When Shaco is expected to carry.

Knoyle·Apr 12, 2016·99 votes·3,789 views

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"I'm just tilting the enemy. Win your own shit!"

28 Comments

FortisDominusApr 12, 20163 votes

I had a shaco sit at my buff at lvl 2 and fuck with me for 5 minutes. I tilited SO hard because of that shit [zombie-nunu-bummed]

ShonjlApr 12, 20162 votes

This reminds me of a time when I went against a Shaco 2 times in a row. In the first game he literally fked me for the first 20 minutes to the point I was so irrelevant that it was 4v6 basically(People wasted stuff helping me when I was basically garbage) In the 2nd game, the Shaco kept trying to jump on me in jungle but kept dying, like not even 10 minutes into the game, I had like 5 kills all from Shaco failing so badly at ganking me in jungle. I decided to be bold that game and just stay in his jungle and he ended up ragequitting since he lost his early power, but now was scared to even enter his own jungle, every time he did, he got chunked hard and had to Q away to live. No xp or gold for him at all.

ChoaruApr 12, 20162 votes

It is all about that early pressure yo ;'D I managed to gank all three lanes under 15 min hue hushed That was a fun match must I add.

Mr FirmApr 12, 20162 votes

Shaco is the ultimate form of cheese, it's quite beautiful honestly. he needs warhammer as soon as possible though or else you dont do much damage, farm with him unless the enemy is dumb enough to extend with you in the game. punish that lane two times and they are too tilted to focus on winning the lane and your laner is far enough ahead to deal with them himself.

try AP JG shaco, probably just as terrifying as AD except doesnt scale nearly as well if the enemy team is stacking MR because at least with AD Shaco, you can build Black Cleaver

Maximum ZileanApr 12, 20161 votes

Is it even possible for Shaco to carry late game?

QjTHqo3RTqApr 12, 20162 votes

Think Panth, he's needs a lot of gold for some risky items, but if he does it, their adc will be tearing their hair out

crippler38Apr 12, 201624 votes

yes, shaco can kill people like a rengar late game only he can do it constantly, if you build him semi beefy you can also get the enemy to throw so much wasted crap at you only for you to pop away and kill the next squishy that it's hilarious. Fully built you could also run sated devourer on shaco and get the bonus from it being on your clone as well for double rage blade, and since shaco's e has a 100% ad and ap ratio it does monster damage. Boxes get a little useless later on except to die from aoe but if you can get them off that's a long fear plus at least 200 magic damage flying towards them. Shaco also can push hard and you cannot solo him with anyone but a hardcore duelist late game, all of whom he can escape from (assassins can't easily assassinate him because of the ultimate giving invuln frames and the q, plus any and all squishies will die instantly from his q>backstab>hydra>backstab>shiv +smite or ignite and thunderlords and they won't be able to do much.

Just by the sheer fact shaco can build any item in the game and he has a 20% damage bonus steroid in his kit, he can carry just fine. Especially if people don't remember that he's still an assassin with a 100% going to hit you 220% damage crit that can get a 20% damage bonus of its own, that combined with the ultimate and you can basically rush down squishies while your team engages (you'd be surprised how little people notice a shaco coming around in the chaos of a team fight, and even more by how many hit the clone on accident because it can block any skillshots that hit players) so yes shaco can carry late game there is just a condition.

Shaco needs to be at least even with the enemy come late game, without his items shaco is not going to assassinate anyone or do enough dps to be a threat. However if Shaco does meet these conditions he's practically impossible to kite because of his perma slow and passive, near impossible to duel thanks to red smite and his ultimate (plus he can chill while invis waiting for the time to backstab you while the clone smacks you a bit for free damage and he waits for cooldowns) and really hard to chase if he's smart thanks to jack in the boxes and his q being flash plus invisibility.

granted he has weaknesses, those being that his kit lacks aoe like most assassins and without items he's practically worthless because he scales so hard off of damage and his bases are really quite low the only easily confirmed ability he has is the shiv, and that's his only easily confirmed cc too so you have to be smart with it. Against any traditional assassin shaco has enough tools to deal with them because of his ultimate and q (as previously stated) smart use of his ultimate dodges 100% of all skills in the game due to it being both a champion and granting him 100% untargetability and invulnerability during its cast time. This means that he can splitpush rather easily because they'll need to send an actual duelist to take care of him and even then if anyone hits a shaco box late game that's him getting at least 2 free backstabs on you (the q is a free backstab and he's going to get at least 1 free hit in while you're on the box) meaning that's 2 hits from a full on assassin that are going to chunk you.

He counters: everyone depending on his build and positioning

His counters: pink wards in the middle of team fights lets your team play around him better, his ganks are great but his jungle clear is sub par unless he goes devourer meaning he's easy to counter jungle, and invading him early game basically means he loses that buff because you can pop the boxes then run away. Watching the mini map if shaco tries to play around in your jungle can lead to his death as well so pay attention.

Hope that helps answer your question.

EDIT: also unlike yi he can still build tank and do damage with an on hit build because of his ultimate, that applies all on hit effects including blade of the ruined king, rageblade, and sated. He's not as fast as yi but he can apply the damage just as fast with more unpredictability, of course his sustain in the fight is a touch lower.

OrangechrisyApr 12, 20162 votes

His e doesn't have a 100% ad scaling but late game it still does a lot of damage because it is good scaling. His jungle clear times are also very fast due to his boxes and his backstab, this is not a weakness. One of his biggest weaknesses has got to be the enemy grouping late game, if people group up he can only kill one if he's good, usually jumping in to a grouped up team will kill him quickly unless they are distracted.

