That feel when your support is actually doing more damage than you.

Knoyle·Mar 15, 2016·35 votes·3,488 views

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33 Comments

japan hate accMar 15, 20169 votes

And you're just like https://media.giphy.com/media/tpwwhv1BLd31e/giphy.gif

Why don't you carry then? (See what I did there? Carry? :D)

Ariel the CruelMar 15, 20166 votes

Illaoi Yo. Not only will I out-damage you with no items. With 2 items and a 6-man ult, I will penta them every time.

AstôlfoMar 15, 20163 votes

"No. Not only will I make entirely incorrect arguments, I will make extremely situational and rare situations to promote an argument that reveals just how biased I am every time."

Nice job there.

doombotMECHAMar 15, 20167 votes

jesus christ its hyperbole calm down

AstôlfoMar 15, 20162 votes

Yes but if you knew Ariel you'd also know it's mostly salty QQ.

KushDid420Mar 15, 20161 votes

Yes but if we knew you it's mostly aggression and saltiness toward anything or anyone you don't agree with.

AstôlfoMar 15, 20161 votes

Aggression? Maybe, more of bluntness. Saltiness? Not in the slightest. I'm pointing out the salt of others :)

Ariel the CruelMar 15, 20165 votes

Yes but if you knew Ariel

And you know me?

you'd also know it's mostly salty QQ.

It is?

Illaoi does a metric f+ck-ton of damage. But it's still grossly exaggerated for the sake of the joke.

Though I'm rather curious. Since you know me so well, what exactly am I salty about?

AstôlfoMar 15, 20161 votes

I mean, it's not that hard to get your viewpoint on this sort of matter. It just takes reading a few of your other posts. ;) Illaoi does do damage, but not without reason. She's either fed, ahead, or has items past said enemy laner if she's really any sort of significant figure. It's fairly obvious you were salty to even bother making the hyperbole in the first place, which, to point out, is typical of anyone QQing (they just love to overexaggerate then backtrack). So I just found it amusing, that's all ;)

Ariel the CruelMar 15, 20162 votes

Ok.... but what am I salty about? I'm really confused. Closest thing you might be picking up: I'm not overly happy how constrained supports are (the champions). But that is nothing specific to Illaoi. I never said Her damage wasn't justified. I consider her too strong on 3v3 because of how little room there is to maneuver around her. But that isn't a numbers issue either.

Illaoi specific complaints: I don't like that she can grab someone then walk away - preventing the victim from buying back their spirit while her team damages it. I also don't like that allies don't let you kill tentacles when you get debuffed. But riot recently addressed this one.

I haven't lost to an Illaoi in recent memory. I've stomped people with her a few times (mostly TT). I don't play ADC. I main support - most of which can CC/peel/kite her into irrelevance.

So I ask again. "What am I salty about?"

AstôlfoMar 15, 20161 votes

Well, maybe you could start by not phrasing your words/arguments in a way that's so obviously biased? She's specifically strong against groups, obviously, she'd have an advantage in a small space against said groups. And the 3v3 map is really cramped in the first place anyways just in general.

"can grab someone then walk away" Sort of how like every other CCer can just CC their enemy and then walk away and let their team do the damage? ._. Your second point, Riot addressed so yeah.

And people complain about Illaoi in low levels/ELO because they don't know how to deal with her and therefore "omg i lost to her therefore she's op"/"omg we grouped her and we died"/etc.

Ariel the CruelMar 16, 20161 votes

She's specifically strong against groups, obviously, she'd have an advantage in a small space against said groups. And the 3v3 map is really cramped in the first place anyways just in general.

Exactly. "I consider her too strong on 3v3 because of how little room there is to maneuver around her. But that isn't a numbers issue either." You can call it bias if you want. But if a champion has an advantage in small spaces, a map consisting entirely of small spaces would play to her strengths.

"can grab someone then walk away" Sort of how like every other CCer can just CC their enemy and then walk away and let their team do the damage? ._.

Illaoi's test of spirit doesn't work quite the same way as traditional CC. The spirit transfers a good chunk of damage to the victim then applies a debuff. The debuff applies a slow, indirectly empowers Illaoi (tentacle spawning), gives Illaoi's team psuedo-vision (tentacles are always visible in FoW), and applies poke pressure to the victim and nearby allies. The counter-play to test of spirit, is that you can damage Illaoi to prevent the debuff. The problem is: if you walk away, the debuff still applies. If Illaoi walks away or dies before taking enough damage [from the victim], the target's only recourse is to eat the debuff. Illaoi should share in some commitment to applying the debuff. But that simply isn't the case. Rather than being a target VS Illaoi or team VS team, it becomes Target VS Illaoi's team.

