It's cool to see how many people agree with a post, but what about the people who don't? It makes me curious to be honest, same goes for downvoted posts but vice versa.
Here's an example taken from F.E.K that allows you to see it... http://i.imgur.com/U9dnWHA.png (upvotes green downvotes red)
link to f.e.k V (incase you were curious _ http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/3V6I7JvK_
YCitizenSnipsY23 votesHow about we get rid of the upvote system all together so actual discussions can take place here. It currently to easy to farm upvotes by talking about a hand full of topics over and over.
Monkey D Luffy1 votesThis was pretty much the old forums, forums were made relevant due to people frequently replying, but in any case since they're not gonna be doing that any time soon ( Probably... ) It'd be pretty cool to get this feature
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesold forums had up vote down vote still, only difference between them and these are the color scheme and default thread view.
Pawn of hearts1 votesyea no need for up vote or down vote
PaladinNO8 votesThe funny thing is, making a new post counts as +1 upvote in the Boards profile.
From 990 Lifetime Upvotes to 991 by writing this. Now that is an unhealthy upvote farming ability. Makes one wonder if anyone, presumably those with several thousand upvotes, have been exploiting this for a long time already.
YCitizenSnipsY5 votesWell Yeah, Laughing Fish for example doesn't even hide that he farms upvotes through posting memes. And i think that is exactly whats wrong with the system. Up vote/down vote doesn't equal a quality post, especially since just about every meme is guarenteed to hit 100 upvotes on these boards.
I mean just off the top of my head, complain about 
will all result in up votes. Complaining about how strong adc/assassins are and how weak mages/tanks are will get up votes. talking about how weak towers are and how bad the game snowballs will get up votes. And the best part is you don't need evidence outside of anecdotal to support any of these. Just make shit up and type out a paragraph about it and people will assume you are right and the up votes will start to snowball.
Basically the last thing up votes are is an indicator of the quality of threads. I think Riot could equally communicate with the community without the up vote mechanism, hell look how often you can find a red posting in a thread with single digit up votes and minimal replies.
IGotScuttleCrabs2 votesEven better? Suggest more than 3 bans. Always seems to reaches a couple hundred upvotes.
Shinjusuke1 votesIn the defense of an upvote system, the reason threads about broken champions "farm" upvotes is because whether Riot will admit it or not there is something fundamentally wrong with the design of those champions that causes complaint threads about them to "farm" upvotes.
Several of those champions have had people regularly complaining (and, while granted many are shitposts, some posts are in fact well thought out and empirical) since over half the lifetime (or more) of the game, or since the day they were put on the PBE, and Riot still refuses to acknowledge the characters have core design problems. To avoid the "X is OP plz nerf" discussion, I'm not going to name any of them.
Granted, a voting system where the balance and design teams don't give a crap about the opinions of their player-base (or at least, only when that player-base disagrees with them, Rioter's will happily talk at length if someone strokes their ego) is kind of a pointless system anyway.
I'm pretty sure the only reason the boards still exist is so when a new skin comes out Riot can re-affirm to themselves they're making the right calls while completely ignoring anything that looks like criticism. After all, why listen to the complaints of the mere mortals who buy your stuff and support your game when you don't think you have to any more?
YCitizenSnipsY3 votes"there is something fundamentally wrong with the design of those champions" Who told you this, the balance experts on the boards? Please link me the last time any big thread about balance changes were right.
Shinjusuke1 votesThis exact attitude is the entire reason why Riot thinks they're completely infallible with their decisions. There's always a few people who say "nobody on the boards could possibly be more correct about balance or design than the Riot teams are", and Riot takes that to mean "Welp, guess we never have to actually critically examine our decisions or mistakes".
Believe it or not, there are people who don't work at Riot who can perform basic math, reference gameplay experiences, provide analytical comparisons, and examine relations between the different mechanisms that bind together to make a champion. They don't have a monopoly on balance or design, and the fact they pretend it's some kind of elitist club where outside opinions are immediately less valid (and the fact that there are people who let them believe so) is a big issue with the balance and characters of League in general. At least in the past few years (once upon a time Riot was significantly more open to the thoughts of their community)
If large amounts of people complain about a champion for literally years (or as long as the champion has existed, for some of them) being unfair, there is a fundamental problem with that champion's design. That is just blatant fact. Champions should not cause an incredibly un-fun or unfair experience for the players who are playing against them, and any designer worth their salt would tell you that the player/opponent dynamic is a necessary consideration when introducing competitive elements to a game. Hell, Riot themselves have stated this exact same paradigm multiple times over.
The fact that they believe (or even they don't believe, their action support) it's okay to not critically examine or redesign characters who fail to create a fair experience for both sides of interactions with that character is both a problem and a failing by Riot as designers. Even more unfortunate is their stark refusal to accept that maybe a couple people working on a balance team saying "nahhhhhh X champ is fine" is not always more credible than extensive, mass opinions of many players who disagree. The "idiot masses" aren't always right by any means to be sure, but when it comes to Riot their actions when it comes to reworks and balancing seem to reflect they have the belief "We at Riot are the only ones brilliant and infallible enough to understand our own game", which is simply not true.