Hope this helps a bit.

ViashinoWizardApr 12, 20161 votes

And if all else fails, he's really good at split-pushing.

BemaponApr 12, 20166 votes

His e has a 100% bonus ad scaling.

crippler38Apr 12, 20162 votes

killing one is generally all you need to do as an assassin but since shaco can afford to build at least maw and steraks he should be safe from burst using his ult for the 8 seconds until his q comes up if he's smart and engages second in a fight (let the rest of the team go in first since nobody will ever notice you coming in during a fight if you q smartly) and his boxes make his clear safe, not the fastest (I consider fast to be udyr shiv yi, champs that can AOE down camps in short time without the help of hydra)

but yes grouping is shaco's weakness like all assassins because his job is to just pop a squishy and hopefully live (kinda like talon and rengar) he can do this relatively well, but unless they nerfed it his e has a 100% bonus ad scaling (sorry too used to smite where the only scaling is from bonus ad, my mistake) which is still really really really good (plus it scales with his passive unless I'm retarded).

but anyway yes if the enemy is paying attention to where shaco is them grouping is dangerous just like any assassin that's why you should abuse shaco's ability to say 'F*ck terrain' and appear right on their squishies. A good example of this is shaclone who builds semi tanky quite a lot of the time since he can still assassinate most targets (some exceptions to every rule make it harder unless full build)

now granted I've always thought this about shaco since I played him a few years ago, but shaco you really don't master the champion you master how people around you react to him. You know master your enemy and all that nonsense, shaco with his ability to go wherever he wants rather freely (like fizz) can abuse this despite his simple kit rather well, if you've seen brickyorchid8's top 5 total dick jungler list shaco tops it because of the psychological warfare he inflicts. Which is why the nutter is my favorite in the game lol

but you are correct, sorry for the wall of text I just wanted to clarify a bit.

doombotMECHAApr 13, 20161 votes

yeah shaco benefits hugely from metagolem 2.0 also, shaco is a really technical character, kinda like gengar is in pokken. he isn't really that good at anything, but in return he is the pranking master. it's him.

Great OzymandiusApr 12, 20161 votes

His jungle clear times are also very fast due to his boxes and his backstab, this is not a weakness.

His level 1 clear if he properly sets up his boxes is the best in the game.

His subsequent clears are trash until he gets hydra (or similar aoe clearing items, like rageblade or runic echo).

One of his biggest weaknesses has got to be the enemy grouping late game, if people group up he can only kill one if he's good, usually jumping in to a grouped up team will kill him quickly unless they are distracted.

Grouping is not necessarily a problem for shaco. What shaco is terrible at is tower sieges.

If they enemy team puts don't pink wards, they hurt shaco but he can play around it by waiting for the fight to move away from the pink ward, as teamfights are rarely stationary, and any champion can have at most 2 pink wards in inventory, preventing them from putting down very many pinks.

ChoaruApr 12, 20163 votes

Ah...I wish I could throw this post in the faces of so many people right now ;-; Ty man <3

Lysdexic1Apr 12, 20161 votes

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granted he has weaknesses, those being that his kit lacks aoe like most assassins and without items he's practically worthless because he scales so hard off of damage and his bases are really quite low the only easily confirmed ability he has is the shiv, and that's his only easily confirmed cc too so you have to be smart with it. Against any traditional assassin shaco has enough tools to deal with them because of his ultimate and q (as previously stated) smart use of his ultimate dodges 100% of all skills in the game due to it being both a champion and granting him 100% untargetability and invulnerability during its cast time.

99%, zilean bombs still hit him.

crippler38Apr 12, 20161 votes

oh? oh right I forgot dots and things pre applied still work I'm pretty sure, nothing like an auto attack or cait ult or the like will work though during the cast animation.

so that's like 98% if you think about it, still a pretty dam good dodge chance

BârdApr 13, 20165 votes

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crippler38Apr 13, 20164 votes

shaco kills other people really fast really easy and in a really annoying way. He does this when they're even.

boom, 20 words. You're welcome

MhihnjApr 13, 20161 votes

"they're" is counted as a single word or two words?

crippler38Apr 13, 20161 votes

in this case one word because I was trying to shove it into 20 words, technically they're is just the shortened version of 'they are' buuuuut it's said like one word so forgive me

LoL Ergo UrgotApr 14, 20161 votes

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"they're" is counted as a single word or two words?

Look it up.

LoL Ergo UrgotApr 13, 20161 votes

I read the first sentence, this guy hasn't a clue what he is talking about.

crippler38Apr 13, 20161 votes

rengar kills people out of stealth without you knowing he is around shaco does the same. Rengar does it faster but shaco does something similar hence why I used rengar as an example. You ever get oneshot by a shaco lategame? or do it as shaco? or heck mid game even, it's funny since you can do it again in about 10 seconds, unlike rengar however it takes longer than half a second so there are of course pros and cons to each.

SlashStrikerApr 12, 20161 votes

I was doing really bad on lane couple of times but I ended up scoring triple kill with AP Shaco which is actually all about planning (kinda)

kaltenashesApr 12, 20161 votes

shaco carries by killing the carries time and time again, actually he kills them like 6 times and the beautiful Death Timer that got a reduction at 30 min (oohhh thnx for that... meanwhile games are over at 15-25 min tops) and that cc does the rest