Make no mistake though. I'm not calling this niche scenario OP, or anything of the sort. It's an element of frustration. It's no different than when allies kept stealing tentacles, preventing victims from ever losing the debuff.

And people complain about Illaoi in low levels/ELO because they don't know how to deal with her and therefore "omg i lost to her therefore she's op"/"omg we grouped her and we died"/etc.

I'm..... Still confused. Is this an unrelated statement? Or are you saying this is QQ, because I'm low elo (which isn't necessarily true)? Because I stated quite clearly: "I haven't lost to an Illaoi in recent memory." I also stated that most of my champion roster doesn't have an issue with her.

AstôlfoMar 16, 20161 votes

3v3 strength is sort of like just Aurelion being decent on that long bridge map (forgot its name). Most people play Summoner's Rift though, so it's not really that big of a problem. And there's loads of other champions that are also good on 3v3 maps, general juggernauts being most common.

First off, against her E, I'd just suggest dodging it. Secondly, if you do get debuffed, yes, that means you took a fair bit of damage. But if you consider it. Any root/stun/snare when surrounded by said enemy team would probably result in you being killed before you can ever get away again. The amount of damage the Spirit reflects can never kill the original person unless their original body loses health first. So to be honest, I'd rather just pull away from it, or stay in positions where it's not optimal for her to use her E (if it's not at too bad of a cost to me - like losing CS/etc). Next off, the tentacles spawn every 10s iirc. They swing only one time by themselves, and after that, they require Illaoi's W again. The time for them to swing is relatively slow as well, so unless you're critically low in the first place, it shouldn't be a problem to just step back a bit away from Illaoi, dodge them when they swing, then kill them. With the new change that allies can help, debuffing really isn't that much of a problem. I see what you mean though. Fair enough, I concede.

And I wasn't talking about you at all, I was talking about the loads of others I see/read/etc whining about Illaoi. I know you don't have that big of a problem with her, and that's partially because you actually know how to counter her. Other people don't bother learning then whine when they play right into her strengths, then use that as a basis to call her OP and demand nerfs. That's what irritates me. :P

Supreme Senpai69Mar 15, 20164 votes

What? You mean supports are supposed to do less damage than their ADCs? http://puu.sh/nH2Ji/afae6cf22e.jpg I think I've been playing the wrong game :P

AstôlfoMar 15, 20161 votes

I mean those are more damaging supports.

Supreme Senpai69Mar 15, 20163 votes

Yea i was just joking around lol

LauchmelderMar 15, 20161 votes

"Support" games

ZydronMar 15, 201614 votes

Nice sightstone

Supreme Senpai69Mar 16, 20162 votes

You don't need a sightstone if you destroy their nexus.

/korean advice

TheGodAwfulUdyrMar 16, 20161 votes

Best bronze quote I've ever heard: "wards don't give combat stats"

Supreme Senpai69Mar 16, 20161 votes

Not only does vision win games, but sighstone gives HP. That's hilarious.

morris1Mar 15, 20168 votes

Hides KDA

Supreme Senpai69Mar 15, 20162 votes

This guy gets it

AírMar 15, 20163 votes

Morgana : item 2301 "Hi, guys. I'm going to support."

Morgana : item 3020 item 3157 item 3089 item 3001 item 3151

pentakill

Gamemaster AnthMar 15, 20161 votes

I'm kinda the same way with Sona...and only ONCE did I get a ADC that was being a dongblench about it.

(Haven't gotten a Penta, tho. Mind you, if I could penta with Sona, I'd go play Ranked.)

Samflash3Mar 16, 20161 votes

No Zhonyas?

AírMar 16, 20161 votes

shhhhhhh

Thund3r Ang3lMar 15, 20162 votes

AHAHHAHA You made my day sir.

ElishevaMar 15, 20161 votes

I support on Sion... This happens a lot. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

JorickMar 15, 20161 votes

I just played a game as Bard where I was doing that in lane. My Miss Fortune ADC ally would take maybe 5 shots to get them down to half health even with Thunderlord's Decree. I on the other hand only needed two attacks (one empowered with a meep) and Thunderlord's to chunk them down to half. It was glorious, the enemy bot lane (Karma and Graves) was so terrified of me that I was able to zone them all the way back to their tower by dancing around behind their minion wave.