"Also, buy pink wards. This tip has little to do with Rengar, it's just good habits." From 6.2 notes

Monkey D Luffy··227 votes·6,571 views

http://oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-62-notes

Yeah just let me sell my infinity edge and buy a pink ward...

Seriously give us back that pink ward upgrade to the totem >:$

They made it so you can't buy pinks anymore late... And that red sweeper really isn't sufficient, the old fashioned "buy pinks" no longer works late anymore...

82 Comments

Crett82 votes

Pinks definitely need their own slot

rtbf221479703 votes

Or standard wards could counter stealth and only sweeper and pinks counter wards.

Ayame Isaki31 votes

So Akali and Eve are countered for free? No thanks.

SettDownShutUp3 votes

What if you could upgrade into a regular sight ward that pinged 'danger' when a nearby invisible champion passed through it's perimeter.

Sevixys2 votes

The problem is: you definitely Do know when vayne is Close to you while stealth (after all, her stealth is only for her q). But you can't target vayne properly without a Pink ward.

Azeria20116 votes

That would be the Mandrake ward that was mentioned in PBE early(mid-year?) last year and then never heard from again.

Owltears2 votes

The mandrake wards had a huge bug of if you placed them near the bot bush near the krugs (rock monsters) and then recalled and bought different ward or a sightstone you could place an UNLIMITED amount of wards all over the map, so long as the mandrake ward was not destroyed or timed out.

To my knowledge the bug hasn't been fixed and/or they stopped trying to fix it.

Abyssphere3 votes

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The mandrake wards had a huge bug of if you placed them near the bot bush near the krugs (rock monsters) and then recalled and bought different ward or a sightstone you could place an UNLIMITED amount of wards all over the map, so long as the mandrake ward was not destroyed or timed out.

To my knowledge the bug hasn't been fixed and/or they stopped trying to fix it.

The mandrake ward had a ton of bugs, but it was left unreleased in the end because they didn't think it was a good item, not because it was too hard to bugfix it. They didn't like that mandrake wards could alert you to the presence of enemy champions without you having to look at the map, because it made map awareness less important.

It probably had other problems regarding game design but that's one I remember them mentioning.

Azeria20112 votes

I know but that doesn't change that we haven't heard about them since. Especially since the Mandrake wards were a tentative change.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

Akali is already countered for free with red trinket since while you cannot auto her under it you can easily hit her with every skillshot in the book and see which way she is exiting the shroud thus still being free kills.

Ayame Isaki2 votes

There is a cost there. You can't place wards anymore. While I agree her W is too easily countered at least this is a trade off.

Monkey D Luffy1 votes

All i want is some kind of solution, I made this thread in hopes that a pink slot or some way to get pinks would be made accessible again, can only hope </3

Raven Redeemed2 votes

Yeah, I played a hr long game as Nami and decided to forgo a final item because we needed the pink for akali. That was a strange feeling.

Ziovi1 votes

Ok, let's say riot doesn't want us to have an extra slot only for pink wards for free... How about they give us the chance to give up on our trinket to be able to carry a pink ward in that slot? Or rather, they could just add a trinket which is basically a pink ward, but you have to spend 75 gold at base to recharge it (only 1 charge) and it counts for your pink ward limit. That way there is trade-off, since we give up on a useful trinket to be able to carry a pink around.

Sasogwa33 votes

Yup, I don't like the fact having 6 items effectively removes all counterplay to stealth champions, especially Vayne

NegusInParis8 votes

Atleast she is counterable by purchasing pink wards, unlike you-know-who

3ofGot40ve37 votes

unlike you-know-who

We don't speak of the terrorist cat around these parts either.

NegusInParis7 votes

My 4 team sacrificed themself for me... You-know-who only managed to leave a scar on my face.

3ofGot40ve8 votes

People recognize me in public as 'JONISEN22, THE MAN WHO LIVED THROUGH YOU-KNOW-WHO!'

NegusInParis10 votes

People thought he died that game, but they are wrong... He will come back!!!! In 23 seconds

Brascus19 votes

What about a pinkward slot?

Monkey D Luffy2 votes

Could work, the point of this thread is to raise the problem's visibility so so a solution is made (No pun intended xD )

Westonbirt7 votes

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Never forget

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ZT Xperimentor6 votes

Agreed, I used the pink totem more often than the regular because it was so handy; yet they continue to avoid to admit their mistake.

Paroe3 votes

If youre full build do you really need pinks? that far into the game youre either in your base defending against super push minions or doing that to your opponent.

CppL31 votes

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If youre full build do you really need pinks? that far into the game youre either in your base defending against super push minions or doing that to your opponent.

Have fun playing late game vs vayne without a pink ward...

Paroe2 votes

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Have fun playing late game vs vayne without a pink ward...