If a character is regularly complained about as being unfair by a large amount of players, in some cases for several years and in other cases as long as the character has been released, there is a problem with the character. No matter how many of that character's fans insist it's fine, or how much the developer blatantly favors them.
YCitizenSnipsY4 votesPeople always complain about champions, doesn't make them right or make a champion toxic.
"Believe it or not, there are people who don't work at Riot who can perform basic math, reference gameplay experiences, provide analytical comparisons, and examine relations between the different mechanisms that bind together to make a champion" Your right there just not on these boards. As I said show me one popular thread about a major balance change that turned out to be true.
Did the AP itemization break dot mages? No. Did the armor changes nerf tanks? No. Were the Fiora and Gangplank reworks failures? No. Did the Juggernaut changes make them all weaker? No. Did the ADC changes break the entire marksmen class and AD assassins? No.
boy these boards aren't batting to well so far, and as expected there are already people speculating hat the mage update will fail. And I'm gonna laugh when the exact opposite happens and the champs turn out strong.
"If a character is regularly complained about as being unfair by a large amount of players" "Popular" post on these boards get a couple hundred replies at most, that a drop in the ocean compared to whole player base buddy.
The Governer1 votesTo be fair, AP itemization still needs a rework because of various issues (such as CDR being more readily attainable by AD champions than AP champions, etc...).
Armor changes are both a buff and a nerf to tanks (Last Whisper rework was a buff, whilst armor items were nerfed).
Fiora's and Gangplank's reworks aren't failures but they do not fare well either. Gangplank, especially, has experienced (experimental) changes over the pre-season, further proving this. They are epitomes of good reworks, but they are/were overtuned.
Can't debate your last 2 points.
The one thing I don't like about the Boards is that they always make claims aggressively and think that they are absolutely entitled so their opinions shall not be judged. Let's be real, they are not balance experts and they know nothing about statistics as an academic field. Me neither, but at least I won't claim my opinions are 100% correct. My opinions are subject to debate and corrections, and theirs are apparently not, lol.
The Governer1 votesIf a character is regularly complained about as being unfair by a large amount of players, in some cases for several years and in other cases as long as the character has been released, there is a problem with the character. No matter how many of that character's fans insist it's fine, or how much the developer blatantly favors them.
If a character is regularly complained, it can mean a majority of players, who are mostly in Bronze and Silver, dislike playing against this certain character. It doesn't mean a character is not fine. A prime example would be Katarina, who is constantly complained by a majority of low elo players. Does that mean Katarina lacks counterplay, or is overtuned or overpowered? No. She is a pub stomper in low elo because she punishes mistakes hard. That's why many people hate her.
Balance changes should also take low elo players into account, but accepting low elo players' opinions as if they are the guidelines of balance changes is just not right.
SoMNia1 votesBelieve it or not, there are people who don't work at Riot who can perform basic math
Yes, there are. And those people are not currently complaining about Fiora's juggernaut build, for example. Nor did they scream that they sky is falling every time there was a major itemization change. If it were really the case that most people could see most problems clearly, most problems wouldn't exist. Riot employees can make mistakes, but a choice being unpopular does not prove that it is a mistake. Popular opinion is not and has never been evidence, and it often persists in the face of evidence against it.
And then you have to realize that what looks like popular opinion here is often anything but that in the larger LoL community. A few hundred people making false claims with flawed evidence doesn't mean anything, even if they do it for years. Dominant topics in a community where people only come to complain or spam memes do not indicate that there is or isn't a problem with overall player experience.
Furthermore, if you think that working on a balance team consists of nothing more than standing around making flippant comments like "nahhhhhh X champ is fine", and that hobbyists are more diligent than professionals as a matter of course just because you are able to directly observe the hobbyists' efforts, you are gravely mistaken and committing a great insult. The balance team does not actually owe League players any more transparency than they deem to offer. And while transparency might be prudent in fostering goodwill in the community, they are not required to walk you or anyone else through every step of their thought process, nor are they required to take the time to publicly refute every specious claim that crawls out of the depths of somebody's ill-conceived anecdote. Their job is to balance the game, not argue about it.
Mecha MaIphite11 votespretty inefficient way to farm upvotes though
one cleverly worded circlejerk thread is the equivalent of a week's worth of posting random stuff
PaladinNO1 votesYou think? Gotta make this post just to get myself to 1k upvotes now. Every little bit counts, you know. ;) Also, so none others steals that honor, ofc. xD
Got to add something to make it worthwhile too, obviously:
http://i.imgur.com/3VUrT7n.png
It was the latest version I could find.
Roseluck2 votesThe problem with "upvotes" is that it creates a hivemind mentality, where only the general opinion of the board can participate. Arguementation and discussion is cast aside and the one with the most "upvotes"(the most popular opinion) is the winner. If they removed that it would allow much more proper discussion to take place, as well as unpopular opinions.
