going to repeat myself. her abilities require close proximity. her damage output is affected by how many shots. she only does damage with her skillshot and basic attacks. master yi has heals and damage mitigation passive flat damage bonus movement speed and slow resist bonus cooldown reduction a multi hit tracking ability with untargetable higher base stats to armor. need i say more?

bet you get all your builds from other players huh? [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Unstoppable MonkFeb 28, 20163 votes

Supports are suppose to roam, Bard's experience from chimes makes him one of the most forgiving champions to roam on. Anyway, calling Bard not a good support (considering that it's a champion discussion) is silly.

He does plenty of damage, considering people who play BRAD like to say how stupid their damage is all the time.

doombotMECHAFeb 28, 20161 votes

the thing is, his damage takes more WORK than most any other damaging support, like say sona who builds sheen + doubles her damage. he also has a more complicated stacking mechanic that REQUIRES him to leave his adc alone for extended periods, so he has to rely on his adc not being a dumb. also, bard's abilities take real thought to make work. q needs careful angling or the stun fails, his w needs thought on both ends or the heal does nothing, his e has so more uses than a swiss army knife, and his r--like chronowhatever from dota--has great potential to make or break a teamfight

YCitizenSnipsYFeb 28, 20163 votes

Very much over rating Bard. The Q hit box is crazy and it will stick to just about anything after first contact. The ult is no different than a ziggs ult with how you aim it, no that hard to hit. The W is just something you place on the ground. And the stacking mechanic is literally just walking some where and collecting something.

Bard just seems like one of the champions on these boards that people love to circle jerk so they will tell people how hard he is to play so they can feel better about playing the champion. He isn't Garen but I would never put him in the same sentence as Azir or Syndra.

BLACK REALM GODFeb 28, 20162 votes

the fact that his hit box is crazy is all the more reason why it requires careful positioning. ziggs ulti does 1 thing - damage. bards does many things and knowing what is about to happen before you pop it is a much more difficult to make decision than "will i get the kill" imagine if you had to gather your spears as kalista in the forest by yourself.

he is actually harder than syndra to learn.

YCitizenSnipsYFeb 28, 20162 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Syndra http://champion.gg/champion/Bard

"he is actually harder than syndra to learn." Don't let facts get in your way.

No his ult doesn't do "many things." Its an AOE stasis, thats all it does. The only thing you have to know about it is that you can't use it on a tier two tower with a tier one still up. He isn't nearly as hard as everyone makes him out to be. Hell even Lulu has a lower win rate for inexperienced players.

BLACK REALM GODFeb 28, 20161 votes

saying aoe stasis is good and all but what does that mean to a new player. being that he's the first and only one with an aoe stasis and the closest thing you can compare it to is zhonya and wooglets - new players will be scratching their heads uncertain of the uses. i'll name 5 uses right now. 1 defending a low health ally 2 defending a turret 3 securing a kill 4 resetting cooldowns 5 turning a turret off. i thought of more, but there are 5. win rate doesnt determine difficulty learning. win rate determines how poorly the entire lulu team did. syndra is a more impactful champion than bard. this goes back to that comment i made earlier

escape potential does not make you a good support and in fact does not make you a good member of the team at all. just because you get away from a fight doesnt mean you helped your team in any way shape or form

just because lulu's been dying more doesnt mean she wasnt doing her job better.

YCitizenSnipsYFeb 28, 20161 votes

I mean feel free to keep coming up with what ever you can to make him difficult, but its just not the case. There is nothing deep and thought provoking about his kit. He has more tools to do things, doesn't mean they actually take any thought to use.

Like I said, you just want to feel better about playing bard by pretending he is this really hard champion to use. He isn't, very overrated.

BLACK REALM GODFeb 28, 20162 votes

you're welcome to your opinion however insulting and wrong it may be.

BladeSteelFeb 28, 20163 votes

well..looking at those websites you showed us it seems that bard is actually harder than syndra to learn. syndra players reach their "max" winrate at 50-125 games played. Bard doesn't reach his "max" winrate until after 125 games...so you just supported his theory...

HoodwinkFeb 28, 201628 votes

That blank green space is the hardest.

BLACK REALM GODFeb 28, 20164 votes

orianna? no. she's only about an upper medium to hard champ. honestly i probably shouldnt have put her on the list but knowing when and where to put your balls makes all the difference.

BladeSteelFeb 28, 201614 votes

he's saying he doesnt know what that one is...it was a joke...b/c all it shows is a blank green space...

ZorasamaFeb 28, 201612 votes

Actually, I play Swain a lot, and he's....pretty easy after 2-3 games. His hardest skill is W, and it's not that hard, really.

BLACK REALM GODFeb 28, 20163 votes

actually... what makes swain hard is his mobility is lacking his R is a constant drain of mana and his spells require careful consideration because they have short range. he's not a very hard champ but he's a hard champ for sure. you're either in or out with him on the battlefield. there is no maybe.

doombotMECHAFeb 28, 20161 votes

he's also another one of those champs that Kalista is nearly immune to... and if you tunnel vision with him then you can say goodbye to your mana bar

BLACK REALM GODFeb 28, 20162 votes

such is the case with many slow moving close ranged squishies.

BlitzidiousFeb 28, 20165 votes

I think it's the mana management that steers people away.

BlitzidiousFeb 28, 20161 votes

Yeah, Swain may have two point and click abilities, but have fun csing. (spoiler, you won't.) In all seriousness, he's probably on this list due to how heavily mana management effects him.