Ive got some bad news for ya...

... if youre getting caught out lategame for a vayne to do that, you have some serious problems that need to be addressed.

CppL19 votes

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Ive got some bad news for ya...

... if youre getting caught out lategame for a vayne to do that, you have some serious problems that need to be addressed.

Wth are you talking about?? you know he has stealth right? how you suppose to avoid getting cought by the champ who has stealth?...

Sir Yamazuki31 votes

{quoted}

Ive got some bad news for ya...

... if youre getting caught out lategame for a vayne to do that, you have some serious problems that need to be addressed.

Why are you assuming anyone is being caught? Are you even aware of what Vayne's ult even does? If someone is ever caught out she's not even using her stealth.

eaglei324 votes

It really isn't about getting caught out either all the time. In the middle of a fight, you want to be able to drop a pink ward so you can see champs like Akali, Vayne or Shaco.

HighH12 votes

Twitch Teemo

My Waifu Vanilla3 votes

Twitch should never be in range of the pink to begin with since he can stay at his nice 850 ult range which should be well out of range of your pink ward (either way he is most likely behind his team).

Ulquiorra99523 votes

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Ive got some bad news for ya...

... if Vayne player has R and Q keys on his keyboard late game, you have some serious problems that need to be addressed.

Yeah, we have serious problems. Them being lack of reliable counters to stealth.

GlockHammer2 votes

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Yeah, we have serious problems. Them being lack of reliable counters to stealth.

Ok, let's nerf the fk out of Eve, the only stealth champ that can't stay stealth while fighting, problem solved.

Xonra1 votes

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Have fun playing late game vs vayne without a pink ward...

Vayne, Rengar, Talon, Akali as soon as she gets her buffs that are incoming. There was no reason to remove the pink upgrade for the yellow trinket.

ForeverLaxx3 votes

The real problem with this philosophy is that Riot expects every player, including the support, to be six-slotted eventually so they have to be "balanced" with a full build. What this does is that it leaves no one with an open slot to carry any kind of counter-stealth measures. Since all mages and supports are designed with item scaling, that leaves fewer slots open for what you could call "pure utility" items. If these two classes had more upfront power with weaker scaling, they could afford to leave a slot or two open for wards or other utility and this wouldn't be the issue it is today.

Unfortunately, it's far too late for League to adopt this method as Riot would also have to go through the list of available items and rebalance/remove a lot of them. But this is the design of League, and we'll just have to deal with Riot trying to find an answer to a problem they created for themselves.

DEmperor953 votes

Wait games reach this late-game nowadays?

Slamurai Jack3 votes

How many games do supports honestly reach 6 items? Yes, it's a problem but one that comes up so rarely that I can't believe you guys complain about it so much. Especially when you consider you're also constantly complaining about how snowbally and short games are.

Monkey D Luffy5 votes

I personally don't complain about short games being an issue, I personally see them as the enemy team played it right so they were able to end, but on what you just said, just because a problem doesn't occur very often, does this mean it shouldn't be addressed? I can see where you're coming from though.

Dunkrius2g1 votes

Your name.... Damn

Monkey D Luffy2 votes

Some how this comment made me realize I have blue eyes IRl ( As in the eyes ) ... Okay that was random of me...

Ziovi3 votes

Ok, let's say riot doesn't want us to have an extra slot only for pink wards for free... How about you give us the chance to give up on our trinket to be able to carry a pink ward in that slot? Or rather, just add a trinket which is basically a pink ward, but you have to spend 75 gold at base to recharge it (only 1 charge) and it counts for your pink ward limit.

TotN Titan2 votes

What about using your sweeper to see the invisible Akalis and Vaynes in team fights? The thing lasts forever...

The Deckowner7 votes

it only shows the shadow of the person about 1 secons ago, doesnt actually give u vision!

Nunya Bezwacks6 votes

they are still untargetable for the duration of their stealth.

Raiyza2 votes

Rengar's ultimate needs a rework. Stealth is not something the "ultimate" hunter needs.

Maybe instead of stealth he gains the ability to jump over terrain a few times? That would pair well with movement speed and it would also fit his lion type theme.

Monkey D Luffy7 votes

This wasn't exactly mean to be a rengar thread, I was just quoting Riot telling us to buy pink wards when we can't even do that late anymore

MynadarxCZ2 votes

Well Twisted Fate counters stealth champs in late game TFs alright, but unfortunatly he gets stomped by all the fotm mid assassins so hard, he is not a viable pick nowdays :Z.

WarlockLaw1 votes

We really need a consumable slot fir issues like this. Also oracle's needs to come back, either lense or the pot

Monkey D Luffy1 votes

I'm kinda sad a riot member didn't reply with an answer... welp...

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