MeleeNuke1 votesThe boards hates me. Every post I make involves new ideas. Every single time it gets downvoted to hell. I just wish there was a place where I can express my ideas without being instantly downvoted. Tell me I'm not the only one who struggles with this.
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesLike I said, the main people on the boards hate discussions. They want circlejerks and everyone to agree so that the popular opinion is always right. I don't see how this upvote/downvote system actually accomplishes anything becasue reds hardly ever respond to the biggest thread and almost always can be found in thread with much less traffic.
I understand. Just about anytime I go into a thread and state the opposite of the popular opinion, you know how a discussion is supposed to work with two different viewpoints, I'm always downvoted to hell because of it. And when ever you have alot of downvotes people just automatically assume you're wrong no matter how much reason you use.
Supreme Senpai691 votesPeople downvote things in threads to boost their ideas to the top. And if you have one downvote, it snowballs from there into several dozen downvotes from people who don't even read it.
EverTokki3 votesI wanted to upvote this but couldn't because it was at 74 upvotes..
Monkey D Luffy3 votesThe beautiful synergy 
SoundChaosDebug2 votesFirst the boards turned into reddit, now we want yt style for thumbs up or down
Jasiwel2 votesThe reason why is because most downvotes have become "I disagree" rather than the intended purpose of "Does not contribute to a discussion." Downvoting was not intended to be used as it is universally now and it's worse as a result of lurkers not even contributing to the threads.
Sir Yamazuki2 votesThe reason why is because most downvotes have become "I disagree" rather than the intended purpose of "Does not contribute to a discussion." Downvoting was not intended to be used as it is universally now and it's worse as a result of lurkers not even contributing to the threads.
Upvotes are used for the same thing but for the opposite. You could post a ton of low quality posts and still be upvoted as long as it aligns with what ever the boards circle jerk over, you could even flat out be lying and posting something completely inaccurate and still be upvoted if it aligned with the circle jerk.
Jasiwel2 votesThat's definitely plausible, but I find there is a difference between upvoting intentions and downvoting intentions. Even if a thread's OP is just upvote farming, the topic they're posting can still contribute. Furthermore, the entire point of the Upvote is to basically say "I agree and couldn't say it better." If you disagree, then audibly disagree with something that contributes to the conversation.
Dowvoting was made to replace flagging, or rather, to provide a new way of taking out posts that did not contribute, but technically followed the guidelines. For example, typing "I disagree, you're wrong" then not explaining anything simply does not contribute to a discussion.
The intention of downvoting has become "I disagree, you're wrong" which is definitely a greater issue than Upvote-farmers. Entire threads become sunk due to that mentality, entirely valid points become moot purely because of downvotes, and in reality that is how most bandwagons become evident.
PePsiLemoNN2 votesEveryone would just get mad cause every thread gets a few downvotes in the first minutes for whatever reason :P trust me
disregardable1 votesThey're not currently developing any new features for the boards. The team that would do it is working on the new client.
Monkey D Luffy1 votesI guess it still wouldn't hurt to get visibility so if they do update the boards this could be a thing :o
Ashenvall1 votesyeah
DeynaTaggerung1 votesHow about Riot just hires Tundra Fizz to redo the boards for them and make FEK official :P
Monkey D Luffy1 votesThat'd never happen but how cool would that be ^^
Tundra Fizz1 votesHow about Riot just hires Tundra Fizz to redo the boards for them and make FEK official :P
:^)
As for why that feature isn't actually in fek yet, is because I've been working on the private messaging system among other things as well as work.
Penta Penguin1 votes"agree"
Actually, the karma system is supposed to be used to indicate posts that contribute to the discussion and are not off-topic or spam. It is not supposed to be an opinion ballot. But good luck convincing anyone of that
Womp1231 votesI mean...I don't see a difference either way. Seeing just upvotes works for me. I guess if you could see the downvotes, not as many peeps would go to that discussion so that could be a plus. But I don't think there would be a particularly big impact either way.
PickleBabah1 votesIdk man, if there were 10 upvotes with no downvotes on an unpopular post, it would be due to a different reason than a post with 20 upvotes with 10 downvotes _ (resulting in 10 for the non-math savvy) _. Anyway, I guess it would just make it easier to see how many people agreed vs disagreed rather than just the grand total
Womp1231 votesI understand ur point. That could be useful in that sense. May help in filtering out some discussions. But I mean people are still upvoting and downvoting so the same number of up/downvotes shown remains the same. Idk I guess there are pros and cons to it as always haha.
AATTRROOXX1 votesNot upvoting because you have 74 upvotes like your picture, and I really hope exactly 9 people downvoted.
Monkey D Luffy1 votes
TurquoiseYoshi1 votesYeah, I would prefer this. I've always wanted to know if some of these really dumb threads are actually popular opinions or just have a lot of upvotes and a lot of downvotes.
