we'd better be careful with all these yasuo threads
riot might take away 3 ad
riot might take away 3 ad
This is sadly true.
He has a more overloaded kit than Azir and hasn't received the "trash them and pretend we'll fix them later" treatment that Azir and Kalista have.
This is sadly true.
He has a more overloaded kit than Azir and hasn't received the "trash them and pretend we'll fix them later" treatment that Azir and Kalista have.
Yes, because I remember when Yasuo was warping competitive play by existing like those two.
Oh, wait, he hasn't.
Tangent: I find it funny how the biggest complaint about Yas is his windwall, yet Braum is probably one of the most beloved champions in the game with an even more cancerous iteration of it (30 mana is NOT a cost, lol)
Watch it bro.
You do NOT talk smack about Braum.
And it's fine for Braum becuase it fits his theme, and he can still be affected by the CC and a portion of the damage.
Yas fires and forgets.
Except braum is tanky and pretty much doesn't takes damage during it after 10 minutes. He can also protect his adc during it so you can't fight back neither.
Yasuo's windwall is strong, but braum's ability to move with it makes it much more powerful than people give it credit for.
Yes, but...
Braum can't solo kill you and your team, no matter how bad they are.
Yas can.
Yasuo doesn't bring instant CC nor tons of utillity neither. He brings some, but nowhere as near as Braum.
Braum's only instant CC is his ultimate. Yasuo has knockups for days and can hold his tornado for five years.
Also, he gets a shield from walking as if trying to get past his windwall wasn't hard enough.
Yes, there's counterplay, but he's still pretty obnoxious if you play any ranged champion.
Even then there is a delay in the form of his ult animation that you can flash away from.
Yas's flow meter is pretty obnoxious, but if he ever ventures top I have a little present for him whenever he gets close to CS.
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Immolate aura = Ez lane ez win ez lyfe.
Yes, there's counterplay, but he's still pretty obnoxious if you play any ranged champion.
God forbid Mages and ADC's feel what it's like to be any melee champion laning against ranged champs.
Yasuo is just symbolic of the melee vs. ranged problem and an example of how insanely overdesigned a melee champ needs to be to come anywhere close to competing with traditional ranged carries at all 3 stages of the game.
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Free is not a cost either. Plus Braum's shield has a smaller hitbox and only functions as damage reduction and not a full on removal since Braum still takes some damage.
Oh, and the most important thing, braum is not a fighter/assassin.
The smaller hitbox is irrelevant because he can cover more ground (side to side, back and foward) than Windwall. Braum can easily itemize for CDR (compared to Yas) to have it up more frequently, and worst of all, it also makes Namims ult irrelevant (like the #1 point brought up on boards when discussing windwall lol)
Braum takes damage but completely negates your intended target, and he's a tank - that's exactly what he wants to do; absorb damage.
Windwall being completely defensive spell literally goes against being an assassin, so I don't see how this is a benefit when his W could've been a more offensively geared spell to deal damage, lol.
I mean, it's ok for melees to have some survivability, I just want them to make his w similar to a Fiora parry. currently he can stand inside of his wall and become immune to all ranged autos and almost every ranged attack, plus he can hold his tornado for about 10 seconds and zone melees in lane. Twisted Fate got his card duration nerfed for this exact reason, yasuo should too.
The problem isn't really that he's op, it's that he's so annoying to play against that nobody can be bothered to deal with him.
Exactly! Man I want my sandman stronk again.
At least Azir dies to a sneeze unlike Yas.
Pretty false. If you say that you are ignoring season 5 where he was literally trash with legendary 43% winrates. It happened to him before.
"He's more overloaded than azir" From a "amount of stuff in kit" point of view, that is probably right (I'm not going to bother verifying it), but Yasuo doesn't posses hard engage, massive lane bullying, bullshit disengage that can only be blinked over, hyper scaling combined with siege potential with amazing range too.
Yasuo does have some of the above, but he doesn't manages to do everything to the point where Azir can do malphite's engage while also being able to posses janna levels of disengage combined with Renekton's lane bullying powers and vayne's hyperscaling ones.
{quoted} Yasuo doesn't posses hard engage,
Do you have minions and can you be affected by knockups? Yes? Ok, he has hard engage.
massive lane bullying,
Constant tornados being flung at you again and again and some nincompoop with a sword simply dashing up to you to repeatedly stab and harass you isn't bullying?
bullshit disengage that can only be blinked over,
That one he doesn't have. I'll give you that.
hyper scaling
Even when he isn't fed, if he gets Infinity Edge and Statikk Shiv, he all of a sudden is awarded 100% crit chance.
combined with siege potential with amazing range too.
Numerous defensive tools are at his disposal (like a shield and windwall) and, despite being melee, he has amazing range.
Yasuo does have some of the above, but he doesn't manages to do everything to the point where Azir can do malphite's engage
Dash in and spin around, getting half the team airborne, then ult them.
while also being able to posses janna levels of disengage
If there's something he can dash on, he can disengage harder than Janna with a shield from doing so, a windwall for blocking CC, and knockups to fling behind himself.
combined with Renekton's lane bullying powers
Renekton bullies by dashing in, applying hard CC, and whacking you repeatedly, that's also what Yasuo does.
and vayne's hyperscaling ones.
A fed Yasuo can 1v1 tanks, mind you that very few skirmishers are able to do that.
Face the facts, he's overloaded and he's gonna get nerfed big time.
I said Yasuo posses some of Azir's traits, but he doesn't posses nearly as many as azir.
"Yasuo has hard engage"
Not very true. Hard engage is like Malphite's Q or shurima shuffle. Aatrox Q if it wasn't easy as fuck to interrupt. His engage is extremely telegraphed (Directed by minions). It's very easy to CC him during it. He has engage as best, but it's much more of a follow up engage.
Yasuo doesn't posses massive lane bullying past level 1/2. I do agree his level 1-2 are too strong and it shouldn't be that way. His ability to trade isn't as amazing as people make it out. It's strong when it shouldn't be (early level 1-2), but the shield's flow comes back after around 15 seconds and his windwall cockblock has a huge downntime. Playing around them are perfectly possible. Outrading him doesn't causes him to heal back to near health neither (See, renekton and tryndamere) and he doesn't pokes you from bullshit ranges (Azir, Caitlyn) with you having no way to touch him.
Hyperscaling: He does, and I repeat, he posses some of Azir's traits, not all of them.
That Q range of 3 teemos is very high, can totally poke your ass down while you're under tower... No, not really. He doesn't siege. I also don't know why did you talk about windwall during this section.
Once again, Yasuo's E is extremely telegraphed and easy to predict. CCing him mid dash (not after it, he can windwall some of the cc that way) is very easy to do and his mechanics make him very predictable.
Except Yasuo isn't a statstick with sustain like renekton and he relies on minion positioning for a way out.
All fed skirmishers can 1v1 tanks. Your points above have logic backing them up, but not this one. Skirmishers are dpsers, they naturally are good 1v1ers. Any skirmisher can 1v1 a tank. Tanks aren't meant for 1v1s anyways.
Being overloaded alone isn't a justification for nerfs, and even if he did have too many strengths, he would certainly be abused by the lcs. He isn't beating the living fuck out of ranked Qs like kennen or Jayce (Irelia, yi, GP, hecarim earlier this season) neither. They should prolly nerf his windwall duration down (2.75-3 seconds I suggest) and tone his levels 1-2 down, but he doesn't needs any big nerfs.
This is sadly true.
He has a more overloaded kit than Azir and hasn't received the "trash them and pretend we'll fix them later" treatment that Azir and Kalista have.
Yasuo's kit is more overloaded than Azir's current kit. Azir lost a lot! Not just numbers nerfs (of which he's had his share). But also, he lost CDR -> AS conversion (replaced with simpler leveling up W), a champion knockup on his E, a tower nuke on his W, and like 5000 bugs, some of which were "valid" techniques (like infinite bouncing people up against walls). From a pure overload perspective, release Azir is the craziest thing Riot's put out.
Lmao Riot could remove all his abilities and you would still complain about him.
well I call him the cancerai for a reason.
I just hate playing against him. I always win because I've had to deal with him being pick banned as a mid main but god fucking damn do I hate that champion.
I mean, If he lost 5 ad he'd be completely gutted.